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When I look at the population of Hindus in South Asia today, I sometimes wonder how they lived under the Mughal and the past empires for centuries.

I thought Muslims, Christians and Jews (People of the Book) were only accepted under Muslim rule and worshiping anything other than God were not tolerated. Yet, today there are one billion Hindus in South Asia.

How and were they accepted in their society?
 
When I look at the population of Hindus in South Asia today, I sometimes wonder how they lived under the Mughal and the past empires for centuries.

I thought Muslims, Christians and Jews (People of the Book) were only accepted under Muslim rule and worshiping anything other than God were not tolerated. Yet, there are one billion Hindus in South Asia today. How come?

Because everyone was tolerated, provided they paid their taxes and obeyed the rules. Same applied for Muslims, only difference is rulers went a little harder on the non Muslims.
 
I thought Muslims, Christians and Jews (People of the Book) were only accepted under Muslim rule and worshiping anything other than God were not tolerated.
The earliest Muslim Arab invaders under Muhammad bin Qasim, who conquered Sind and Multan in 711 AD, are the best representatives of Islam among all Muslim rulers of India as only 80 years had passed since death of prophet Muhammad. The Arabs established themselves in large towns of Sind, which were also military cantonments, but civil administration was left largely in the hands of the local chiefs, only a few of whom had accepted Islam. The administrative arrangements which Muhammad ibn Qasim made with the non-Muslims after his victory over Dahar are often referred to as "the Brahmanabad settlement." The basic principle was to treat the Hindus as "the people of the book," and to confer on them the status of the zimmis (the protected). In those years the fiqas had decreed that zimmis could not repair their places of worship , although existing ones were allowed to stand. The question of repairing a damaged temple in Sind came up before Muhammad bin Qasim, who referred the matter to Hajjaj. The latter, having consulted the 'ulama of Damascus, not only granted the permission asked for, but declared that so long as non-Muslims paid their dues to the state they were free to live in whatever manner they liked. "It appears," Hajjaj wrote, "that the chief inhabitants of Brahmanabad had petitioned to be allowed to repair the temple of Budh and pursue their religion. As they have made submission, and have agreed to pay taxes to the Khalifa, nothing more can properly be required from them. They have been taken under our protection, and we cannot in any way stretch out our hands upon their lives or property. Permission is given them to worship their gods. Nobody must be forbidden and prevented from following his own religion. They may live in their houses in whatever manner they like. According to one early Muslim historian, the Arab conqueror countenanced even the privileged position of the Brahmans, not only in religious matters, but also in the administrative sphere. "Muhammad ibn Qasim maintained their dignity and passed orders confirming their pre-eminence. They were protected against opposition and violence." Even the 3 percent share of government revenue which they had received during the ascendancy of the Brahman rulers of Sind, was conceded to them. (see http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00islamlinks/ikram/part1_01.html#administration)
 
When I look at the population of Hindus in South Asia today, I sometimes wonder how they lived under the Mughal and the past empires for centuries.

I thought Muslims, Christians and Jews (People of the Book) were only accepted under Muslim rule and worshiping anything other than God were not tolerated. Yet, today there are one billion Hindus in South Asia.

How and were they accepted in their society?
The Mughals had to rely on smaller kingdoms who accepted Mughal suzerainty and many of those smaller kings were Hindus. Also, Akbar would have been considered a heretic today considering he followed his own religion called Deen-e-Elahi - faith of the enlightened. Additionally, many top generals in the Mughal Empire were Hindu Rajputs. The rot started after Aurangzeb.
 
When I look at the population of Hindus in South Asia today, I sometimes wonder how they lived under the Mughal and the past empires for centuries.

I thought Muslims, Christians and Jews (People of the Book) were only accepted under Muslim rule and worshiping anything other than God were not tolerated. Yet, today there are one billion Hindus in South Asia.

How and were they accepted in their society?

It wasn't strictly a communal game

Mughals relied on loyalty of local rulers. A lot of them were Hindus.
Mughals expended a lot of blood in wars of succession
Mughals fought other Muslim kings - Shah of Persia, Deccan Sultans
 
proud to be a Turk !

you can say that Turks follow their religions zealously and they went little too hard on hindus at the time of Great Aurangzeb Alamgir but at most of time they were largely Tolerant to the all kind of people, Muslims and non muslims.

my great Grandfather yoused to tell me stories of how my Huna Turk ancestors were treated with Respect by Mughal military officers despite following different Religion. :)
 
When I look at the population of Hindus in South Asia today, I sometimes wonder how they lived under the Mughal and the past empires for centuries.

I thought Muslims, Christians and Jews (People of the Book) were only accepted under Muslim rule and worshiping anything other than God were not tolerated. Yet, today there are one billion Hindus in South Asia.

How and were they accepted in their society?

Many Hindus did convert due to persecution by the Islamic invaders. There are 60 Millions Muslims in Subcontinent compared to 80 Million Hindus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Hindus

1) Persecution of non-Muslims using money as a weapon - Imposing jizya and higher duties on non-Muslims. This would have compelled non-Muslims to covert to Islam to avoid losing their hard earned money

2) Destruction of temples, looting the treasures from the temples and building Mosques in their places - This meant the priests and administrators of these temples would have lost their money & jobs unless they converted to Islam and start preaching Islam instead at the same location. The Hindu devotees who were emotionally attached to those priests and administration would have also covered to Islam to support their families and community at large. This may have given birth of Sufism in the subcontinent.

3) Every time a non-Islamic ruler lost, the royal women were married by the new Islamic rulers and their children became slaves, had the women and Children not already committed suicide (Jauhar). The non-Islamic generals and administration also would have got replaced by the Islamic ones. This again meant losing their jobs. So many would have converted to Islam to avoid losing their jobs.

Obviously not everyone gave up the fight against all these types of persecution. In fact many did not give up to these types of threats, pressures and persecutions and that is the reason why Hinduism still survives in India while the native religions just disappeared into thin air in regions like Iran, Afghanistan, Malaysia, Indonesia etc.

Now the subcontinent Muslims have hard time accepting this fact as accepting this would mean that their forefathers were weaker and they did not stand & fight along side with the forefathers of current day Hindus. Hence, the easier route would be to

1) Malign Hinduism to show that the conversion of their forefathers was not due to their weakness but due to their persecution under Hinduism. Now this reasoning falls flat for few reasons
a) The people who got converted to Islam in the regions of Pakistan & Afghanistan were not Hindus but rather Buddhists. Buddhism completely did away with caste system.
b) Most of the Hindus who got converted were Kshatriya, Brahman and Viasyas which meant they did not convert due to any persecution in Hinduism. Only Sudras who converted to Islam could claim this. Are Pakistanis willing to accept that most of their forefathers were Sudras? Certainly not! if reading the posts on PDF where people keep claiming about their manly physique & fairness of their skin and how they are superior to the dark, black and short Indian Hindus.

2) The alternate route is to claim that they are decedents of Arabs or Turks.This would mean they can steer clear of anyone questioning why their forefathers had to convert to Islam and avoid giving any justification. Genetics and DNA results be damned..

proud to be a Turk !

you can say that Turks follow their religions zealously and they went little too hard on hindus at the time of Great Aurangzeb Alamgir but at most of time they were largely Tolerant to the all kind of people, Muslims and non muslims.

my great Grandfather yoused to tell me stories of how my Huna Turk ancestors were treated with Respect by Mughal military officers despite following different Religion. :)

There is nothing to be proud of being a Turk in Subcontinent.

Towards the end of the fourteenth century, the Delhi Sultanate, once a powerful state,
entered a period of decline. Following the death of Sultan F¯ır¯uz Sh¯ah Tughluq (1351–88),
the heirs of the house of Tughluq battled successively for the throne. In 1394 N¯asir al-D¯ın
Mahm¯ud was put on the throne by one of the noble factions, but his real power extended
no further than the district round the capital and some adjacent regions (see above, Chapter
14, Part Two). Timur’s Indian campaign was heralded by the appearance under the walls of
Multan of the forces commanded by his grandson, P¯ır Muhammad, who overran and looted
this wealthy city. In September 1398 Timur himself crossed the Indus. Reducing towns and
fortresses to ‘heaps of ashes and debris’ as they went, his forces headed for the capital,
Delhi. Before the decisive battle on the banks of the Jumna (17 December 1398), Timur
ordered the execution of all prisoners held by his armies – the sources speak of 100,000
captives – fearing that they would side with the Sultan of Delhi during the fighting.
The battle for Delhi was bloody: ‘The battlefield was piled high with mountains of
dead and wounded . . . blood flowed in streams.’32 Sultan N¯asir al-D¯ın Mahm¯ud fled to
Gujarat. On 18 December the khutba was read out in the mosques of Delhi, mentioning P¯ır
Muhammad by name. The inhabitants of the city resisted the intruders, who were looting
and pillaging, seizing prisoners and killing: ‘Hindu heads were piled as high as they could
go and their bodies became food for wild animals and birds.’ It took several days to escort
the captives out of the city; among them were several thousand master craftsmen, including
stonemasons whom Timur intended to use for the construction of mosques in Samarkand.
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On 1 January 1399 the warriors began to leave the city. They overwhelmed and pillaged
several further provinces and towns in north-western India, including Mirath (Meerut) and
Kangra. Timur recrossed the Indus in March 1399 and had soon left India behind. As
his vicegerent over Multan, Lahore and Dipalpur he appointed Khidr Khan Sayyid, who
mounted the throne in ruined Delhi in 1414 and founded the short-lived Sayyid dynasty.

http://en.unesco.org/silkroad/sites...ol_IVa silk road_central asia under timur.pdf


Timur invasion of India (1398-1399 AD)[edit]
Main article: Timur
The Turko-Mongol ruler Timur's attack of India was marked by systematic slaughter and other atrocities on a truly massive scale inflicted mainly on the subcontinent's Hindu population.[55] Leaving the Muslim populated areas aside, his army looted rest of the habits. The Hindu population was massacred or enslaved.[56] One hundred thousand Hindus prisoners were killed before he attacked Delhi and many more were killed afterwards.[57][58]

During the Timurid conquests of India, Haryana was the site of countless of appalling massacres, Timur's force of 90,000 soldiers each killed 50 to 100 Hindu men, women and children in Haryana, such atrocities include the be-headings of most of the enslaved Indian women after they were used for grinding, cooking and raping by Timur's soldiers before marching onward, causing a massive depopulation of the region.[59]

According to Habib and Raychaudhuri, when "Timur invaded India in 1398-99, collection of slaves formed an important object for his army; 100,000 Hindu slaves had been seized by his soldiers and camp followers".
[60]

(Timur's) soldiers grew more eager for plunder and destruction. On that Friday night there were about 15,000 men in the city who were engaged from early eve till morning in plundering and burning the houses. In many places the impure infidel gabrs (of Delhi) made resistance. (...) Every soldier obtained more than twenty persons as slaves, and some brought as many as fifty or a hundred men, women and children as slaves of the city. The other plunder and spoils were immense, gems and jewels of all sorts, rubies, diamonds, stuffs and fabrics, vases and vessels of gold and silver. (...) On the 19th of the month Old Delhi was thought of, for many Hindus had fled thither. Amir Shah Malik and Ali Sultan Tawachi, with 500 trusty men, proceeded against them, and falling upon them with the sword despatched them to hell.
– Sharafuddin Yazdi, Zafarnama (ظفرنامه)[61]


http://www.historytoday.com/richard-cavendish/death-tamerlane


Tamerlane, or Timur, one of history's most brutal butchers, died on February 18th, 1405.



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Tamerlane's tomb
In January the Scourge of God caught a cold. One of history’s most brutal butchers, now perhaps in his seventies, had set out with an army 200,000 strong from Samarqand, his capital, to try conclusions with the Chinese Empire, 3,000 miles away. It was a freezing cold winter, with the country deep in snow and the rivers frozen solid, and the army halted at Otrar in what is now Kazakhstan. The doctors’ efforts to cure their master, which included packing him in ice as the cold turned to fever, failed and it became clear that he was dying. Eventually, surrounded by his women and senior commanders, in a weak, almost inaudible voice he made an eloquent speech, telling them not to weep or run about madly tearing their clothes but to pray to God to have mercy on him.

He died at about eight o’clock in the evening, while icy winds howled round the palace and the tents of his army outside. The Chinese expedition was abandoned and the body was taken back to Samarqand to be interred beneath the dome of the Gur Amir mausoleum in a steel coffin under a slab of black jade six feet long, which was then the largest piece of the stone in the world. An inscription records: ‘This is the resting place of the illustrious and merciful monarch, the most great Sultan, the most mighty warrior, Lord Timur, Conqueror of the World.’

In Europe the name Timur iLeng, Timur the Lame, became Tamerlane or Tamburlaine. Lame he was, mighty he was, merciful he was not. As his latest biographer Justin Marozzi says, the millions he slaughtered – ‘buried alive, cemented into walls, massacred on the battlefield, sliced in two at the waist, trampled to death by horses, beheaded, hanged’ – would have had a different opinion. Of Mongol ancestry from what is now Uzbekistan, he began as a sheep-rustler and bandit, and was injured in a skirmish which left him lame in his right leg and unable to raise his right arm. In 1941 his tomb was opened by a Soviet archaeologist, Mikhail Gerasimov, who confirmed the injuries.

Building up a force of several hundred horsemen, Timur took service under an invading Mongol chieftain, seized Samarqand, took a wife descended from Genghis Khan and went on to an astonishing career of conquest until he ruled from Damascus to Delhi. Efficiently organised armies under his horse-tail standard covered immense distances. He destroyed the Golden Horde, conquered Persia and Mesopotamia, invaded Russia, Georgia, India, Syria and Turkey. Thousands of women were carried off as slaves. At Baghdad he had 90,000 of the inhabitants beheaded so that he could build towers with their skulls. At Sivas in Turkey, where he promised no bloodshed in return for surrender, he had 3,000 prisoners buried alive and pointed out that he had kept to the letter of his oath. His atrocities were intended to strike terror into the hearts of opponents, and cities which surrendered promptly were sometimes spared a sack. He was a Muslim and he justified his campaigns against Christians and Hindus as spreading the true faith, while when he attacked and slaughtered fellow-Muslims, as he very frequently did, they were always described as ‘bad Muslims’. Timur was a patron of art and learning and he turned Samarqand into an exquisitely beautiful city. His empire, which was never more than the expression of his personal dominance, did not survive his death.
 
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proud to be a Turk !

you can say that Turks follow their religions zealously and they went little too hard on hindus at the time of Great Aurangzeb Alamgir but at most of time they were largely Tolerant to the all kind of people, Muslims and non muslims.

my great Grandfather yoused to tell me stories of how my Huna Turk ancestors were treated with Respect by Mughal military officers despite following different Religion. :)
Turks are line of mongols
 
The Mughals had to rely on smaller kingdoms who accepted Mughal suzerainty and many of those smaller kings were Hindus. Also, Akbar would have been considered a heretic today considering he followed his own religion called Deen-e-Elahi - faith of the enlightened. Additionally, many top generals in the Mughal Empire were Hindu Rajputs. The rot started after Aurangzeb.

Akbar was no saint.



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Reference:

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https://books.google.co.in/books?id=8Zp_5IydPGgC&pg=PP1&lpg=PP1&focus=viewport

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Reference:

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https://books.google.co.in/books?id=NezwY5D4qa0C&pg=PA538&lpg#v=onepage&q&f=false
 
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No, the empire, started to rot in 1719 with Muhammad Shah.

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https://books.google.co.in/books?id=NezwY5D4qa0C&pg=PA538&lpg#v=onepage&q&f=false



Religious Policy

[[198]] While Aurangzeb was extending the empire in the east and south, and consolidating his position on the northwest marches, he was also concerned with the strengthening of Islam throughout the kingdom. His attempt to conduct the affairs of state according to traditional Islamic policy brought to the fore the problem that had confronted every ruler who had attempted to make Islam the guiding force: the position of the Hindu majority in relation to the government. In 1688, when he forbade music at the royal court and took other puritanical steps in conformity with strict injunctions of Muslim law, he affected both Hindus and Muslims. When jizya, abolished for nearly a century, was reimposed in 1679, it was the Hindus alone who suffered.

By now Aurangzeb had accepted the policy of regulating his government in accordance with strict Islamic law, and many orders implementing this policy were issued. A large number of taxes were abolished which had been levied in India for centuries but which were not authorized by Islamic law. Possibly it was the unfavorable effect of these remissions on the state exchequer which led to the exploration of other lawful sources of revenue. The fact that, according to the most responsible account, the reimposition of jizya was suggested by an officer of the finance department would seem to show that it was primarily a fiscal measure./4/ The theologians, who were becoming dominant at the court, naturally endorsed the proposal, and Aurangzeb carried it out with his customary thoroughness.

Another measure which has caused adverse comment is the issue of orders at various stages regarding the destruction of Hindu temples. Originally these orders applied to a few specific cases—such as the temple at Mathura built by Abul Fazl's murderer, to which a railing had been added by Aurangzeb's rival, Dara Shukoh. More far-reaching is the claim that when it was reported to him that Hindus were teaching Muslims their "wicked science," Aurangzeb issued orders to all governors "ordering the destruction of temples and schools and totally [[199]] prohibiting the teaching and infidel practices of the unbelievers."/5/ That such an order was actually given is doubtful; certainly it was never carried out with any thoroughness. However, it is incontestable that at a certain stage Aurangzeb tried to enforce strict Islamic law by ordering the destruction of newly built Hindu temples. Later, the procedure was adopted of closing down rather than destroying the newly built temples in Hindu localities. It is also true that very often the orders of destruction remained a dead letter, but Aurangzeb was too deeply committed to the ordering of his government according to Islamic law to omit its implementation in so significant a matter. The fact that a total ban on the construction of new temples was adopted only by later jurists, and was a departure from the earlier Muslim practice as laid down by Muhammad ibn Qasim in Sind, was no concern of the correct, conscientious, and legal-minded Aurangzeb.

As a part of general policy of ordering the affairs of the state in accordance with the views of the ulama, certain discriminatory orders against the Hindus were issued: for example, imposition of higher customs duties, 5 percent on the goods of the Hindus as against 2 percent on those of Muslims. These were generally in accordance with the practice of the times, but they marked a departure not only from the political philosophy governing Mughal government, but also from the policy followed hitherto by most Muslim rulers in India.

Aurangzeb has often been accused of closing the doors of official employment on the Hindus, but a study of the list of his officers shows this is not so. Actually there were more Hindu officers under him than under any other Mughal emperor. Though this was primarily due to a general increase in the number of officers, it shows that there was no ban on the employment of the Hindus.

That Aurangzeb's religious policy was unpopular at the time is true, but that it was an important factor, as usually charged, in the downfall of the empire, is doubtful. The Hindu uprisings of his reign seem to have had no wide religious appeal, and they were supressed with the help of Hindu leaders. Their significance comes in the following reigns, when the rulers were no longer able to meet opposition as effectively—and as ruthlessly—as had Aurangzeb. His religious policy [[200]] aimed at strengthening an empire already overextended in Shah Jahan's time; that it failed in its objective is probably true, but the mistake should not be made of assuming that the attempt was a major element in the later political decay. It should be seen, rather, as part of an unsuccessful attempt to stave off disaster. Seen in this light, his religious policy is one element, but not a causal one, save in its failure to achieve its intended goal, among the many that have to be considered in seeking an understanding of Aurangzeb's difficulties.


http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00islamlinks/ikram/part2_15.html
 
Mongols are Turks but Turks need not be Mongols.:enjoy:

Mongols only became Turkic once the Mongol empire broke up into smaller empires. Some of those empires mingled with Turks and became Turkic culturally and their children became a mix genetically.
 
Mongols only became Turkic once the Mongol empire broke up into smaller empires. Some of those empires mingled with Turks and became Turkic culturally and their children became a mix genetically.
Mongols are like 80% East Asian and we are like 40 to 50% East Asian.

My small huna caste (25000) must have small but still significant amount of Turanid blood as I still have Turanid eyes even we lost 1000s of years ago. :)
 
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