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RAB chief warns against trouble over Kashmir issue since this is an internal issue of India

Yea I agree with you there completely.
Unity has to come from inside. Let's be good Muslims in our daily lives first. By developing a good character/Akhlaq. By being honest. By obtaining knowledge. By keeping the country clean. And by protesting the wrong doings inside country first. Good discipline means good development. If we can do that and other Muslim countries do that too, we will naturally form a bond with them. And then this unity may genuinely help Muslims in the world. But here we are right now, can't even count to 10 but hoping to obtain PhD.

Many people will protest in the streets, then come back home and watch Indian serials and buy Indian motorbikes. If people independently stops buying Indian products, stops watching Indian movies or serials then Bangladesh wouldn't be so influenced by India. If Muslims start boycotting Indian products then India would be forced to rethink their position. But no just do some protest in streets, break some properties and block the roads. Sure that's gonna help their cause. Although I don't know whether they have a cause to begin with.
 
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As per Islam, taking bribe is wrong. Tell Mullahs to protest.
Taking bribe is wrong no doubt. And also the punishment of stealing is cutting hand. But there are some conditions. There are three types of justice system in Islam. one is hod aka hudud, one is kisas and one is tajir.

When you steal willingly then even if the property owner forgive you, hudud can't be abolished as stealing create fitna. And if you accidentally kill someone ( or in a conflict between people) then you will be punished under law named kisas , but if you pay the blood money to the victims own people or his dependants, then kisas can be stopped. But if the people of victim refuse blood money then kisas applies and you got teeth for teeth , head for head .

And rest of laws are related to tajir, means govt can interfere and can reduce punishment. Like if someone steal because he is extremely needy, no punishment will be fall on him, but state is responsible for his livelihood. If unmarried people do fornication, it may also fall under tajir ( not hudud) because it's the failure of society to not get them married.

But if married person commit adultery, it fall under hudud. These are just few examples I am not scholar, I just know little.

Don't see mullahs protest against rapes. Suddenly something related to Kashmir or Palestine, they become good Muslims.
And rape is such heinous crime and that seriously fall under hudud category. Even if victims forgive the rapist, still the rapist will be given the death penalty, and hudud can't be changed. Simply hudud applies for the haq of Allah aka haqqullah, kisas apply on haqqul ibad aka.haq of bandah, and tajir is completely on the hand of ruler.

However this really make very strong thing in life. There is no way to protest against such crime that fall under hudud. Because hudud mist be applied and rape is such thing as well as murder. But it demands concrete evidence. Unless rape is proven by either archaic system and now via modern scientific system, you can't even raise your voice as if there is a false case then you will be punished with 80 lash ( this 80 lash is also under hudud, so inevitable !) because of spreading fitna and giving bad name to the man if he is not really rapist.

Same goes for adultery, case is very serious here. You can't prove it without 4 witness, so if even you bring 4 witness you must make her husband or his wife believe and if the husband wife want justice you can do punish them with hudud , otherwise not! Because 4 witness could be false to harm the family.

But what if husband caught wife with another man and directly go to Islamic court? But can't prove her wife's adultery?

Simply husband can seek for a divorce on Islamic court. But no hudud penalty will apply on adulteress wife because husband failed to bring 4 adult male witness.

And also hudud must be applied under a Islamic ruler ( not Muslim ruler) , and since in Bangladesh we have no Islamic rule, so it's not possible for them to protest against every rape crime because as I said it must be proven and the punishment must fall under hudud category.

So hujurs ( not talking about rapist bastard fake hujurs as they are munafiq) can't protest until it's proven. However common folks protest always.

On the other hand unity of Muslim ummah is a direct and die hard order, so you are bound to protest any oppression of Muslims, specially by hostile non Muslim regime.

So there is nothing wrong if they move peacefully. You can't unjustify it by other acts. And also I have tried to explain with my limited knowledge.

How can a country with 90% Muslim population be one of the most corrupt country in the world?
It's also state affair and such crimes are punishable under Islamic rulers when it strictly proven. And also the Islamic govt must be free from any corruption. Is our govt Islamic or free from corruption? No so no voice raising. And also such acts will create anarchy or fitna, so.it must be avoided. And you can't raise voice against a Muslim ruler unless it directly prohibiting Muslims to perform prayer or other Islamic acts. So here raising voice will not be serving Islam.

The world is too hard and it's not so gullible as we think. If we think so, a country will end up being a Taliban type Afghanistan.

And also you can't unjustify their protest by imposing your theory of Islam that you have lack of understanding.

And also what you are demanding that clearly mean that unless they are not becoming 100% Muslim, you can't protest against anything. These thoughts are dangerous and tricky!
Unity has to come from inside. Let's be good Muslims in our daily lives first. By developing a good character/Akhlaq. By being honest. By obtaining knowledge. By keeping the country clean. And by protesting the wrong doings inside country first. Good discipline means good development. If we can do that and other Muslim countries do that too, we will naturally form a bond with them. And then this unity may genuinely help Muslims in the world. But here we are right now, can't even count to 10 but hoping to obtain PhD.

Many people will protest in the streets, then come back home and watch Indian serials and buy Indian motorbikes. If people independently stops buying Indian products, stops watching Indian movies or serials then Bangladesh wouldn't be so influenced by India. If Muslims start boycotting Indian products then India would be forced to rethink their position. But no just do some protest in streets, break some properties and block the roads. Sure that's gonna help their cause. Although I don't know whether they have a cause to begin with.
So this long post really make no sense. And also about unity, why you are giving decisions on behalf of them? If they feel that they are united and feel the pain of others, why it should be a problem until the protest remain peaceful?

Ps: read this article you will find some difference in Islamic justice. Can't give you full as its very complex and only scholars can give details. And also remember, Quran and sunnah is the primary source of Islamic law, and later came ijma and qyas. But not all can perform it.
http://www.erfan.ir/bengali/72318.html
 
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This guy will sell his mama to please Hindustan.
If this logic is right then East Pakistan was also an internal issue of Pakistan and Indians were aggressors when they interfered and Mukti Bahni and their supporters were traitors.
 
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As per Islam, taking bribe is wrong. Tell Mullahs to protest. Corruption is one of the most dire problem in BD. But don't see any protest against it. Don't see mullahs protest against rapes. Suddenly something related to Kashmir or Palestine, they become good Muslims. How can a country with 90% Muslim population be one of the most corrupt country in the world? Because Muslims here take and give bribe and doesn't bat an eye. But give them pork in their plate, suddenly they become true Muslims and chant Haraam. Selective blindness is destroying the country and also the Muslim world in general.

I guess that makes the protests halal. I would like to see how they force India to change their stance. Btw, what is the stance of our Arab masters in that matter?

You are deliberately muddying the waters. I have no idea why.

The topic of the thread is Muslim support in Bangladesh for oppression of Kashmiris by Indian Govt.

Not Muslim religious morality and halal/haram issue which has nothing to do with what Bangladeshi people generally believe about supporting Kashmiris in their independence struggle. Majority Bangladeshis (even those that believe in secular lifestyle) support Kashmiri Independence struggle and oppose Indian hegemony.


Other than a few fifth columnist Bangladeshi Hindus and false flaggers with Bangladeshi flags in PDF (most of us know who these are very well), no one in Bangladesh supports Indian govt. oppression against Kashmiri people, and they will let it be known, whether they show up in the streets or not to burn tires.

Position that Bangladeshi Govt. takes is a different matter altogether which has a lot to do with diplomacy.

Whether Indian Govt. gets the message or not (tradewise or business-wise), we have to let it be known in electronic media worldwide so people globally sit up and take notice about this injustice. That is our job as Muslims and as righteous global citizens.
 
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An excellent thoughtful response from Benazir.

Our govt should follow what Muslim majority UAE or Iran have said over this Kashmir issue.

Both of these countries have agreed that it's an internal matter of India and the ongoing problem should be solved through dialog.

I don't think any Iranian or Emirati has been tearing his vocal cord on the streets over this issue. Why r our mullahs so brainless. Our govt should closely monitor these mullahs.

Some of them may try to catch fish in muddy watter. Hence, Our security forces should be on their toes. If anyone try to destabilise our security situation they should be immediately put to their place.

WTF are you talking about? Are you out of your mind? The Indians are on a genocide course in Kashmir, AL or anybody else is never above the lives of Muslims or humanity for that matter.

It's Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.

Have you not seen BJP state ministers celebrating the possibility of taking Kashmiri wives, shooting protesters with live rounds, declining their historic right to a plebisicite on their joining with India? Is that not unethical already for you?

Are the Kashmiri people able to cross the border and take refuge in Pakistan? Genuine question.
 
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WTF are you talking about? Are you out of your mind? The Indians are on a genocide course in Kashmir, AL or anybody else is never above the lives of Muslims or humanity for that matter.

It's Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.

Why don't you guys all ask Neptune bhai to recite the Kalimah and Surat Al-Kafiroon....every kid over the age of twelve in Bangladesh knows this....

Unity has to come from inside. Let's be good Muslims in our daily lives first. By developing a good character/Akhlaq. By being honest. By obtaining knowledge. By keeping the country clean. And by protesting the wrong doings inside country first. Good discipline means good development. If we can do that and other Muslim countries do that too, we will naturally form a bond with them. And then this unity may genuinely help Muslims in the world. But here we are right now, can't even count to 10 but hoping to obtain PhD.

Many people will protest in the streets, then come back home and watch Indian serials and buy Indian motorbikes. If people independently stops buying Indian products, stops watching Indian movies or serials then Bangladesh wouldn't be so influenced by India. If Muslims start boycotting Indian products then India would be forced to rethink their position. But no just do some protest in streets, break some properties and block the roads. Sure that's gonna help their cause. Although I don't know whether they have a cause to begin with.

I am afraid none of the logic you displayed still justifies supporting Indian hegemony in Kashmir. We may all be bad Muslims and less than perfect morally, but that does not mean we stay silent or support Indian unjust action against Kashmiri Muslims. Logic-er ma bap bujhlam na.
 
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How many in Pakistan protested over Myanmar killing Rohingyas? We Bangladeshis have to protest everything being loyal dogs right? Palestinians get killed, we protest. Indian Muslims get killed we protest. India does something in Kashmir, we protest. Why have to be Bangladesh? What kind of protest is happening in UAE, or Saudi or Iran? Please tell me. If we are gonna be a dog, we will be treated like a dog. What is the duty of RAB chief? Is it to liberate Kashmir? Or is it to maintain law and order in BD? What can the protestors do? Other than blocking roads? We Bangladeshis have to care about unity among Muslims being a poor nation. Even though no one would care about us. They will call us Hindu or RSS and stuff like they did here. I wonder do they dare to say the same to UAE?

Why don't you guys all ask Neptune bhai to recite the Kalimah and Surat Al-Kafiroon....every kid over the age of twelve in Bangladesh knows this....

He is using logic like Pakistanis did not protest against the Rohingya genocide, 1971 genocide in Bengal and how the Arabs cucks are sucking Indian rooster on the Kashmiri issue. Since when Bengal looked up to these nations for morality and ethics? Did we not fight them because the oppressor must be fought? Did we not found our state on the principles of upholding humanity?

Let it be told emphatically, Bengal and it's citizens will always stand in solidarity with the plight of oppressed Muslims whether in Kashmir, Palestine or elsewhere! We will always stand on the side of the oppressed and freedom seeking people.
 
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It's also state affair and such crimes are punishable under Islamic rulers when it strictly proven. And also the Islamic govt must be free from any corruption. Is our govt Islamic or free from corruption?
I assume the people are Islamic. Then how can they take bribes? I mean so many of them? How can so many Muslims throw trash at streets? And then the same Muslims would be enraged to see pork in their plates.

I am not telling to protest against people. But it is obvious that Bangladesh is a corrupt country. Are mullahs not allowed to protest and raise awareness about it?
And also what you are demanding that clearly mean that unless they are not becoming 100% Muslim, you can't protest against anything. These thoughts are
I only mean that you will not have a good unity until people are true to what they are following. It is evident, isn't it? We put so much emphasis on ummah, we put so much emphasis on not eating pork. Do we put the same amount of emphasis on being honest? Do we put the same amount of emphasis on developing a good character? Do we put the same amount of emphasis on keeping things clean? Are they not part of Islam? Present situation of Muslim world is because of this misplaced priorities.
On the other hand unity of Muslim ummah is a direct and die hard order, so you are bound to protest any oppression of Muslims, specially by hostile non Muslim regime.
Firstly, what are good Muslims, i.e. Arabs doing about it?

Secondly there are many ways to protest. shouting in the streets is the worst way of doing that. Stop buying Indian products is a better way. The same protesters who protest here will buy bajaj motorbike over Walton. Will watch Hindi movies and serials in place of Bangla natoks. Are they protestors or enablers? India would be forced to rethink their position if ME boycotts their products. If ME kicks out all the Indians. But will they do it?
 
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@Mage,

Bhai let me tell you something.

Indians and their agents can try for eons to loosen the moral fabric of Bangladeshi Muslims by reciting stories and implore them "Mod khabi? Mod kha" (drink alcohol). But the iman of most Muslims are quite strong, even more so in a country like Bangladesh. Although young people aren't really all that religious, most people over thirty more or less are.

So I believe Indians should give up their futile effort trying to secularize Bangladeshi Muslims.

Bangladeshis will always support Muslims, especially in a place like Kashmir. Heck they even stand up for oppression against indigenous tribals and minorities.

And Bangladeshis will always choose to support their own Muslim brothers and country against some foreign country like India.

Choosing cheap Indian items for price reasons is a separate matter.
 
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I am afraid none of the logic you displayed still justifies supporting Indian hegemony in Kashmir. We may all be bad Muslims and less than perfect morally, but that does not mean we stay silent or support Indian unjust action against Kashmiri Muslims. Logic-er ma bap bujhlam na.
Protest korle age Indian jinish kina bad den

Eita hoilo uttom protest. Bangladesh e rasta block kore kono kisu hobe na.
 
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@Mage,

Bhai let me tell you something.

Indians and their agents can try for eons to loosen the moral fabric of Bangladeshi Muslims by reciting stories and implore them "Mod khabi? Mod kha" (drink alcohol). But the iman of most Muslims are quite strong, even more so in a country like Bangladesh. Although young people aren't really all that religious, most people over thirty more or less are.

So I believe Indians should give up their futile effort trying to secularize Bangladeshi Muslims.

Bangladeshis will always support Muslims, especially in a place like Kashmir. Heck they even stand up for oppression against indigenous tribals and minorities.

And Bangladeshis will always choose to support their own Muslim brothers and country against some foreign country like India.

Choosing cheap Indian items for price reasons is a separate matter.

A Muslim can only ever be secularized superficially. Whenever shit hits the fan, they always take refuge under the flag of Islam. A glaring example is Turkey. Decades of ultra secularism, then one religious man becomes president and the whole country follows like sheep. This will be the case of BD too. Through some mechanism (which I don't know of at this stage) democracy must be returned to BD. And may I sound misogynist but I really literally want a leader now with a hairy sack containing a pair of balls. Enough of trashy female leadership.

Protest korle age Indian jinish kina bad den

Eita hoilo uttom protest. Bangladesh e rasta block kore kono kisu hobe na.

Product boycott has nothing to do with protest, it's a losers way.

I agree roads should not be blocked in protest as it will not bear any fruits. People are neither wanting that, people want to see this fvcking unelected illegitimate government to take a stance other than saying it's internal matter of India when a genocide and mass brutalities are being carried out.
 
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I assume the people are Islamic. Then how can they take bribes?
Did I say that they take bribe ? I said that our country is infested with bribe culture !
I am not telling to protest against people. But it is obvious that Bangladesh is a corrupt country. Are mullahs not allowed to protest and raise awareness about it?
They are allowed to protest . But govt will take it as protest against govt and then there will be clash . So in order to avoid fitna , they remain silent . They will be labelled as jamat but they are opposite to jamat .
Firstly, what are good Muslims, i.e. Arabs doing about it?

This theory of good Muslim is not mine , but yours. islam does not support any tribalism . So that's not true that an Arab is by default a better Muslim .
 
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Protest korle age Indian jinish kina bad den

Eita hoilo uttom protest. Bangladesh e rasta block kore kono kisu hobe na.

That I started many. many years ago. You guys by now should know my position on quality of Indian goods, even those simply 're-packaged' by Banya Indian dhokeybaaj businessmen in Bangladesh itself. Women in my family have been 'convinced' not to buy Indian designer clothes.
 
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Protest korle age Indian jinish kina bad den
It can not be a logic . If we are buying Indian goods, we are buying with our money . This is business . We are with Palestine , and westerns have blind support for Israel . So shall we stop buying goods from these country ?

Your logic is look like that , if you buy Indian goods , you can not criticize India ! Although your logic seems like boycotting Indian good , but the reality is such logic is actually serving Indian purpose ( unconsciously I guess; as you are patriot Bangladeshi I believe ) . Indians also say like this that , if you dislike India why come to visit us or take treatment ?

Again if we are buying their goods , we are buying with our own hard earning money . They are not giving us gift !
 
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