Rafale and FREMM for Egypt Before Xmas?

[Frogman]

Des Rafale et des frégates FREMM pour l'Egypte avant Noël ?

Michel Cabirol | 11/12/2014, 6:56 - 445 mots

Une délégation de très haut niveau d'une quinzaine de militaires égyptiens de l'armée de l'air et de la marine est arrivée mercredi à Paris pour discuter gros contrats avec les industriels français, notamment Dassault Aviation et du groupe naval DCNS.


Comme les fêtes de fin d'année arrivent, les industriels de l'armement ont aussi les yeux qui brillent. Et pour cause. Quinze jours environ après la visite à Paris du président Abdel Fattah al-Sissi, une délégation de très haut niveau d'une quinzaine de militaires égyptiens de l'armée de l'air et de la marine, est arrivée mercredi en France en vue de discuter gros contrats avec les industriels français, notamment Dassault Aviation et du groupe naval DCNS, selon des sources concordantes. Si tout se passe bien, la délégation égyptienne pourrait rester une dizaine de jours en France avec comme objectif de conclure avant de rentrer au Caire. A voir...

Et si l'Egypte était le premier client du Rafale, coiffant ainsi le Qatar et l'Inde sur le poteau. Pas impossible même s'il faut rester dans ce type de négociations prudent, très prudent. C'est indéniable le Rafale est à la mode mais il reste encore à Dassault Aviation à signer ce fameux premier contrat tant attendu. Une chose est sure Le Caire est diablement intéressé par le Rafale (entre 23 et 26 avions de combat, selon les sources interrogées). Pour signer ce contrat évalué à 3,6 milliards d'euros environ, les Égyptiens demanderaient à la France un crédit Coface pour tout ou partie du financement des avions de combat. Et certains évoquent un crédit Coface pour la moitié du contrat, l'un moitié serait prise en charge par les banques, qui il y a encore peu de temps étaient très réservées.

Le Caire veut deux frégates FREMM
Dans le domaine naval, l'Egypte ne veut pas une frégate multimissions FREMM fabriquées par DCNS mais deux, dont une anti-sous-marine très rapidement pour l'inauguration de l'élargissement du canal de Suez en 2015. La France est prête à fournir au Caire la frégate Normandie, la deuxième FREMM de lutte anti-sous-marine pourtant destinée à la Marine nationale et qui est en train d'effectuer les dernières mises au point de son système de combat. D'un montant d'environ 1,8 milliard d'euros hors armement, ces deux frégates seraient en quelque sorte les navires amiraux de la flotte égyptienne. Après le Maroc (1 exemplaire bradé), ce serait au tour de l'Égypte de s'offrir ce bijou technologique français.

Et les deux dernières corvettes Gowind (2.400 tonnes) que DCNS souhaite vendre au Caire pour 500 millions d'euros après un contrat de quatre corvettes signés cet été ? Les négociations sont un peu éclipsées par celles sur les FREMM. Toutefois, le groupe naval souhaite parvenir à ses fins sur le dossier des corvettes, qui seraient fabriquées à Lorient.

Google translation:-

Rafale and the FREMM frigates for Egypt before Christmas?

A delegation of high level of fifteen Egyptian military of the Air Force and Navy arrived in Paris on Wednesday to discuss major contracts with French companies, including Dassault Aviation and DCNS naval group.

As the end of year festivities arrive, the arms manufacturers also have their eyes shining. And for good reason. About a fortnight after the visit to Paris of President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, a delegation of high level of fifteen Egyptian military of the Air Force and Navy, arrived Wednesday in France for discuss major contracts with french companies, including Dassault Aviation and DCNS naval group, according to several sources. If all goes well, the Egyptian delegation could stay ten days in France with the aim of concluding before returning to Cairo. To see ...

And if Egypt was the first customer of the Rafale and styling Qatar and India over the bar. Not impossible even if we stay in this type of careful negotiations, very careful. It is undeniable the Rafale is fashionable but still Dassault Aviation to sign the famous first contract as expected. One thing is sure Cairo is devilishly interested in the Rafale (between 23 and 26 combat aircraft, according to sources interviewed). To sign this contract valued at 3.6 billion euros, Egyptians ask France a Coface credit for all or part of the financing of combat aircraft. And some suggest a Coface credit for half of the contract, one half would be supported by the banks, which there is still some time were very reserved.


Cairo wants two FREMM
In the naval field, Egypt does not FREMM multimission frigate built by DCNS, but two, one anti-submarine very quickly for the inauguration of the expansion of the Suez Canal in 2015. France is ready to provide in Cairo Normandy frigate, the second FREMM anti-submarine warfare yet for the Navy and is in the process of making the final preparations for its combat system. At a cost of about 1.8 billion euros excluding weaponry, these frigates are somehow the flagships of the Egyptian fleet. After Morocco (1 copy sold off), it would be the turn of Egypt to offer this French technological jewel.

And the last two corvettes Gowind (2,400 tons) than DCNS wants to sell in Cairo for 500 million euros after a four corvettes signed this summer? Negotiations are somewhat overshadowed by the FREMM. However, the naval group wants to achieve its goals on the corvettes of the file, which would be manufactured in Lorient.

Des Rafale et des frégates FREMM pour l'Egypte avant Noël ?

 

[sami_1]

Overpriced Deal

Prices advertised exaggerated and artistic possibilities are limited compared to the high cost of suspicion of corruption, financial putrid
Egypt needs more than a frigate Fremm identified 2-4
Sale of frigates at a price of 1.8 billion euros other than the price of weapons No. exaggerated any amount of 2250 million dollars for the two frigates other than the 300 million euros for the ammunition of missiles and torpedoes Any Price frigates Fremm equivalent price of 6 Corvette Gowind and lie insert gun prices in the sessions increase inflated prices prices of petroleum loves and I got to $ 60 a barrel pretext used by Europe to justify the high prices for example, explain things does the fact that amendments to the Fremm to Egypt or radical France pushed for pools cost of development and manufacture of 17 frigate amount of 6.5 billion euros any Price frigate fremm one not to exceed $ 478 million, while one frigate to Egypt, sold at 900 million euros in 1125 million dollars, which shows how the French looting in the frigate pricing will not France produces Fremm specifically to Egypt or special specifications, but they were originally planned production and planned to pay prices Does some Aware of how things are going and do not forget that the contract to develop the shipyard Egyptian ships in two phases ended up Do not use the pretext of some of that arsenal will be developed in order to produce or develop
This deal form reveal corruption foul odor reminiscent of the Al-Yamamah deals and all the corrupt deals, which are said to have political deals

Rafale

French propaganda insignificant by exaggerations about staying in the Rafale failed marketing at the global level, which even succeeded in India deal corruption



Rafale fighter fourth generation Ultimately not considered it against the fifth-generation fighter to fighter, not even classify it is superior to SU-35 which is priced at $ 75 million while the Rafale to Egypt Shopping at a price of $ 188 million per aircraft's like bananas states

Limited ammunition Rafale another problem Exocet day development modest level in front of the new Russian and Chinese ammunition series
The lack of a French anti-radiation missile

French AASM bombs amounts in prices which escapes from the acquisition Importers Global versus a large chain of Chinese, Russian and US bombs a much cheaper price

Mica, who stopped the same day development while rockets AIM-120 series and R-77 missiles and the development of the Chinese constantly unlike the prices are much least mica

Cost exaggerated in French ammunition and non-availability also significant quantities for reasons of Relating down French industrial capacity industrial French rule shrunk several times as a result of the departure of international customers for the French arms it, international French arms it Mirage 3 and Mirage 5 NO. 1400 aircraft to the Mirage F-1 sales of 700 aircraft to the Mirage 2000 sales 620 Rafale aircraft to zero export

It AMX30 export to several countries to a single customer AMX-56

It is 5000 VAB to zero for export VBCI

French ability to grant Trechaas weapons production have restricted and limited unlike the Chinese and the Russians, it is assembling Alphajet to most components of K-8E manufacturing except the engine other than the manufacture of 200 aircraft compared with 45 French Alphajet

French failure in the development of the engine for the Rafale over thirty years, while the Russians and the Americans did have developed their engines series while US and Russian interview engines evolved continuously The engine RD-33 phase of the 83KN to 90KN and now offers a version of RD-33MKM ability 95KN and after the French failure in the development of the engine 88 M over thirty -year-old announced that the plane possibilities of a good flat hood unhappy 75KN ability and he will be the development of ammunition with less weight

There is no international customers condom until this moment since 1992, France has failed to find a real customer
Emirates rejected and asked the highest potential for very French in the cost of development applications rejected them Emirates condom at the latest classified higher performance 10-15% of the F-15 Block 52 does not offset a technology even if economic and even some small grants
to silence the mouths against the deal worth $ 4.5 billion

Humor, which speaks to the fundamental structure of the foundation Egypt has the infrastructure of a bird Mirage-2000 therefore would not be pumping big money actually even Egyptian ِAirports infrastructure evolved continuously in part through US grants and part of the local engineering possibilities
Basic arming A structure in Egypt include weapons to Western example france and US and Russian air bases also we are not the first time we buy western weapon but We buy since more than 30 years


Deal corrupt privilege Why produced directly for the contract for the FC-31 manufactured with China Rafale will not be available soon after the success of Egypt against the schemes divide the Middle East, NATO will create clashes with Egypt So do not do any major development projects in Egypt
Egypt and become an example for countries that graduated from Western domination conflict with NATO inevitable is France, which always betrays moslem is the source of course confidence does not do you completed the deal also is expect under the will escalate against the Egyptian state, especially after the terror MB failure and start defeating terrorist groups in Libya threats will be confrontation Western inevitable against Egypt directly and without intermediaries such as the Brotherhood and other contractors the destruction of the homeland
And thus in that moment will be suspended delivery of contracted weapons by then we are in for non-Egyptian military defense system completes a critical situation


Everyone knows Disasters French weapons such as tanks AMX-30 with the Saudis and how it forced the Saudis to buy a maintenance center for the huge reconstruction AMX30 Tanks after French astronomer claims figures for the reconstruction of those tanks
As well as the role of the dirty france with Kuwait during the Gulf War II

However Iraq when secrets were taken to the French arms race to America during the second Gulf wars, and the third to neutralize

Even with Egypt to prevent the cut French weapons parts Gazelle in 2011


With what we are talking about friendship, France was against Egypt in 2013 and 30 June time financial Temptations Arabia French lick shoes made for arms deals, but whenever you become an inevitable confrontation between Egypt and Nato France will be the first of attacking Egypt militarily with the United States

So we are talking on the recipe corrupt par excellence with distinction and Egypt fEgypt does not fit absolutely no cost or price and conditions and technical specifications or no ability to secure the supply of ammunition, or even the cost of maintenance at affordable prices Vlmma accept a disaster such as Rafale
The french themselves lowered their demands several times from 300 to 240 and then to 180 fighter which France did not succeed in holding any deal with any country and even thousands of interested
Even Emirates is interested in F-35 jets and Rafale used only paper to negotiate and when I stumbled buy F-35 now they Order 25 additional F-16 Block 61 instead of the Rafale deal, why accept corrupt Shine French media in order to satisfy Holland

 

[Basel]

one question is Rafale better then Su-35S?

 

[he-man]

one question is Rafale better then Su-35S?

Yes,,by a good margin in EW.

 

[Basel]

Yes,,by a good margin in EW.

can you please compare both?

and how good FREMM is as compared to other same category ships available in the market?

 

[he-man]

can you please compare both?

and how good FREMM is as compared to other same category ships available in the market?

Need lot of time to compare,,damn

 

[Abingdonboy]

Yeah....this isn't going to happen. FREMM maybe but not the Rafale.

 

[he-man]

Yeah....this isn't going to happen. FREMM maybe but not the Rafale.

Who knows??

 

[Basel]

Need lot of time to compare,,damn

take all the time man, just do it.

you are the technical guy right.

 

[Gabriel92]

one question is Rafale better then Su-35S?

It depends on the armament used and also the training/professionalism of the pilots....
Why is french armament 'expensive' ?
Because this is quality.

 

[T-123456]

Why 1,8 billion euro's without the weapons,what is so special about the Fremm?

 

[Basel]

It depends on the armament used and also the training/professionalism of the pilots....
Why is french armament 'expensive' ?
Because this is quality.

But French equipment is more expensive then US one too, and US have better quality and tech then France, US can upgrade 30 year old F-16 to a level where it can eat Rafale and still sell is around $80 million, but France can do it with Mirage-2000s

While Block-40 F-16 were able to drop JDAMS, latest french jet Rafale got similar system late.

 

[flamer84]

Why 1,8 billion euro's without the weapons,what is so special about the Fremm?

I don't know from where he took that ridiculous amount.A FREMM costs around 600 million euros.

 

[Gabriel92]

I don't know from where he took that ridiculous amount.A FREMM costs around 600 million euros.

It will probably include maintenance,training etc...
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We should remember the contract between UAE and USA.... 25 F16s for $4-5 billion....

 

[Malik Alashter]

It's not quality it's labour and big margin fo profits. just think about it a french engeneer salary compared to Russians or Chinese.

processing a piece of metal in france it will cost three times the cost in the east countries.

I would say rafale better in electronics than the SU-25 no doubt. But the SU-still a hard opponent.