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Quebec Bars People in Face Coverings From Receiving Public Services
By DAN LEVINOCT. 18, 2017

“We don’t have hordes of women in niqabs trying to access or work in public services,” Mr. Gardee said, referring to a type of head scarf that covers much of the face. “Rather than helping to facilitate inclusion, as its proponents claim, it excludes citizens in the public sphere and reinforces the marginalization and stigmatization of Canadian Muslims.”

Legal experts dismissed the law as unconstitutional and said they expected the courts to strike it down. “It will open up a Pandora’s box on enforcement,” said Julius H. Grey, a human rights lawyer in Montreal, who argued that the law could deprive people of medical care.

Doctors, midwives and dentists paid by the government are only allowed to cover their faces for occupational requirements. But exactly how the law will be enforced remains unclear.

Ronald Boisrond, a spokesman for the Canadian Union of Public Employees, which represents transit workers, said the union supported the law but wanted clear guidelines on how to carry it out. “Bus drivers don’t want the responsibility of interpreting the law,” he said.

The Quebec government has formed committees to provide rules for agencies that must enforce the bill, though many will not be fully clarified until next summer.

At first, the legislation applied only to public workers and institutions funded by the provincial government. But the bill was amended in August to include public transit and municipalities.

The lawmakers who voted for the bill all belong to the Quebec Liberal Party, which has a majority in the provincial legislature, known officially as the National Assembly of Quebec.

Passing a ban on face coverings fulfills a campaign promise the Liberals made before the 2014 provincial election as a way to draw support away from the government, then led by Parti Québécois, which had proposed barring the wearing of overt religious symbols by government employees or by workers at publicly funded workers institutions.

Ms. Vallée said the bill was not aimed at Muslims. “This is a bill about living together in harmony,” she said on Monday during a television interview. “It’s a bill about guidelines and clearly establishes neutrality of the state.”

The matter of the rights of Muslims in Quebec is part of a broader political debate in the province over how to preserve its secular and cultural identity in relation to the rest of Canada, said Mohammad Fadel, an expert on Islam and liberalism at University of Toronto. “Multiculturalism is very controversial in Quebec because they view it as way of diluting their Frenchness,” he said.

Anti-Muslim sentiment is not unknown in Quebec. In January, a man who had spoken out online against Islam and immigration opened fire on a mosque in Quebec City, killing six people and wounding eight. Last summer, residents of a nearby town voted to forbid the construction of a Muslim cemetery, though Quebec City’s mayor eventually brokered a deal to sell a plot of land for Muslim burials.

Muslim women in Quebec who wear face veils, however, fear that the new law will make them even more of a target.

Ever since she started wearing a niqab in 2011, Warda Naili said she had endured almost daily harassment and abuse in her native Montreal. “Every time I go out, someone tells me something like, ‘It’s not Halloween’ or ‘Go back to your country,’” she said in a phone interview.

A Muslim convert who has health problems, Ms. Naili, 33, said she rarely rode buses and only went to one hospital because of harassment from riders and even nurses. She worries that harassment will grow now that the bill has passed. “The law will only put oil on the fire,” she said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/18/world/canada/quebec-face-coverings-ban.html
 
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It is their country, their choice.

By the way it is not compulsory in Islam to cover the face.

So whats the big deal?
 
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The word you're looking for is Quebecer... make sure the "r" is really pronounced.
Trudeau might be all dovy and crap but the truth is we're being monitored by the RCMP. Even small time trash talk like insults against other Canadians gets recorded
 
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Not even for halloween?

btw we need more modest women in these times of hoe epidemics. global hoe levels are rising. at this rate we will be a human hoeciety in a couple of decades.

my homeboy casts pornstars here and he told me there are more hoes than there are stars in the sky. we live in a place with loads of light pollution so the hoe count is maybe at 20-30 or something like that
 
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Burqa Bans: Which Countries Outlaw Face Coverings?
By LIAM STACKOCT. 19, 2017

PARIS — The Canadian province of Quebec is the latest place to make it a crime to wear a face-covering garment in public, a move that critics derided as discriminatory against Muslim women.

Quebec’s law, enacted on Wednesday, is the first of its kind in North America, but similar measures — sometimes referred to as burqa bans — have existed in Europe for years.Very few Muslim women in Europe or North America wear full-face veils, but laws that forbid the coverings have come into force in at least five West European countries. Many more lawmakers — including in Denmark, the Netherlands and Norway — have considered them.

Supporters of the laws say they are necessary to protect public safety, defend Western values or encourage migrants to assimilate into their new societies. But rights groups say they discriminate against Muslim women, some of whom view garments like niqabs and burqas as a religious obligation.

Here’s a look at efforts in some Western countries to restrict the wearing of face-covering garments in public.

Canada
The French-speaking province of Quebec has barred people with face coverings from receiving public services or from working in government jobs.

That means it is illegal for them to ride a public bus, work as a doctor or teacher, or receive publicly funded health care while covering their faces.

The government said people could apply for exemptions, but some are already built into the law: Doctors are allowed to wear a surgical mask that covers the lower half of the face, but not a veil that does the same thing.

Quebec’s minister of justice, Stéphanie Vallée, said the law fostered social cohesion, but critics disagreed. Ihsaan Gardee, the executive director of the National Council of Canadian Muslims, called it “an unnecessary law with a made-up solution to an invented problem.”

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The French-Algerian businessman Rachid Nekkaz at a protest in Vienna. He said he would pay the fines of women punished for wearing full-face veils in Austria. CreditAlex Halada/European Pressphoto Agency
Austria
Austria’s ban on face coverings took effect in October. The law forbids women from wearing garments like burqas or niqabs in public, including in universities, public transportation or courthouses. Violators can be fined 150 euros, or about $175.

Muna Duzdar, a state secretary in the office of Chancellor Christian Kern, told reporters in May that the measure was part of a broader package intended to help immigrants assimilate to life in Austria.

But the law has proved difficult to enforce.

Last week, the police issued citations to two people: a male activist protesting the law by wearing a mask and a suit covered in €100 notes; and a man wearing a shark costume as part of a sidewalk advertising campaign for a chain of computer stores called McShark, who refused to remove the head piece when asked to do so.

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France has long been riven by tensions between its Muslim population, Europe’s largest, and those who support the state ideology of secularism. CreditDmitry Kostyukov for The New York Times
France
In 2011, France became the first country in Western Europe to ban face-covering garments like the burqa or niqab in public, although the law did not explicitly mention Islam. The move made it illegal to cover one’s face in public places including streets and stores, as a security measure. Those who break the law face fines of up to €150.

The law has been divisive in France, which has long been riven by tensions between its Muslim population, Europe’s largest, and those who support the state ideology of secularism.

Last year a string of beach towns went one step further, driven in part by a string of deadly terrorist attacks, and banned the burkini, a full-body swimsuit worn by some Muslim women.

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A woman wearing a niqab in Brussels in 2010. CreditJulien Warnand/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images
Belgium
A law that banned face-covering garments in public also came into effect in Belgium in 2011. Violators could be sentenced to seven days in prison and face a fine of €137.50.

The law was quickly challenged in court by two Muslim women who said it violated their right to privacy and freedom of religion.

But in July, the European Court of Human Rights ruled against them. It said it agreed with Belgium’s argument that the law was meant to “guarantee the conditions of ‘living together’ and the ‘protection of the rights and freedoms of others.’”

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Midday prayers at a mosque in Berlin. CreditOmer Messinger/Getty Images
Germany
A law banning face coverings while driving took effect in Germany this month, coming on the heels of legislation prohibiting anyone in the civil service, military or working for an election from covering their faces.

Bavaria took the measure one step further, banning teachers and university professors from covering their faces.

Chancellor Angela Merkel has faced increasing pressure from the right in recent years and supported the new legislation last year as part of measures to help assimilation into society. She told reporters at the time, “From my standpoint, a fully veiled woman scarcely has a chance at full integration in Germany.”

There are roughly four million Muslims in Germany, about a quarter of whom arrived from 2015 to 2016 from Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq, after Ms. Merkel opened the border.

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Muslims in Ribnovo, Bulgaria, in 2014. The country passed a law on face coverings in 2016.CreditSean Gallup/Getty Images
Bulgaria
Following in the footsteps of its larger European Union partners, Bulgaria banned face-covering garments in government offices, schools and cultural institutions in 2016.

Lawmakers who supported the measure denied it was discriminatory. They said it was intended to help the country respond to potential security issues posed by the migrant crisis.

But most Muslims in Bulgaria are native-born members of the country’s long-established Turkish minority. They make up about 12 percent of the population and few of them wear niqabs or other face coverings, according to Reuters.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/19/world/europe/quebec-burqa-ban-europe.html
 
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Western form of freedom for women...
Hanging tits out in Public...What a free woman.
Covering up...what and oppressed woman.

Women should decide which part to cover and which not to...the state shouldn't interfere. thats secularism.
But Quebec is French goons. French are one of the most bigoted people on the planet.
 
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Well I wonder what the hoo hah is all about?

In Islam is not obligatory to cover the face or wear the niqab.

So what's the problem?

Some stupid people are making an issue out of nothing.
 
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I wonder if they sentence a women to fine and jail if in middle of the winter in a cold and windy day she wear her scarf over her face ? (let say her mouth and nose)
 
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