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Questions to ask your pro-Israeli friends

some of (if not all) my Indian friends find it compelling to support and justify Israeli bombing of Gaza because we are supporting the Palestinians.

but the Europeans are not inflicted by such obsession and its surprising how many of them are openly showing their distaste and revulsion towards Israeli excesses although many of them keep quiet or support Israel just for being PC and not be labelled antisemitic
Brother I am not sure if you are aware of a disease in the West...You try to side with the truth you are labelled everything from a sexist to anti semitic! :blink: Truth is buried under a whole array of crappy titles and then they decorate it with what they call freedom of speech and what not :blink:

Again, every Empire in human history at its zenith thinks of itself in those terms. Just what is civilization?
Uncle get new glasses...I said considers themselves civilized ...Civilization also existed during the Sumerian times for the Tigris river Egyptian times for the Nile river, Indus valley civilization and other forms existed way before the word civilized was extensively used in WW :cheesy:
 
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.I said considers themselves civilized ...Civilization also existed during the Sumerian times for the Tigris river Egyptian times for the Nile river, Indus valley civilization and other forms existed way before the word civilized was extensively used in WW

Yes, I read that. Every great Empire has called itself civilized, while doing exactly what every Empire has done throughout history. Nothing new here, either.
 
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Existence of Israel is very important for the world. They have good contribution in Research & technology and medicine field, also other inventions while Palestine is only investing in tunnels and rockets. Israel have right to defend their land while they should avoid civilian killing. Hamas was becoming stronger and dangerous for Peace in middle east. Palestine should disable or handover all rockets to Israel and live with peace.
 
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and you are doing the same, and you dont want them to retaliate?
No. Hamas deliberately targeting civilians. We retaliate against terrorists who hide among their civilians.

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We dont fire indiscriminate rockets unlike Hamas. We dont even return artillery fire at sources of fire as any other country would do.

@Syed.Ali.Haider and someone else summarized it:
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Israel territory = 20.8 K km2
US territory = 9,827 K km2 or 427 times more.

That means 3,500 rockets fired on Israeli towns would equal to 1.5 million rockets fired on USA towns.

Now ask the Japanese what happened to them when they attacked just one US military base.
 
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Israel territory = 20.8 K km2
US territory = 9,827 K km2 or 427 times more.
That means 3,500 rockets fired on Israeli towns would equal to 1.5 million rockets fired on USA towns.
Now ask the Japanese what happened to them when they attacked just one US military base.
Did you just include the occupied Palestinian territories too? :blink:

We dont fire indiscriminate rockets unlike Hamas. We dont even return artillery fire at sources of fire as any other country would do.
No you just fart and murder children....sell that to the Indians they believe you! :agree:

@500 keep your scholarship man paint it with Children's blood and lies you tell yourselves but dont ever wake up...But truth will always prevail and we see your treatment to others ...What is surprising is when you treat others badly I am not sure under what drug do you expect to be treated like a prince?!

Breaking the Silence › Israeli soldiers talk about the occupied territories

As an ex-soldier in the Israeli Defense Forces, I've seen how shockingly we treat Palestinians

As an ex-soldier in the Israeli Defense Forces, I've seen how shockingly we treat Palestinians - Comment - Voices - The Independent


Israel-Gaza conflict: Ex-soldiers reveal the pressure they are put under by their superiors - and question the IDF’s commitment to leaving the unarmed unharmed

Israel-Gaza conflict: Ex-soldiers reveal the pressure they are put under by their superiors - and question the IDF’s commitment to leaving the unarmed unharmed - Middle East - World - The Independent
 
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We dont fire indiscriminate rockets unlike Hamas. We dont even return artillery fire at sources of fire as any other country would do.

Lets expose your lies shall we?


When I served, the Israeli military was the most moral in the world. No more

Once there was widespread Israeli outrage over the bombing of homes in Gaza. Now there is just indifference

In July 2002 the Israeli air force dropped a one-tonne bomb on the home of Salah Shehadeh, the head of the military wing of Hamas, in Gaza. You don’t have to be an expert in air combat to imagine what’s left of a home hit by a one-tonne bomb. Not much. That bomb killed not only Shehadeh, but also 14 civilians, including eight children.

At that time I served as an operations officer in the Israeli air force. Like many of my friends, I found myself carrying the burden of immense responsibility at the ripe age of 20. I was responsible for relaying commands and intelligence from headquarters to pilots, preparing aircraft for operations and providing support to pilots throughout.

After the assassination, Israel shook. Even when the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) insisted that there was operational justification for the attack, public sentiment could not accommodate this assault on innocent civilians. Israeli intellectuals petitioned the supreme court, demanding it examine the legality of this action. A few months later a group of reservist pilots criticised such elimination actions.

As soldiers and officers used to carrying out our missions without asking unnecessary questions, we were affected by the public reaction. But Dan Halutz, air force commander at the time, told pilots: “Sleep well at night. Don’t pay any notice of the criticism.” One month later Halutz, asked what a pilot feels when launching a one-tonne bomb on a home, said: “A slight jolt of the jet’s wing.” To outsiders this statement sounded cold and detached, but my friends and I trusted our commanders to make the right moral decisions, and returned our focus to the “important things” – the precise execution of further operations.

A few months later I was made commander of a course for air force officers. I taught cadets how to take responsibility for their actions as officers. We studied the lessons of previous air force operations. I taught them that the IDF is the most moral army in the world, and that the air force is the most moral corps within the IDF.

I believed with all my heart that we were doing what needed to be done. If there were casualties, they were a necessary evil. If there were mistakes, they would be investigated.

Things have changed, and now I can no longer have that certainty. In 2002 the dropping of a one-tonne bomb on a home resulting in civilian deaths was the exception. The IDF eventually acknowledged that the assault on Shehadeh’s house had been wrong. They deemed it a failure in intelligence and said that, had they known there were civilians in the home, they would not have carried out the operation.

Seven years later, during Operation Cast Lead, there was widespread dropping of bombs over densely populated areas in the Gaza Strip. Today, in Operation Protective Edge, the air force boasts of having released over 100 one-tonne bombs on Gaza. What was once the exception is now the policy.

This is how it goes today. We notify the inhabitant about the imminent destruction of a house minutes before a bomb drops (via text messages, or by dropping a smaller bomb on the house as a warning). That is enough to turn it into a legitimate target for an air strike. In the past two weeks dozens of civilians have been killed in such strikes.

Homes of Hamas members have become legitimate targets, regardless of the number of people within their walls. Unlike in 2002, no one bothers to justify or make excuses.

What’s worse is that almost no one protests. Entire families are erased in a second, and the Israeli public remains indifferent. From year to year, from one military operation to another, our moral red lines are stretching further away. Where will they be in the next operation? Where will they be 10 years from now?

I know how hard it is to ask questions during times of conflict as a soldier. The information that the officers get in real time is always partial. That’s why the responsibility for drawing the red lines, and alerting when we cross it, lies with the public. A clear, loud voice that says that bombing a house with civilians in it is immoral must be heard. These killings cannot be accepted without question. Public silence in the face of such actions – inside and outside of Israel – is consent by default, and acceptance of an unacceptable price.

When I served, the Israeli military was the most moral in the world. No more | Yuli Novak | Comment is free | The Guardian


@Syed.Ali.Haider I guess you have your answer as to why soo many protests?!
 
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Protest all you want, for it is a right. What you actually achieve by such protests is more important, but that is just me.
Uncle when a robber comes to you do you give him what he wants? Do you also give him what he didnt ask for and further reveal hidden valuables, take him toe ATM and withdraw money for him? or better give him all your cards and right down their pin codes? or do you just sob in a corner or go to the police station to register? Well, what if the police doesnt take down your complain? What do you do next? :pop:
 
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when a robber comes to you do you give him what he wants? Do you also give him what he didnt ask for and further reveal hidden valuables, take him toe ATM and withdraw money for him? or better give him all your cards and right down their pin codes? or do you just sob in a corner or go to the police station to register? Well, what if the police doesnt take down your complain? What do you do next?

Another pointless and irrelevant analogy appealing to juvenile emotionalism with no real logic or effect.
 
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Another pointless and irrelevant analogy appealing to juvenile emotionalism with no real logic or effect.
How is it not logical? It was an analogy of something that is happening...People getting robbed of their rights and someone demanding them to stay shut and empty more than just their pockets!

Besides @Syed.Ali.Haider Logic is not what you please to see....And it definitely is not what agrees with you...
 
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How is it not logical? It was an analogy of something that is happening...People getting robbed of their rights and someone demanding them to stay shut and empty more than just their pockets!

Nothing like that is happening in the context of this thread. What do you think would have happened if any one of the main parties in the subcontinent had not accepted the British partition of United India and decided to wage war, and then lost?

Besides @Syed.Ali.Haider Logic is not what you please to see....And it definitely is not what agrees with you...

On the contrary, my positions are eminently logical and emotionless, going only by the merit of the argument.
 
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Nothing like that is happening in the context of this thread. What do you think would have happened if any one of the main parties in the subcontinent had not accepted the British partition of United India and decided to wage war, and then lost?
Partitioning is not even the argument...but the pieces left hanging like how Britain forgot to include the Arabs already residing in Palestine when they decided to hand the country over to Israel...Or how Bangladesh which was miles away with a whole India in the middle told it was for Pakistan and how Kashmir issue was left hanging....

It is these hangings I am pointing out and how much damage it has caused and is still causing!

As for my analogy it was for those who keep saying that Palestine should go to the courts or maybe Palestine should accept their fate without a voice for themselves.....Its like you got robbed and the police ignored your case altogether and when you protest about the corrupt system you are punished and labelled a rebel (anti Semitic)


On the contrary, my positions are eminently logical and emotionless, going only by the merit of the argument.
Are you sure? :pop:
 
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Partitioning is not even the argument...but the pieces left hanging like how Britain forgot to include the Arabs already residing in Palestine when they decided to hand the country over to Israel...Or how Bangladesh which was miles away with a whole India in the middle told it was for Pakistan and how Kashmir issue was left hanging....
It is these hangings I am pointing out and how much damage it has caused and is still causing!
As for my analogy it was for those who keep saying that Palestine should go to the courts or maybe Palestine should accept their fate without a voice for themselves.....Its like you got robbed and the police ignored your case altogether and when you protest about the corrupt system you are punished and labelled a rebel (anti Semitic)

Partitioning whole regions is never going to leave all the people satisfied. Look at how unfair the boundaries were drawn for Pakistan, yet Jinnah accepted it given the circumstances. It is how the leaders chose to deal with these issues is what makes for peace or not. Jinnah chose peace. The Arab leaders did not, and their people are paying the price for their folly.

So what happens now? Either the same old attacks and counter-attacks continue with a stalemate, or both sides come to their senses and move forward, logically.
 
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