Quadrilateral coalition: India, US, Japan and Australia hold first meeting on 'Indo-Pacific' coopera

[RISING SUN]

Quadrilateral coalition: India, US, Japan and Australia hold first meeting on 'Indo-Pacific' cooperation
India, US, Japan and Australia gave a thumbs up for a "free, open, prosperous and inclusive Indo-Pacific region" after the first officials' meeting on the "Indo-Pacific" on the sidelines of the Asean summit in Manila on Sunday, resurrecting the "quadrilateral" from the ashes.

The 'quad' meeting came even as Modi and Trump met each other for a few minutes as they arrived for the gala dinner hosted by the Philippines. Modi and Trump will have a bilateral meet Monday afternoon. Modi was also seen chatting with Dmitry Medvedev, Russian PM, Justin Trudeau of Canada and Li Keqiang of China, among others, inlcuding Najib Razak of Malaysia among others. In pictures, Modi is seen in animated conversation with other world leaders.

At the quadrilateral meeting, India was represented by Pranay Verma, joint secretary in charge of east Asia and Vinay Kumar, joint secretary (south). The US was represented by Alice Wells while Japan sent Satoshi Suzuki, deputy minister for foreign policy for the dialogue.

As a first effort. sources said the exercise was quite successful. the MEA spokesperson said, "The discussions focused on cooperation based on their converging vision and values for promotion of peace, stability and prosperity in an increasingly inter-connected region that they share with each other and with other partners."

Speaking on anonymity, another member of the quadrilateral in Manila described the discussions as "constructive." The top items at the dialogue included ways of maintaining the "rules based order" in the Indo-Pacific theatre, a review of the happenings in Indo-Pacific ans North Korea.

The Australian statement issued at the end of the talks said "the officials examined ways to achieve common goals and address shared challenges in the region. This includes upholding the rules-based order in the Indo-Pacific.. freedom of navigation and overflight; increase connectivity..." countering terrorism and upholding maritime security. Japan too issued a similar statement as did the US.

But while US, Australia and Japan emphasised talks on the DPRK nuclear issue, MEA's spokesperson however skipped the discussion on North Korea in their readout.
Raveesh Kumar said, "They agreed that a free, open, prosperous and inclusive Indo-Pacific region serves the long-term interests of all countries in the region and of the world at large. The officials also exchanged views on addressing common challenges of terrorism and proliferation linkages impacting the region as well as on enhancing connectivity."

On Monday, after the opening ceremony, Modi is scheduled to visit the well-known rice research institute, which has been instrumental in helping India evolve its own rice varieties. In the afternoon, he will have a bilateral summit with Trump, to be followed by a meeting with Duterte, president of Philippines.
India has managed to work productively with the Trump administration thus far — its South Asia strategy and Asia-Pacific strategy closely hews to the Indian point of view. Indian sources say that for the present, the US and India are on the "same page"when it comes to both Afghanistan and China.Trump openly re-named the Asia-Pacific to become the new Indo-Pacific, a sign that the US would put India front and centre in its Asia strategy. This has several connotations — including cooperative security strategies in the Indian Ocean and western Pacific. For the first time earlier this week, an Indian warship in the East China Sea was refueled by a US ship, one of the first occasions of the LEMOA being put into action.

While all four members deny any connection of the quadrilateral to China, there is absolutely no doubt that the precipituous rise in Chinese power has led these four countries to balance that rise and perhaps contest the new hegemon.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...-pacific-cooperation/articleshow/61617951.cms

 

[cerberus]

Good NWO

 

[Dash]

While all four members deny any connection of the quadrilateral to China, there is absolutely no doubt that the precipituous rise in Chinese power has led these four countries to balance that rise and perhaps contest the new hegemon.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...-pacific-cooperation/articleshow/61617951.cms

China has so far been extremely successful in fuelling DPRK to go thermonuclear and capturing South China Sea while US focusing on NK.

Hence it’s high time that other ASEAN nations and more importantly Japan and India to keep their focus on China together. US can join later after NK problem is solved to an extent.

 

[Kopa Shamsu]

OKA

 

[Nan Yang]

Quadrilateral coalition: India, US, Japan and Australia hold first meeting on 'Indo-Pacific' cooperation
India, US, Japan and Australia gave a thumbs up for a "free, open, prosperous and inclusive Indo-Pacific region" after the first officials' meeting on the "Indo-Pacific" on the sidelines of the Asean summit in Manila on Sunday, resurrecting the "quadrilateral" from the ashes.

The 'quad' meeting came even as Modi and Trump met each other for a few minutes as they arrived for the gala dinner hosted by the Philippines. Modi and Trump will have a bilateral meet Monday afternoon. Modi was also seen chatting with Dmitry Medvedev, Russian PM, Justin Trudeau of Canada and Li Keqiang of China, among others, inlcuding Najib Razak of Malaysia among others. In pictures, Modi is seen in animated conversation with other world leaders.

At the quadrilateral meeting, India was represented by Pranay Verma, joint secretary in charge of east Asia and Vinay Kumar, joint secretary (south). The US was represented by Alice Wells while Japan sent Satoshi Suzuki, deputy minister for foreign policy for the dialogue.

As a first effort. sources said the exercise was quite successful. the MEA spokesperson said, "The discussions focused on cooperation based on their converging vision and values for promotion of peace, stability and prosperity in an increasingly inter-connected region that they share with each other and with other partners."

Speaking on anonymity, another member of the quadrilateral in Manila described the discussions as "constructive." The top items at the dialogue included ways of maintaining the "rules based order" in the Indo-Pacific theatre, a review of the happenings in Indo-Pacific ans North Korea.

The Australian statement issued at the end of the talks said "the officials examined ways to achieve common goals and address shared challenges in the region. This includes upholding the rules-based order in the Indo-Pacific.. freedom of navigation and overflight; increase connectivity..." countering terrorism and upholding maritime security. Japan too issued a similar statement as did the US.

But while US, Australia and Japan emphasised talks on the DPRK nuclear issue, MEA's spokesperson however skipped the discussion on North Korea in their readout.
Raveesh Kumar said, "They agreed that a free, open, prosperous and inclusive Indo-Pacific region serves the long-term interests of all countries in the region and of the world at large. The officials also exchanged views on addressing common challenges of terrorism and proliferation linkages impacting the region as well as on enhancing connectivity."

On Monday, after the opening ceremony, Modi is scheduled to visit the well-known rice research institute, which has been instrumental in helping India evolve its own rice varieties. In the afternoon, he will have a bilateral summit with Trump, to be followed by a meeting with Duterte, president of Philippines.
India has managed to work productively with the Trump administration thus far — its South Asia strategy and Asia-Pacific strategy closely hews to the Indian point of view. Indian sources say that for the present, the US and India are on the "same page"when it comes to both Afghanistan and China.Trump openly re-named the Asia-Pacific to become the new Indo-Pacific, a sign that the US would put India front and centre in its Asia strategy. This has several connotations — including cooperative security strategies in the Indian Ocean and western Pacific. For the first time earlier this week, an Indian warship in the East China Sea was refueled by a US ship, one of the first occasions of the LEMOA being put into action.

While all four members deny any connection of the quadrilateral to China, there is absolutely no doubt that the precipituous rise in Chinese power has led these four countries to balance that rise and perhaps contest the new hegemon.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...-pacific-cooperation/articleshow/61617951.cms

Bandung declaration clause 6a
Abstention from the use of arrangements of collective defence to serve any particular interests of the big powers

India is a signatory.... No ?

 

[RISING SUN]

Bandung declaration clause 6a
Abstention from the use of arrangements of collective defence to serve any particular interests of the big powers

India is a signatory.... No ?

Selective clauses use is equal to serve country's own interests. India is learning from China's experience in that. Thank you.

A 10-point "declaration on promotion of world peace and cooperation," incorporating the principles of the United Nations Charter was adopted unanimously:

1. Respect for fundamental human rights and for the purposes and principles of the charter of the United Nations
2. Respect for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all nations(?)
3. Recognition of the equality of all races and of the equality of all nations large and small
4. Abstention from intervention or interference in the internal affairs of another country
5. Respect for the right of each nation to defend itself, single or collectively, in conformity with the charter of the United Nations(?)
6. (a) Abstention from the use of arrangements of collective defence to serve any particular interests of the big powers (b) Abstention by any country from exerting pressures on other countries(?)
7. Refraining from acts or threats of aggression or the use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any country(?)
8. Settlement of all international disputes by peaceful means, such as negotiation, conciliation, arbitration or judicial settlement as well as other peaceful means of the parties own choice, in conformity with the charter of the United Nations
9. Promotion of mutual interests and cooperation
10. Respect for justice and international obligations.(?)

@Nan Yang Can you specifically speak China's actions on points 2, 5, 6(b), 7, 10? China did what it thought was in its best interests. India has been keeping note of China strategy and actions and improvising on that and India doesn't need to justify any thing to China when it was China only which again squandered off the chance to have peace in Asian region (no need to far off in past, just previous quadrilateral meet which India disbanded on Chinese concerns and what it got in back isn't hidden from anybody. Thank you.

@hellfire @Joe Shearer @anant_s @Chinese-Dragon @madokafc

 

[AMDR]

The Quad™ is back after almost a decade. It was only a matter of time.....

 

[Nike]

Selective clauses use is equal to serve country's own interests. India is learning from China's experience in that. Thank you.

A 10-point "declaration on promotion of world peace and cooperation," incorporating the principles of the United Nations Charter was adopted unanimously:

1. Respect for fundamental human rights and for the purposes and principles of the charter of the United Nations
2. Respect for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all nations(?)
3. Recognition of the equality of all races and of the equality of all nations large and small
4. Abstention from intervention or interference in the internal affairs of another country
5. Respect for the right of each nation to defend itself, single or collectively, in conformity with the charter of the United Nations(?)
6. (a) Abstention from the use of arrangements of collective defence to serve any particular interests of the big powers (b) Abstention by any country from exerting pressures on other countries(?)
7. Refraining from acts or threats of aggression or the use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any country(?)
8. Settlement of all international disputes by peaceful means, such as negotiation, conciliation, arbitration or judicial settlement as well as other peaceful means of the parties own choice, in conformity with the charter of the United Nations
9. Promotion of mutual interests and cooperation
10. Respect for justice and international obligations.(?)

@Nan Yang Can you specifically speak China's actions on points 2, 5, 6(b), 7, 10? China did what it thought was in its best interests. India has been keeping note of China strategy and actions and improvising on that and India doesn't need to justify any thing to China when it was China only which again squandered off the chance to have peace in Asian region (no need to far off in past, just previous quadrilateral meet which India disbanded on Chinese concerns and what it got in back isn't hidden from anybody. Thank you.

@hellfire @Joe Shearer @anant_s @Chinese-Dragon @madokafc

Cherry picking clause is Chinese forte lately, like what they did to unclos.

 

[Ryuzaki]

India should not join any such Quad untill Australia is removed.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Why is there no Chinese person on this thread? This is a topic of extreme relevance.

@Martian2 @beijingwalker @TaiShang et al

 

[Sanchez]

@MOD：this thread does not belong here！

BTW why should Chinese be concerned with a new bottle filled with the same of old shiit？

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

@MOD：this thread does not belong here！

BTW why should Chinese be concerned with a new bottle filled with the same of old shiit？

Firstly this is exactly the place for this thread.

Second, you are kidding yourselves if you to think that China doesn't care. This is the hottest topic under discussion among Chinese foreign policy analysts right now.

Third, this is no old bottle. The feelings against China have hardened in each of these four places. This is pretty much the final warning shot. I had predicted this would happen.

You must realize that if you harm the interests of various other states, they will band together.

 

[Martian2]

Why is there no Chinese person on this thread? This is a topic of extreme relevance.

@Martian2 @beijingwalker @TaiShang et al

The Indo-Pacific Quadrilateral Coalition meeting is not interesting.

India refuses to allow the United States to establish permanent American bases in India.

Australia refuses to allow the United States to establish permanent American bases in Australia.

Japan has American bases that were created after World War II. China can easily destroy the American bases in Japan with missiles.

The strategic picture has not changed at all. A meeting was held that did not change the status quo.

Give me a call when the US has permission to establish a multi-billion military base in India or Australia. That would be worth discussing.

An Indo-Pacific Quadrilateral Coalition meeting without any substance is pretty pointless.

 

[Martian2]

Interestingly it happened very silently, almost sudden and unexpected.

Probably when Chinese were busy with NK.

Anyway, there is already a warning let out by Chinese Govt already

Time to see how strong Malcolm is.

China warns Quad meeting 'to avoid politicising or excluding parties'
The quadrilateral meeting of officials of the four countries in Manila has been followed closely by Beijing and strategic experts in China.

Ananth Krishnan | Edited by Ekta Handa
November 13, 2017 | UPDATED 15:48 IST
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A statement from India on Sunday said the meeting focused on


China on Monday said that regional cooperation groupings should "avoid politicising or excluding" countries, reacting warily to the first ever meeting of officials from India, United States, Japan and Australia in a decade.

The quadrilateral meeting of officials of the four countries in Manila - their leaders decided to have lower-level diplomats meet in a cautious beginning - has been followed closely by Beijing and strategic experts in China, coming on the heels of the Donald Trump administration rolling out an "Indo-Pacific" strategy that suggests a more broad approach to the region.

None of the four countries mentioned China in their readouts of the meeting. A statement from India on Sunday said the meeting focused on "issues of common interest in the Indo-Pacific region".

"The discussions focused on cooperation based on their converging vision and values for promotion of peace, stability and prosperity in an increasingly inter-connected region that they share with each other and with other partners," the statement said.

"They agreed that a free, open, prosperous and inclusive Indo-Pacific region serves the long-term interests of all countries in the region and of the world at large. The officials also exchanged views on addressing common challenges of terrorism and proliferation linkages impacting the region as well as on enhancing connectivity."

Japan said the meeting "discussed measures to ensure a free and open international order based on the rule of law in the Indo-Pacific", while the United States said "the officials examined ways to achieve common goals and address common challenges in the region, such as upholding the rules-based order in the Indo-Pacific, including freedom of navigation and overflight, respect for international law, and the peaceful resolution of disputes."

In a measured reaction, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Geng Shuang said that in Beijing's view "whether the region is [called] Asia-Pacific or Indo-Pacific, it should correspond with the trend of the times and the trend of the world."

"The relevant proposals should be open and inclusive and conducive to win-win cooperation, and should avoid politicising or excluding relevant parties," Geng added.

Beijing has reacted warily to the "Indo-Pacific" approach, viewing it as aimed at supporting a more prominent role for India in an interconnected region and, some Chinese analysts say, also aimed at diluting China's influence.

Geng said China hoped "policies made and actions taken by relevant parties can correspond with the trend of the times, featuring peace, cooperation, friendship and development and be conducive to upholding regional peace, prosperity and stability."

He added that it was China's "consistent foreign policy" that it would "welcome development of friendly cooperation between relevant countries, and we hope this will not be directed at a third party."


Ok, its all pointless

So ask the CCP Govt stop whining on pointless issue and making fool of itself.


Good question

Yet Chinese Govt makes itself look like an attention seeking 4 year old by issuing a warning over it already


perhaps extreme shame over how toothless CCP is over taking any action against this.

Despite braying around the omnipotence of CCP


Good catch


Any specific reason?

Give me a break. Nothing happened at the meeting.

Australia has repeatedly asked the United States to sell F-22s to Australia. The United States has refused for years. Nothing has changed. The US answer is still "no."

Australia wants to buy F-22s. It can't have them.

The United States wants permanent American bases in India and Australia. It can't have them.

See? Nothing worth discussing happened at the Quadrilateral meeting.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Give me a break. Nothing happened at the meeting.

Australia has repeatedly asked the United States to sell F-22s to Australia. The United States has refused for years. Nothing has changed. The US answer is still "no."

Australia wants to buy F-22s. It can't have them.

The United States wants permanent American bases in India and Australia. It can't have them.

See? Nothing worth discussing happened at the Quadrilateral meeting.

Why are getting all hyped up ?

Read my post again

Ok, its all pointless

So ask the CCP Govt stop whining on pointless issue and making fool of itself.

I fully acknowledge your point that this meeting is "pointless"

So "pointless" that Chinese Govt issued a warning for it.