Question: How will AVIC position Hongdu L-15B vs JF-17B?

[Deino]

... In the third generation fighter competition, Hondu has gave Q7 to compete with J13 and J10. And now we all know that J10 has won.

Q-7 ??? I thought it was the swing-wing Q-6 ... Care to tell more, please?

 

[aliaselin]

Q-7 ??? I thought it was the swing-wing Q-6 ... Care to tell more, please?

Q-7 is an air-superiority version of Q-6. Q-6 itself is a fighter-bomber to replace Q-5

 

[My-Analogous]

L-15B is a different league compare to Yak-130/M-346. Dont be fool by its trainer associate. Just like JMSDF called Hyuga as destroyer. L-15B is designed as a 1.4M supersonic fighter/trainer. I can bet it can pull the same high G as JF-17. It thrust power is even more powerful than JF-17 with very favourable range, payload. The only bad point abt L-15B will be the smaller nose cone which may house a smaller AESA/PESA compare to JF-17.

L-15B
General characteristics

• Crew: 2
• Length: 12.27 m (40.256 feet)
• Wingspan: 9.48 m (31.1 feet)
• Height: 4.81 m (15.78 feet)
• Empty weight: 4,500 kg (9,920 lb)
• Loaded weight: 6,500 kg (14,300 lb)
• Max. takeoff weight: 9,500 kg (20,900 lb)
• Powerplant: 2 × Ivchenko Progress AI-222K-25 for AJT model, Ivchenko Progress AI-222K-25F afterburning turbofans for LIFT model

Performance

• Maximum speed: Mach 1.4 (924.1 mph)
• Combat radius: Over 550+ km (More than 340+ miles)
• Ferry range: 3,100 km (1926 miles)
• Service ceiling: 16,000 m (52500 feet)
• Rate of climb: >200 m/s (afterburning) (>39370 ft/min)

JF17 (since B specs is still unknown)
General characteristics

• Crew: 1
• Length: 14.93 m (49 ft)
• Wingspan: 9.45 m (31 ft, including 2 wingtip missiles)
• Height: 4.72 m (15 ft 6 in)
• Wing area: 24.4 m² (263 ft²[181])
• Empty weight: 6,586 kg (14,520 lb)
• Useful load: 3600 kg ()
• Loaded weight: 9,100 kg (20,062 lb)
• Max. takeoff weight: 12,500 kg (28,000 lb)
• G-limit: +8 g / -3 g
• Internal Fuel Capacity: 2,350 kg (5,130 lb)
• Powerplant: 1 × Klimov RD-93 or Guizhou WS-13[2]
  • Dry thrust: 49.7 kN / 51.2 kN (11,106 lbf / 11,510 lbf)
  • Thrust with afterburner: 84.6 kN (19,000 lbf)

Performance

• Maximum speed: Mach 1.6 (1,960.1 km/h; 1,217.9 mph)[2][21]
• Combat radius: 1,352 km (840 mi[18])[dubious – discuss][citation needed]
• Ferry range: 3,482 km (1,880 NM)[citation needed]
• Service ceiling: 16,920 m (55,500 ft)
• Thrust/weight: 0.95[182]

Few things to be noted.

1. Twin engines means more flying cost to be added inL15B.
2. Radar coverage is less in L15B.
3. L15B offers less arms compare to JF17B (because of same software used in JF17)
4. JF17 is expensive then L15B
5. JF17 can have option of mid air refueling and can cover more area.
6. Both offers two types of engines.
7. Both still in developing phase.

Please feel free to write if i missed any point

 

[Deino]

Q-7 is an air-superiority version of Q-6. Q-6 itself is a fighter-bomber to replace Q-5

Any more info on what changes were made to the Q-6? Engine, external changes?? ... and why does it still had an Q-designation?

Do You have an image, illustration or artwork?

Thanks in advance.

 

[aliaselin]

Any more info on what changes were made to the Q-6? Engine, external changes?? ... and why does it still had an Q-designation?

Do You have an image, illustration or artwork?

Thanks in advance.

It is old rumor from CD forum, and has another designation as J-14, with new position of air inlet, engine changed to WP15, adding a pair of front wing. This is why Chinese 4th generation of plane can never been called J-14