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Question: Where are the armed forces?

Containment till the war in Afghanistan is over is the important thing.

And how long do you think that will take? As of yet, the US has shown no inclination of giving up in Afghanistan, and the Taliban have shown no interest in giving up either. To date the US has absorbed 679 casualties in almost 8 years of continuous operations in country.(Combined with NATO this number rises to 1133) This is about the number of US DOD personnel killed in car accidents in the same period. (Probably actually somewhat less, I am just using averages) In monetary terms it has cost the US $187 billion. This is approx. 1/25th of the DOD budget over that 8 year period. So the US can keep this up for a while, NATO partners, not so long, but at least another few years.

What do you think is going to end it precisely? From here, unless NATO starts making significant gains, it looks like the war in Afghanistan could easily last another 8 years.

I think you might want to consider a new plan.
 
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I think you might want to consider a new plan.
You have to have a plan first before trying for a new one. That is the underlying problem. NO PLAN.

At the start of this Swat deal I made comment that the Taliban will want more than just Swat.

I was told that was rubbish.
I suggested that the Taliban had a bigger agenda.
Told that was rubbish.

OK so where are you now?? :tsk:

Rubbish?
 
Why should Army involve its self. we have enough force to clean this **** up in 1 hour but why should we. WHY. when we came into power every one said oh no another General at the end People of Pakistan were saying Musharaf Kuta , by meaning the COAS is a kuta so army had enough. Now deal with it, People of Pakistan should have the balls to fight the Talibans or the mullahs by them selves why call the Army.
JAB PHATI HAI TO ARMY :angry::angry::angry::angry::angry::angry::angry:
 
Why should Army involve its self. we have enough force to clean this **** up in 1 hour but why should we. WHY. when we came into power every one said oh no another General at the end People of Pakistan were saying Musharaf Kuta , by meaning the COAS is a kuta so army had enough. Now deal with it, People of Pakistan should have the balls to fight the Talibans or the mullahs by them selves why call the Army.
JAB PHATI HAI TO ARMY :angry::angry::angry::angry::angry::angry::angry:

I know you are an very respected and experienced person. And you are angry. But you are too one among the public.. the civilians and the armymens are not from mars and pluto respectively.. both are from pakistan.. and if people mandate is that you fight the terrorists you gotta do that.. and if their mandate is that you should stay away from politics you gotta obide by that too..!!! Blaming pakistani public as seperate entity above or outside pakistan is not the right way sir...!!! because i believe they where right in asking you to stay from politcs and they are now right in asking you to fight the terror that is slowely gripping you.. becuase the armies job is to protect the country and not running it..!!!
 
Taliban moves to expand control in Pakistan

Peshawar, Pakistan (AFP) April 22, 2009
Taliban militants in Pakistan's Swat valley have moved into another district in a bid to broaden their control despite a deal designed to end extremist violence, officials said Wednesday.

Hundreds of armed Taliban from the scenic northwestern valley have entered Buner district, only 110 kilometres (68 miles) from the capital Islamabad. The militants have set up checkpoints, occupied mosques and ransacked the offices of non-governmental organisations, a local official said.

A Taliban commander said they would set up strict Islamic sharia courts in Buner as they have already done in Swat but would not interfere with police work.

Indications of a spread of Taliban activism has fuelled criticism of an accord agreed by Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari earlier this month to allow sharia courts in Swat, which the United States said amounted to capitulation. US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Wednesday Taliban advances posed "an existential threat" to Pakistan and urged Pakistanis worldwide to oppose the deal.

Pakistanis "need to speak out forcefully against a policy that is ceding more and more territory to the insurgents," Clinton said, underscoring "the seriousness of the existential threat posed to the state of Pakistan by the continuing (Taliban) advances, now within hours of Islamabad".

US President Barack Obama is to welcome Zardari and Afghan President Hamid Karzai in early May, an administration official said Wednesday. Obama is to meet with the neighboring leaders separately and then the three will take part in a summit May 6 and 7, the Washington Post reported.

Pakistan's central government lost control in Swat, a former ski resort and jewel in the crown of Pakistani tourism, after a violent two-year militant campaign to enforce strict sharia law.

It agreed to allow sharia courts in Malakand, a district of some three million people in North West Frontier Province that includes the Swat valley, in order to halt the violence. "The Taliban who have arrived from Swat have increased patrolling, banned music in public transport and rampaged (through the) offices of NGOs and taken their vehicles," said the local official, Rashid Khan.

"Taliban militants armed with rocket launchers were manning the checkpoints and operating from local mosques," he said. Khan said militants had so far snatched 16 NGO vehicles and looted milk and oil aid supplies meant for use in the area.

Provincial governor Owais Ghani expressed his "deep anguish on the criminal activities including kidnappings, looting and car hijackings," an official statement said. "The government's policy of restraint has been mistaken for weakness by criminal elements," the statement quoted the governor as saying, adding that the local administration would use an "iron hand" to deal with militants.

One Taliban commander said his men in Buner would set up an FM radio station and Islamic courts in the mountainous town. "We will soon establish our radio station. Our Qazis (Islamic judges) will also start holding courts in Buner soon," Mohammad Khalil told AFP. "We will not interfere in the police work, they can continue their job," he said.

Muslim Khan, a Taliban spokesman, told AFP from Swat that "the government writ is not being challenged" in Buner and that the Taliban were not creating problems for the administration there. "The Taliban will leave Buner after enforcement of the Islamic justice system," he said.

However, several residents said they felt "scared" and planned to leave the area, fearing similar violence to that seen in Swat.

The High Court in Peshawar, the capital of North West Frontier Province, has ruled that all courts will remain closed in Buner until May 2 in view of the "law and order situation", a court official told AFP. Provincial information minister Mian Iftikhar Hussain said the government had fulfilled its promises in Malakand, adding: "The Taliban must lay down their arms."

The developments in Buner coincided with arrival of the chairman US joint chiefs of staff Admiral Michael Mullen to Islamabad for meetings with the government officials.

http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Taliban_moves_to_expand_control_in_Pakistan_999.ht
 
Why should Army involve its self. we have enough force to clean this **** up in 1 hour but why should we. WHY. when we came into power every one said oh no another General at the end People of Pakistan were saying Musharaf Kuta , by meaning the COAS is a kuta so army had enough. Now deal with it, People of Pakistan should have the balls to fight the Talibans or the mullahs by them selves why call the Army.
JAB PHATI HAI TO ARMY :angry::angry::angry::angry::angry::angry::angry:

In many respects you are correct. Why the Army.

The media was against the army even when it was fighting against these rejects.
The people were against the army and what was happening.

The problem is part religious – Mullahs problem to fix
The problem is part social – The Government to fix.

There are 4 fundamental things to fix first
1. The religious approach – at present everyone has or appears to have their own version. The current situation is as bad as the Christians use to be.
2. The Government – Has to actually make hard decisions on its own. Scary stuff.
3. The media – Has to back both government and if used, the army. This is a national problem not paper selling.
4. The people – Need to see beyond the end of their noses as the saying goes.
 

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