Racial Map of South Asia

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Also my family originated from mirpur (ajk) and we have fair skin and rarely any colored eyes in the family and our caste is bais rajput so are we of indic origin or iranic?

Rohail Hyatt -- Hes a Panjabi rajput

Hes indic ... not iranic..



maulana fazal ur rehman

Hes iranic- Pashtun

 

[Vishvamitra]

Also my family originated from mirpur (ajk) and we have fair skin and rarely any colored eyes in the family and our caste is bais rajput so are we of indic origin or iranic?

Rajputs are strongly Indic in North India. but as you said that you are from pahari region of North west Kashmir, you are a Dardic Rajput (like Dogra Rajputs of jammu) with heavy to minor Afghan(Iranic) Influence.

 

[PakistaniNawab]

Rohail Hyatt -- Hes a Panjabi rajput

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Thanks desert btw we are pahari not punjabi and I have noticed a lot of sindhi's and baloch's look very similar.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Rajputs are strongly Indic in North India. but as you said that you are from pahari region of North west Kashmir, you are a Dardic Rajput (like Dogra Rajputs of jammu) with heavy to minor Afghan(Iranic) Influence.

Lol.. daric rajput..

Here is NH winner Raja Aziz Bhatti... a Panjabi rajput from Gujrat-Gujranwala region

Here is another Panjabi Rajput

Major Shabbir Sharif Shaheed NH

 

[PakistaniNawab]

Rajputs are strongly Indic in North India. but as you said that you are from pahari region of North west Kashmir, you are a Dardic Rajput (like Dogra Rajputs of jammu) with heavy to minor Afghan(Iranic) Influence.

Yeah i know we are pahari but i didn't know what we are classed as and also my chachi friend is a hindko speaker but what are they classed as?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Thanks desert btw we are pahari not punjabi and I have noticed a lot of sindhi's and baloch's look very similar.

Same thing different accent... dialect.

Because sindh itself was ruled by Baloch dynasties for centuries.. there are sindhi baloch aswell.

 

[Vishvamitra]

Lol.. daric rajput..

Here is NH winner Raja Aziz Bhatti... a Panjabi rajput from Gujrat-Gujranwala region

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Here is another Panjabi Rajput

Major Shabbir Sharif Shaheed NH

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kahna kya chate ho bhai?

The Dards are an Indo-Aryan ethnic group found predominantly in northern Pakistan, north-west India, and eastern Afghanistan. They speak the Dardic languages, which belong to the Indo-Aryan family. The largest populations are in Gilgit–Baltistan and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan and in Kashmir, India. There are smaller populations in Ladakh, India and eastern Afghanistan.[1] The Kashmiri people are the largest group, with a population of over 5.5 million

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dards

Yeah i know we are pahari but i didn't know what we are classed as and also my chachi friend is a hindko speaker but what are they classed as?

sorry my friend, i dont know.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Yeah i know we are pahari but i didn't know what we are classed as and also my chachi friend is a hindko speaker but what are they classed as?

Muzafarabadi dialect is very similiar to hindko.

kahna kya chate ho bhai?

The Dards are an Indo-Aryan ethnic group found predominantly in northern Pakistan, north-west India, and eastern Afghanistan. They speak the Dardic languages, which belong to the Indo-Aryan family. The largest populations are in Gilgit–Baltistan and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan and in Kashmir, India. There are smaller populations in Ladakh, India and eastern Afghanistan.[1] The Kashmiri people are the largest group, with a population of over 5.5 million

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dards


sorry my friend, i dont know.

Dard people would be Sheen of Neelum and some from Gilgit Baltistan... Who are native to those regions...

A rajput of Azad Kashmir has more in common to a dogra rajput from jammu than dard people.


Also arent rajputs the same people... same ancestory settled in different regions?

 

[PakistaniNawab]

Muzafarabadi dialect is very similiar to hindko.



Dard people would be Sheen of Neelum and some from Gilgit Baltistan... Who are native to those regions...

A rajput of Azad Kashmir has more in common to a dogra rajput from jammu than dard people.


Also arent rajputs the same people... same ancestory settled in different regions?

Also Kalashis and Kohistanis.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Aren't brahui of dravidian ancestry and can you show makrani people photos.

Syed Hussain Shah

Hes a Makrani Baloch

 

[PakistaniNawab]

kahna kya chate ho bhai?

The Dards are an Indo-Aryan ethnic group found predominantly in northern Pakistan, north-west India, and eastern Afghanistan. They speak the Dardic languages, which belong to the Indo-Aryan family. The largest populations are in Gilgit–Baltistan and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan and in Kashmir, India. There are smaller populations in Ladakh, India and eastern Afghanistan.[1] The Kashmiri people are the largest group, with a population of over 5.5 million

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dards


sorry my friend, i dont know.

Its fine and i also wanted to know why are saraiki people labeled less than the north punjabis in your map even though the one's i have seen are light.

Syed Hussain Shah

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Hes a Makrani Baloch

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You can't tell he has black ancestry.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Its fine and i also wanted to know why are saraiki people labeled less than the north punjabis in your map even though the one's i have seen are light.


You can't tell he has black ancestry.

Because its maternal lineage... Baloch men + slave east afro women

Sheedis.. brought to Baluchistan coast as slaves and soldiers....

In service of Baloch Talpur Dynasty of Sindh as soldiers and generals:

The most legendary Afro General of Talpurs:

General Hosh Muhammad Sheedi

Marsoon Marsoon,Sindhna Daisun
(“We will die but won’t give Sindh [to others]“)


General Hosh Muhammad Sheedi or Hoshu Sheedi was a Supreme Commander of Sindh’s Talpur army, who fought with valor against the British in the Battle of Dabbo and laid down his life in defense of his country (1843).
Hoshu belonged to the African-descent Sheedi community of Sindh Pakistan. Before his death in the Battleground of Dubbo he called out the slogan in which was originally coined by Talpur in the Battle of Miani:



Marsoon Marsoon,Sindhna Daisun
(“We will die but won’t give Sindh [to others]“)

He died in 1843, and was buried in Dubee near Tando Jam Road, Hyderabad Pakistan.He is considered a Sindhi hero.


Source: https://defence.pk/threads/shaheed-general-hosh-muhammad-sheedi.403413/#ixzz4TF84pgqn

https://defence.pk/threads/shaheed-general-hosh-muhammad-sheedi.403413/

 

[Alpha BeeTee]

My Reserch :

and Map of Light skinned/Caucasoid people in South Asia by anthropologists. :

@WebMaster @Horus @waz @Kaptaan @save_ghenda and @DESERT FIGHTER
@Joe Shearer @Water Car Engineer @others...

please, this is not an AIT Thread, AMT is well known fact and large no of Greeks ,Kushan ,Muslims ,Persians ,Turkik,Huns, Sakas are also non Aryan groups who migrated to South Asia in Ancient times.

in my studies i notied to things.

1) Pakistan is majority of Caucasoid Nation (Iranic and Indic) and we can say that its an Homogeneous nation.(Genetically) while India is Mixed nation where people of Upper castes and Middle castes have Preserved blood of Vedic Indo-Aryans and Scythins+(Huns).

FYI,according to some studies, Punjab region have 3% to 15% Greek Blood !

2) people of North west Subcontinent are homeland of Caucasoid south Asians (Map #1) whiel in other regions only upper caste peole have genetic similarity with North West South Asians.

According to the second map..
Almost all of Pakistan's major cities i.e Rawalpindi,Islamabad,Lahore,Peshawar,Quetta lie in the region of fair skinned people.
But why exclude major cities of KSA from this region..
People from Makkah,Medina,Jeddah,Riyadh,Damaam are mostly fair and light skinned.

 

[Kabira]

hey guys, after visiting almost every Indian state multiple times and Studying Anthropology from very trusted and professional Sources i have created Racial Map of South Asia.

in this map i have divided South Asia in to two different Races. 1) Caucasoid and 2) non Caucasoid aka Dravidian,Munda,Austroloids etc etc.

for better understanding.

West Pakis are Irano Afghans while punjabis,sindhis are Indo-Aryan people.

so Irano Afghans, North Indid and gracile Indid (and some I/B with strong NI and GI Influence) are considered Caucasoid while rest are non Caucasoid along with Aadivais,Munda,Tribals,Austroloids etc etc.
for data of pakistan, my Pakistani friend Imran khan from Islamabad helped me in my Research

so here we go.

Map #1,

This map shows where Caucasoid are Majority. or regions where people with Caucasoid features are Majority.

West Pakistan, East Pakistan, North India are the main homeland of "Aryans" even today.

Map #2,

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in this detailed map i have marked percentage of people who have Caucasoid features or are part of "Caucasoid" Race.

KPK, Northern Punjab and Kashmirs have largest no of Caucasoid people in whole subcontinent. to me they all look same and have same indenticle culture. maybe because people of those regions have same Ancestors.

Himchalis, Jammuwalas, Ukwalas and Balouchis (Iranic, i know)are also Pale skinned but due Migrations, now Caucasoids are low in number. but they are almost same to former group. Pale to Light brown skin, tall, warlike people.

Southern Punjabis/Multanis, Kutcchis, Northan Rajastanis, Northan Saurastrians and Sindhis also have large no of Caucasoid people because of sea ports and it's ancient heritage of IVC. large no of these people have leventine, Arabic,Persian and Aryan blood in their veins. because of historical events and their's strategic location.

Rest of North India have minimum no of Caucosiod people reging from

40% in Nepal(pahari) Gujarat (above resions but those people live in historic and coastal areas) MP (very important Region of Vedic Aryans and center of Hindu learning in classical Times) to

25% in UP,Bihar (large no of people are Aadivais,Tribals,munda and mixed) Rajasthan and North+South Gujarat (Bhillistan and Tribals)

35% in Maharastra and konkan coast which is home of lighest vedic peole and arabs-persian-ntive mix.(only in port cities and maratha capitals)

jarkhand,and bengal are barely 15% because large no of people are heavily mixed with tribals (even some Brahmins and Rajputs !)

1% to 5% in south India for the people who are carrying Kshatriya Brahmin and muslim linege. i have no seen any full Caucasoid looking person in south india tho.

please share your views.

Edit : Thank you for positive Rating @Kaptaan

I will add that there is significant population of certain communities in Pakistan who are most likely similar to average central indian genetically just based on looks alone. Christians in Pakistan are overwhelming converts from these castes and also muslims but in later case not majority. They don't make vast majority of population but still significant, and these are found from Azad Kashmir to sindh or even beyond. Recently I've read there is christian population in FATA, they are most likely from same stock as in rest of Pakistan.

I came across this British era caste based census report of Jammu & Kashmir in other thread. You see chamar, chuhra, dom? I'm talking about these people. They are known as dalits by Indians but in Pakistan people just call them by their community name.

And also what Kaptaan said is pretty much spot on.

 

[Max]

Aren't brahui of dravidian ancestry and can you show makrani people photos.

They speak a dravidian language ... according to folk history... after Baloch migrated to present day Balochistan... they were living here.... and some Baloch tribes married brahui women .... hence ... they (brahuis) assimilated among those tribes... but other Baloch tribes remained pure..

@Kaptaan


Rajputs are indic not iranic..


They speak a dravidian language ... although due to assimilation.. they dont look dravidian.

Imam of our nearest mosque is Barhui but he looks like Gandalf