‘Quality, capacity, safety of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons better than India’s’

[A.P. Richelieu]

And the picts were less than 7x the number of Roman soldiers????????............lol.....lol.....

The Picts were part of the Scottish fighting the invading Romans who numbered WAY WAY less than both the Picts and the Scots......... .........please don't put out rubbish and delusional indian bollywood fantasies.

Apart from Pakistan, name me ANY other nation/peoples in all 10,000 years of recorded human history who have stood alone and repulsed an enemy nation that is more than 7× bigger than it. That too when the enemy nation also has abundant access to the world's most advanced weapons systems whilst we are denied this privilege. That is an unprecedented, impossible feat that Pakistan has accomplished for nearly 70 years and still counting.........

Please don't use the example of the Ancient Atlanteans or the inhabitants of Ancient Mu either......lol.

The Roman Empire had 28 legions at its peak, and there were 50-70 million inhabitants.
Today Scotland has 4,5M inhabitants. I doubt that the Picts numbered 7-10 M at that time.
As for size, the Roman Empire was much much larger than 7x Scotland.

When You compare, you compare nations.
When given an example, you want to compare invasion forces.

Do You claim that India has had 7x the number of soldiers inside Pakistan?
Think not...
Anyway, the repulsion of India lasted until 1971, when Pakistan forces is Bangla Desh surrendered.

If You want other examples, Sweden has never been invaded by Russia (if You dont count Finland).
There has been a handful of border raids, but thats it.
Even if You count Finland, Sweden has resisted Russia for hundreds of years, and Finland has regained sovereignty.
Not only that, Sweden has conquered Moscow TWICE.
There are about 11x Russians vs Swedes.
The only time Sweden has been "occupied" was at the end of the Kalmar Union which Sweden entered voluntarily.
The union king was Danish and once people had enough of the Union, it took some time and effort to get rid of the Danes.

Scotland resisted England for 100s of years after Robert the Bruce, so please stop spreading crap.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

The Roman Empire had 28 legions at its peak, and there were 50-70 million inhabitants.
Today Scotland has 4,5M inhabitants. I doubt that the Picts numbered 7-10 M at that time.
As for size, the Roman Empire was much much larger than 7x Scotland.

When You compare, you compare nations.
When given an example, you want to compare invasion forces.

Do You claim that India has had 7x the number of soldiers inside Pakistan?
Think not...
Anyway, the repulsion of India lasted until 1971, when Pakistan forces is Bangla Desh surrendered.

If You want other examples, Sweden has never been invaded by Russia (if You dont count Finland).
There has been a handful of border raids, but thats it.
Even if You count Finland, Sweden has resisted Russia for hundreds of years, and Finland has regained sovereignty.
Not only that, Sweden has conquered Moscow TWICE.
There are about 11x Russians vs Swedes.
The only time Sweden has been "occupied" was at the end of the Kalmar Union which Sweden entered voluntarily.
The union king was Danish and once people had enough of the Union, it took some time and effort to get rid of the Danes.

Scotland resisted England for 100s of years after Robert the Bruce, so please stop spreading crap.

Didn't realize there was more than 7x the number of Roman soldiers right next to the Picts and Scots. Sharing a border with them.

By the way, did any of the peoples/nations you have mentioned do that for nearly 70 years and when they were denied advanced weapons systems whilst their enemy was given abundant access to them despite being more than 7x bigger than they were?

Didn't realize it was Russian state policy to destroy Sweden. They may have voluntarily accepted Russian rule but we WILL NEVER accept foreign occupation.

 

[I S I]

Let me name few bharati trolls with western names. All of them are banned right now

1 Stephen Cohen
2 Gregory something
3 Dean Wichtster

and many many more.

Don't know why western names are so famous among bharati internet troll army.

They seems like left over Gene of British raj.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Didn't realize there was more than 7x the number of Roman soldiers right next to the Picts and Scots. Sharing a border with them.

By the way, did any of the peoples/nations you have mentioned do that for nearly 70 years and when they were denied advanced weapons systems whilst their enemy was given abundant access to them despite being more than 7x bigger than they were?

Didn't realize it was Russian state policy to destroy Sweden. They may have voluntarily accepted Russian rule but we WILL NEVER accept foreign occupation.

There are not 7x the number of Indian Troops compared to Pakistan troops.

Indian Army is 2 x that of Pakistan, and all of it is not deployed vs Pakistan, so You do not even
fit your own conditions.
With reserves: 3x.

The only way You can get 7x us to compare the full population of India vs the full population of Pakistan.
If You compare the same way, the Roman Empire is much more superior in numbers.
The Roman Empire shared a border with the Picts, Hadrians Wall sometimes was that border.

You did not repel India for 70 years, since you did not repel India in 1971.
Sweden has repelled Russia for around 4-500 years, and never been ruled by Russia.
Russia (Kingdom of Rus) was created in Kiev by Swedish Vikings.

India does not have a policy to destroy Pakistan.
In most of the conflicts between India and Pakistan, historians outside Pakistan seems
to agree that Pakistan is the aggressor.
You better change the wiki on the subject if You disagree.

Pakistan has choosen to ally itself with China. That has repercussions.
Are You claiming that JF-17 is inferior technology?
Pakistan has a tradition of military coups, which is triggering restrictions, so
denials of weapon sales is self inflicted.
Pakistan is not denied to develop their own weapons.
Sweden has traditionally not been dependent on foreign powers.

Denmark/Poland/Russia tried to cut up Sweden into parts in the Great Nordic War,
but were soundly beaten by forces inferior in numbers due to better training and tactics.

Whats Your next restriction? You only want to allow Urdu speaking countries in the comparision .

 

[Indika]

The Roman Empire had 28 legions at its peak, and there were 50-70 million inhabitants.
Today Scotland has 4,5M inhabitants. I doubt that the Picts numbered 7-10 M at that time.
As for size, the Roman Empire was much much larger than 7x Scotland.

When You compare, you compare nations.
When given an example, you want to compare invasion forces.

Do You claim that India has had 7x the number of soldiers inside Pakistan?
Think not...
Anyway, the repulsion of India lasted until 1971, when Pakistan forces is Bangla Desh surrendered.

If You want other examples, Sweden has never been invaded by Russia (if You dont count Finland).
There has been a handful of border raids, but thats it.
Even if You count Finland, Sweden has resisted Russia for hundreds of years, and Finland has regained sovereignty.
Not only that, Sweden has conquered Moscow TWICE.
There are about 11x Russians vs Swedes.
The only time Sweden has been "occupied" was at the end of the Kalmar Union which Sweden entered voluntarily.
The union king was Danish and once people had enough of the Union, it took some time and effort to get rid of the Danes.

Scotland resisted England for 100s of years after Robert the Bruce, so please stop spreading crap.

you are wasting your time by arguing with facts. Facts have no value here. Its absolute nonsense and virulent emotional outbursts which find acceptance. Most of the ppl here would not even know subcontinents true history itself and as far as nordic region is concerned it would be absolutely nil. pick your ppl whom you want to discuss with if you are interested in meaningful rewarding discussions.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

you are wasting your time by arguing with facts. Facts have no value here. Its absolute nonsense and virulent emotional outbursts which find acceptance. Most of the ppl here would not even know subcontinents true history itself and as far as nordic region is concerned it would be absolutely nil. pick your ppl whom you want to discuss with if you are interested in meaningful rewarding discussions.

Very true but I get the satisfaction from sharpening the arguments,
and exposing the charlatans.

 

[MULUBJA]

Isn't 1Pakistani = 10 INDIANS right? 7 times bigger India advantage is of no use! Also then why can't you excel in Civil nuclear tech?Or is that sh1t only a jignoism only to make you sleep better at night?

Intially India too had reactors designed build by foreign nations. But after the sanctions in 90s no nation helped us with fissile material nor with other nuke tech. We developed our own reactors designed in house. We made some pioneering research in Thorium tech. And that's the reason we are getting world recognition and they are comming back. Hath pe hath rakh ke ro nahi rahe the... mehnat ki hai humne 20 sal usi ki kamai hai jo abhi NSG waiter mila hai cheerleading karke nahi mili.

You forgot to mention the pioneering work we did in fast breeder technology to achieve a very high burn out ratio even with relatively impure fuel and generate more fuel that what it consumes. We are leader in this area and thisarea is very very important.

 

[Areesh]

Chapter? Verse?\

Any anti social element should be deal with disgust. It is a common idea of Islam.

 

[v9s]

Very well then I suppose these lines from the OP seem to support your line of thinking:-


And such ignorant I was that I was expecting some kind of talk regarding Thorium tech or hybrid MoX fuel reactors. Even basic discussion regarding different kind of reactor vessel geometry and type with different fuel cycles and possible effects in steam generation for power production. If all this was not palatable by the audience even basic talk regarding uses of ionizing radiation in treating harvested crops would have found takers. But discussing weapons certainly dose not come "Civil Use"

Well can't blame them. Every time there is such a symposium, the discussion devolves to weapons because the people in the audience/organizers/journalists probably keep on pestering the speakers on it.

 

[banvanaxl]

There are not 7x the number of Indian Troops compared to Pakistan troops.

Indian Army is 2 x that of Pakistan, and all of it is not deployed vs Pakistan, so You do not even
fit your own conditions.
With reserves: 3x.

The only way You can get 7x us to compare the full population of India vs the full population of Pakistan.
If You compare the same way, the Roman Empire is much more superior in numbers.
The Roman Empire shared a border with the Picts, Hadrians Wall sometimes was that border.

You did not repel India for 70 years, since you did not repel India in 1971.
Sweden has repelled Russia for around 4-500 years, and never been ruled by Russia.
Russia (Kingdom of Rus) was created in Kiev by Swedish Vikings.

India does not have a policy to destroy Pakistan.
In most of the conflicts between India and Pakistan, historians outside Pakistan seems
to agree that Pakistan is the aggressor.
You better change the wiki on the subject if You disagree.

Pakistan has choosen to ally itself with China. That has repercussions.
Are You claiming that JF-17 is inferior technology?
Pakistan has a tradition of military coups, which is triggering restrictions, so
denials of weapon sales is self inflicted.
Pakistan is not denied to develop their own weapons.
Sweden has traditionally not been dependent on foreign powers.

Denmark/Poland/Russia tried to cut up Sweden into parts in the Great Nordic War,
but were soundly beaten by forces inferior in numbers due to better training and tactics.

Whats Your next restriction? You only want to allow Urdu speaking countries in the comparision .

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I hope you have a thick skin mate. Be prepared to be
a. Abused via personal attacks and what not
b. Be called an Indian bootlicker.
c. Be called an Indian, faking a Swedish identity

A very apt quotation from one of my favorite authors comes to my mind here..

 

[kṣamā]

Well can't blame them. Every time there is such a symposium, the discussion devolves to weapons because the people in the audience/organizers/journalists probably keep on pestering the speakers on it.

I don't think audience /organizers /journalists drive the conversation. Its the speakers who have the primary role to set the direction and the tempo of the meet. People get smacked left rt and center for being out of scope in such meets. Trust me saying from personal experience.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

There are not 7x the number of Indian Troops compared to Pakistan troops.

Indian Army is 2 x that of Pakistan, and all of it is not deployed vs Pakistan, so You do not even
fit your own conditions.
With reserves: 3x.

The only way You can get 7x us to compare the full population of India vs the full population of Pakistan.
If You compare the same way, the Roman Empire is much more superior in numbers.
The Roman Empire shared a border with the Picts, Hadrians Wall sometimes was that border.

You did not repel India for 70 years, since you did not repel India in 1971.
Sweden has repelled Russia for around 4-500 years, and never been ruled by Russia.
Russia (Kingdom of Rus) was created in Kiev by Swedish Vikings.

India does not have a policy to destroy Pakistan.
In most of the conflicts between India and Pakistan, historians outside Pakistan seems
to agree that Pakistan is the aggressor.
You better change the wiki on the subject if You disagree.

Pakistan has choosen to ally itself with China. That has repercussions.
Are You claiming that JF-17 is inferior technology?
Pakistan has a tradition of military coups, which is triggering restrictions, so
denials of weapon sales is self inflicted.
Pakistan is not denied to develop their own weapons.
Sweden has traditionally not been dependent on foreign powers.

Denmark/Poland/Russia tried to cut up Sweden into parts in the Great Nordic War,
but were soundly beaten by forces inferior in numbers due to better training and tactics.

Whats Your next restriction? You only want to allow Urdu speaking countries in the comparision .

View attachment 364061

Had india managed to invade and conquer the REAL "West" Pakistan in 1971 then you could say india was not repelled. OR had bangladesh become a part of india again then you could have potentially said the same. The biggest victor of the 1971 war was the natural racial order. The will to preserve one's racial and genetic heritage. Bangladesh was created the same reason as to why Pakistan was created: You CANNOT EVER form a single nation from 2 COMPLETELY DIFFERENT sets of people who differ to one another in terms of physical appearance, race, genetics, culture and heritage. It is IMPOSSIBLE. indians took advantage of this fact in 1971.

The 7× larger indian population may not be entirely deployed against Pakistan militarily but using the economic power of a 7× larger population for unlimited purchases of advanced weapons systems, as reserves and for the war effort is usually an IMPOSSIBLE odd that NO other nation apart from Pakistan has EVER overcome.

The small skirmishes between Russia/Central European countries and the Scandinavian nations were always small petty squabbles devoid of the hatred and intensity of the Pakistan india conflict. Sweden's national sovereignty and survival WAS NEVER threatened as the major European nations would intervene had that been the case. The Russians have a Viking heritage as do the Swedes and most other Europeans. They are the same people and SAME religion. They would NEVER want to destroy one another.

So much to the disdain, anguish and frustration of our enemies, the fact still remains which NO ONE can deny or disprove: In 10,000 years of ALL recorded human history, Pakistan is the ONLY nation ever to have stood alone and fended off an enemy nation that is more than 7x bigger than us and has abundant access to the world's most advanced weapons systems whilst we are denied this privilege.

The aim of india to destroy Pakistan is indian state policy. As has been stated by many an indian politician and leaders over many decades.

PS I would never ever trust wiki nor do I care about it's delusions. You have delusional retarded indian bollywood fantasiests editing their lies and propaganda on a 24 hour basis there.

Lol pakistan lost a whole province and you say it was meant to seperate . Sour grapes I guess. So losing territory doesnt mean shit to you ?

You tried to get kashmir but instead ended up losing more territory in kashmir and also the whole province of bengal .
Enemies are meant to take advantage of your weaknesses lol . We found yours but you couldnt find ours ; thats why india is still in the form it was in 1947( actually its got bigger ) whereas real pakistan aka bangladesh is seperate country now .
Pakistanis are closer racially to bangladeshis than any other nationality . If you are not willing ti accept this basic fact , there is no use of this conversation.

Pakistan couldnt repulse 3x bigger india and lost badly to it but much smaller nations like vietnam and taiwan have succesfully held their own against way more powerful china .Pakistan in comparison always got its a$$ kicked by India . Its an incontrovertible fact that pakistan is the most inferior country in south asia.

Nearly 70 years later, you guys are still bitter and mad about Pakistan being carved out off and created from indian territory. Even bangladesh was ultimately carved and ripped out of indian territory. Even though you helped the formation of bangladesh they still did not want to be a part of india. That says a lot.

The fact that you even think that Pakistanis are the same race as bangladeshis is as ridiculous and deluded as are your posts and rants. You are obviously a previous indian troll who has been banned. But you are so obsessed with Pakistan that you keep coming back to PDF under different usernames (usually western Sounding Names) to pollute with your indianisms. @Oscar @waz

For all your rants and continued retardations, could you please explain what happened to the indian military against Pakistan after mumbai 2008? That too against an enemy that is more than 7x smaller than you and doesn't enjoy the abundant access to the world's most advanced weapons systems like you do? Come on now, if you think you can beat us please stop barking like dogs on the internet and come and try if you can

Lol pakistan lost a whole province and you say it was meant to seperate . Sour grapes I guess. So losing territory doesnt mean shit to you ?

You tried to get kashmir but instead ended up losing more territory in kashmir and also the whole province of bengal .
Enemies are meant to take advantage of your weaknesses lol . We found yours but you couldnt find ours ; thats why india is still in the form it was in 1947( actually its got bigger ) whereas real pakistan aka bangladesh is seperate country now .
Pakistanis are closer racially to bangladeshis than any other nationality . If you are not willing ti accept this basic fact , there is no use of this conversation.

Pakistan couldnt repulse 3x bigger india and lost badly to it but much smaller nations like vietnam and taiwan have succesfully held their own against way more powerful china .Pakistan in comparison always got its a$$ kicked by India . Its an incontrovertible fact that pakistan is the most inferior country in south asia.

@Oscar @waz @WAJsal

The above is an indian troll who is severely obsessed with Pakistan. He keeps getting banned and then returns with different aliases. Please get rid of him permanently. These guys have a severe breakdown when banned.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

The Roman Empire had 28 legions at its peak, and there were 50-70 million inhabitants.
Today Scotland has 4,5M inhabitants. I doubt that the Picts numbered 7-10 M at that time.
As for size, the Roman Empire was much much larger than 7x Scotland.

When You compare, you compare nations.
When given an example, you want to compare invasion forces.

Do You claim that India has had 7x the number of soldiers inside Pakistan?
Think not...
Anyway, the repulsion of India lasted until 1971, when Pakistan forces is Bangla Desh surrendered.

If You want other examples, Sweden has never been invaded by Russia (if You dont count Finland).
There has been a handful of border raids, but thats it.
Even if You count Finland, Sweden has resisted Russia for hundreds of years, and Finland has regained sovereignty.
Not only that, Sweden has conquered Moscow TWICE.
There are about 11x Russians vs Swedes.
The only time Sweden has been "occupied" was at the end of the Kalmar Union which Sweden entered voluntarily.
The union king was Danish and once people had enough of the Union, it took some time and effort to get rid of the Danes.

Scotland resisted England for 100s of years after Robert the Bruce, so please stop spreading crap.

The Roman military had to sail to Scotland in limited numbers from Italy. This could take weeks if not longer. They did not have a supply route or a population 7x bigger than Scotland backing them up that bordered Scotland. The only advantage they had was weapons technology. Every other advantage was with the Scots and Picts. So the comparison of that with Pakistan and India is completely ludicrous.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Had india managed to invade and conquer the REAL "West" Pakistan in 1971 then you could say india was not repelled. OR had bangladesh become a part of india again then you could have potentially said the same. The biggest victor of the 1971 war was the natural racial order. The will to preserve one's racial and genetic heritage. Bangladesh was created the same reason as to why Pakistan was created: You CANNOT EVER form a single nation from 2 COMPLETELY DIFFERENT sets of people who differ to one another in terms of physical appearance, race, genetics, culture and heritage. It is IMPOSSIBLE. indians took advantage of this fact in 1971.

The 7× larger indian population may not be entirely deployed against Pakistan militarily but using the economic power of a 7× larger population for unlimited purchases of advanced weapons systems, as reserves and for the war effort is usually an IMPOSSIBLE odd that NO other nation apart from Pakistan has EVER overcome.

The small skirmishes between Russia/Central European countries and the Scandinavian nations were always small petty squabbles devoid of the hatred and intensity of the Pakistan india conflict. Sweden's national sovereignty and survival WAS NEVER threatened as the major European nations would intervene had that been the case. The Russians have a Viking heritage as do the Swedes and most other Europeans. They are the same people and SAME religion. They would NEVER want to destroy one another.

So much to the disdain, anguish and frustration of our enemies, the fact still remains which NO ONE can deny or disprove: In 10,000 years of ALL recorded human history, Pakistan is the ONLY nation ever to have stood alone and fended off an enemy nation that is more than 7x bigger than us and has abundant access to the world's most advanced weapons systems whilst we are denied this privilege.

The aim of india to destroy Pakistan is indian state policy. As has been stated by many an indian politician and leaders over many decades.

PS I would never ever trust wiki nor do I care about it's delusions. You have delusional retarded indian bollywood fantasiests editing their lies and propaganda on a 24 hour basis there.

So now it is the full population... You wringle around like a snake.

The Population of the Roman Empire was 50-70M.
The Pict/Scot population was far. Way below 7M which is what is needed for 7x.
The Romans had advanced armour, advanced steel swords, and field artillery.
All which was lacking on the Pict side.
Contrary to the Picts, Pakistan is not alone, since it is getting a lot of funding from the US,
even if that is for other purposes.

The Scots again defended themselves successfully against the English,
which had much, much higher population and heavy cavalry (knights).
So no, Pakistan is not unique except in Your mind.

The Russians have the Orthodox Church, Northern Europe is Lutheran,
and Central/Southern Europe is Catholic. There is no love lost between the fractions.
The Pak-India conflict is NOTHING, compared to the Thirty Year War between Catholics and Protestants.
Fought between 1618-1648 it had 8M casualties.
It is estimated that 80% of all villages in the current Czech Republic was deserted at the end of the war.
Heretics were burned on stakes.
Except for the genocide during the late 1940s, the real Pak-India wars generate 1000s of casualties, not Millions.
It is children playing compared to the religious wars of Europe.

So no, we are not talking small skirmishes. It was total war draining the population.
During the Great Nordic War, more than 10% of the Swedish population was in the Army.
Pakistan/India has only a small fraction of their population in the India.

India does not seek a military conquest of Pakistan, but would be quite happy to see the country disintegrate.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

You forgot to mention the pioneering work we did in fast breeder technology to achieve a very high burn out ratio even with relatively impure fuel and generate more fuel that what it consumes. We are leader in this area and thisarea is very very important.

Guess what?????.......the pioneering work you done in fast breeder technology was done using equipment, science, technology, expertise and means that WERE ALL 100% indigenously designed & created by the West and Russia. There is no kudos in living off the hardwork of others or buying it from them.

So now it is the full population... You wringle around like a snake.

The Population of the Roman Empire was 50-70M.
The Pict/Scot population was far. Way below 7M which is what is needed for 7x.
The Romans had advanced armour, advanced steel swords, and field artillery.
All which was lacking on the Pict side.
Contrary to the Picts, Pakistan is not alone, since it is getting a lot of funding from the US,
even if that is for other purposes.

The Scots again defended themselves successfully against the English,
which had much, much higher population and heavy cavalry (knights).
So no, Pakistan is not unique except in Your mind.

The Russians have the Orthodox Church, Northern Europe is Lutheran,
and Central/Southern Europe is Catholic. There is no love lost between the fractions.
The Pak-India conflict is NOTHING, compared to the Thirty Year War between Catholics and Protestants.
Fought between 1618-1648 it had 8M casualties.
It is estimated that 80% of all villages in the current Czech Republic was deserted at the end of the war.
Heretics were burned on stakes.
Except for the genocide during the late 1940s, the real Pak-India wars generate 1000s of casualties, not Millions.
It is children playing compared to the religious wars of Europe.

So no, we are not talking small skirmishes. It was total war draining the population.
During the Great Nordic War, more than 10% of the Swedish population was in the Army.
Pakistan/India has only a small fraction of their population in the India.

India does not seek a military conquest of Pakistan, but would be quite happy to see the country disintegrate.

Lol.......Pakistan does not get top of the line military hardware from the Americans. At best we get given mid to lower end equipment from them. Our main supply is China. Who I admit is reaching Western/Russian standards of military production capabilities but still have some way to go. Wheras india gets top of the line military hardware from America, the West and Russia. And on top of that you are more than 7x bigger than us. How Pakistan has survived those odds is a miracle.

At least you admitted that the indian nation had evil intentions towards Pakistan.


PS Nice try. Nice try coming on PDF as a Swede when in fact you are an indian hiding behind the flag of another nation.......lol. Absolutely pathetic. You've given yourself away too easily......lol. A genuine REAL SWEDE knows nothing about Pakistan or india nor cares about it's history or politics.........lol......

A lot of indians are doing the above especially since we put a stop to indian nonsense recently.....lol.