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Putin: Russia-China Military Alliance Can't Be Ruled Out
Russian President Vladimir Putin says there is no need for a Russia-China military alliance now but the idea of a future one can’t be ruled out.

By Associated Press, Wire Service Content Oct. 22, 2020, at 3:15 p.m.

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BY VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV, Associated Press

MOSCOW (AP) — Russian President Vladimir Putin said Thursday there is no need for a Russia-China military alliance now, but noted it could be forged in the future.


Putin's statement signaled deepening ties between Moscow and Beijing amid growing tensions in their relations with the United States. The Russian leader also made a strong call for extending the last remaining arms control pact between Moscow and Washington.

Asked during a video conference with international foreign policy experts Thursday whether a military union between Moscow and Beijing was possible, Putin replied that “we don't need it, but, theoretically, it’s quite possible to imagine it.”

Russia and China have hailed their “strategic partnership,” but so far rejected any talk about the possibility of their forming a military alliance.

Putin pointed to the war games that the armed forces of China and Russia held as a signal of the countries' burgeoning military cooperation.

Putin also noted that Russia has shared sensitive military technologies that helped significantly boost China's military potential, but didn’t mention any specifics, saying the information was sensitive.

“Without any doubt, our cooperation with China is bolstering the defense capability of China's army," he said, adding that the future could see even closer military ties between the two countries.

“The time will show how it will develop,” the Russian president said, adding that “we won't exclude it.”

Russia has sought to develop stronger ties with China as its relations with the West sank to post-Cold War lows over Moscow's annexation of Ukraine's Crimea, accusations of Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. presidential election and other rifts.

Putin on Thursday emphasized the importance of extending the New START treaty that expires in February, Russia's last arms control pact with the United States.

Earlier this week, the United States and Russia signaled their readiness to accept compromises to salvage the New START treaty just two weeks ahead of the U.S. presidential election in which President Donald Trump faces a strong challenge from former Vice President Joe Biden, whose campaign has accused Trump of being soft on Russia.

New START was signed in 2010 by then-U.S. President Barack Obama and then-Russian President Dmitry Medvedev. The pact limits each country to no more than 1,550 deployed nuclear warheads and 700 deployed missiles and bombers, and envisages sweeping on-site inspections to verify compliance.

Russia had offered to extend the pact without any conditions, while the Trump administration initially insisted that it could only be renewed if China agreed to join. China has refused to consider the idea. The U.S. recently modified its stance and proposed a one-year extension of the treaty, but said it must be coupled with the imposition of a broader cap on nuclear warheads.

The Kremlin initially resisted Washington's demand, but its position shifted this week with the Russian Foreign Ministry stating that Moscow can accept a freeze on warheads if the U.S. agrees to put forward no additional demands.

Putin didn't address the issue of the freeze on warheads, but he emphasized the importance of salvaging New START.

“The question is whether to keep the existing treaty as it is, begin a detailed discussion and try to reach a compromise in a year or lose that treaty altogether, leaving ourselves, Russia and the United States, along with the rest of the world, without any agreement restricting an arms race,” he said. “I believe the second option is much worse.”

At the same time, he added that Russia “wasn’t clinging to the treaty” and will ensure its security without it. He pointed at Russia's perceived edge in hypersonic weapons and indicated a readiness to include them in a future pact.

“If our partners decide that they don’t need it, well, so be it, we can’t stop them,” he said. “Russia’s security will not be hurt, particularly because we have the most advanced weapons systems."

Despite indications earlier this week that Russia and the U.S. were inching closer to a deal on New START, the top Russian negotiator said that “dramatic” differences still remain and strongly warned Washington against making new demands.

Sergei Ryabkov cautioned the U.S. against pressing its demand for more intrusive control verification measures like those that existed in the 1990s and aren’t envisaged by the New START. The diplomat argued that new control mechanisms could be discussed as part of a future deal, saying firmly that Russia will not accept the demand that amounts to “legitimate espionage.”

“If it doesn't suit the U.S. for some reason, then there will be no deal,” Ryabkov was quoted by the Interfax news agency as saying.

 
Last time they collaborated, it was vietnam, imagine what they can do now.

Theres a thing called realism. Nato must accpet that its not the only one with big guns.
 
Last time they collaborated, it was vietnam, imagine what they can do now.

Theres a thing called realism. Nato must accpet that its not the only one with big guns.
Nato is only US, other small players are negligible, only 3 countries can tip the balance of a large scale war in the world, US, Russia and China.
 
... Putin also noted that Russia has shared sensitive military technologies that helped significantly boost China's military potential, but didn’t mention any specifics, saying the information was sensitive.

“Without any doubt, our cooperation with China is bolstering the defense capability of China's army," he said, ...

Well, well, well. Would be interesting to see some details of this.
 
Vladimir Putin warns of Russia-China alliance with three times the tanks & warships of US & 6,810 combined nukes

  • 23 Oct 2020, 13:48
  • Updated: 23 Oct 2020


VLADIMIR Putin has hinted about a future military alliance between Russia and China that would be more powerful than the US.

The two powers combined would outnumber the US Army some two to one, have three times as many tanks and warships, and have more nuclear weapons.

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Missile launchers rumble through in Moscow during a military paradeCredit: Getty Images - Getty

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Vladimir Putin hinted of a new alliance between Russia and ChinaCredit: AP:Associated Press


China and Russia have the world's second and third most powerful militaries - and a formal alliance could help tip the scales against the US.

Putin signaled deepening ties between Moscow and Beijing as both have ongoing tensions with Washington.

Russia continues to try and thrash out a new arms treaty, while facing ongoing allegations of election interference in the US along with military tensions in Eastern Europe and the Middle East.

China meanwhile has seen relations with the US plunge to new lows due to the coronavirus pandemic and rows over the South China Sea and Taiwan.


Vlad was quizzed on whether he could envision a military alliance between Moscow and Beijing during a conference call on Thursday.

He replied: "'We don't need it, but, theoretically, it's quite possible to imagine it."

Russia and China have hailed their "strategic partnership", but have so far stopped short of creating a formal military alliance.

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It would be worrying for the rest of the world as well, especially if Donald Trump wins the US election on November 3.

Trump has long insisted on an "America First" policy, and wants the US to have less involvement in foreign conflicts while also showing scepticism over alliances such as Nato.

Russia and China would outnumber the US - and every other military in the world - but also have advantages in several key areas.

However, even combined the two massive nations lag behind the US in military spending - with a duel total of $302billion, compared to America's mammoth $430billion.

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China has the largest number of active soldiers in the worldCredit: AFP or licensors
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Russia and China combined would have 3.2million troopsCredit: Alamy Live News


Russia and China would outnumber the US two-to-one in terms of active military personnel, comparing 3.2million to 1.4million.

They would also have a vastly larger fleet of tanks - with 16,450 total - and warships, with a total of 1,380.

And with Russia already having the largest nuclear stockpile in the world, combining with China's nukes pushes them in further ahead.

The US however would maintain advantages in some areas, such as having many more warplanes - with 13,264 compared to 7,373.

Aircraft carriers are also one of the most important ways of projecting power worldwide - and the US have 11 with two more under construction.

China has two with one under construction, and Russia has just one extremely old vessel - with the infamous, smoke belching Admiral Kuznetsov.

The US has as many aircraft carriers as the rest of the world combined, and the weapons are essential to asserting global dominance since World War 2.

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Russia and China would have three times as many warshipsCredit: Alamy Live News
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And an alliance would give them three times as many tanksCredit: Getty Images - Getty
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Putin said recent war games Russia and China have carried out highlight how well the two country's cooperate.

He also hinted that Russia has shared military technology with China, but declined to go into any specifics.

"Without any doubt, our cooperation with China is bolstering the defense capability of China's army." Putin said.

"Time will show how it will develop. We won't exclude it."

Putin has been key in pushing Russia to develop new weapons, including modernising its nuclear weapons.

He has repeatedly pushed for his country to be on the forefront of development of technologies such as hypersonic missiles, seen as a new frontier in weapons tech.


Putin however did say he continues to be eager to signing a new weapons treaty, with the New Start agreement set to expire in February.

The deal was signed in 2010 with US President Barack Obama, and the pact act limits each country to no more than 1,550 deployed nuclear warheads and 700 deployed missiles and bomber.

Trump has however said they would only renew the agreement if China also joins, but Beijing has refused.

US officials are now trying to push through a new agreement - with the Trump administration keen to do so before the election - with a one-year extension.


Putin said: "The question is whether to keep the existing treaty as it is, begin a detailed discussion and try to reach a compromise in a year or lose that treaty altogether, leaving ourselves, Russia and the United States, along with the rest of the world, without any agreement restricting an arms race.

"I believe the second option is much worse."

He added: "If our partners decide that they don´t need it, well, so be it, we can´t stop them.

"Russia´s security will not be hurt, particularly because we have the most advanced weapons systems."

 
There is a high possibility of this alliance in near future, the continuous bashing of both of these countries by the west has definitely gave them ideas / reasons.
 
Chinese should never trust the Russians who are a dying nation from the inside.

Russians will backstab the Chinese at the first chance they get.
 
This is a stark message to EU states and states and territories in Russia and China periphery. States like Ukraine, Poland, Taiwan, india and so called quad. These states often act as US proxy to attack Russian and Chinese interest and punch above their weight. Political leadership in these countries often forget doing so they are risking existence of their state.

With alternative payment systems and digital currency wave, we will witness Bretton Woods order slowly crumbles. Sanction, FATA and whatever instruments west used thus far will see unceremonious demise.

In military front, Russia and China operationalizing weapon systems that render US and NATO conventional power projection capabilities and postures making threat ineffective. Not only that, as US and west spending and scrambling to catch up, Russia and China already prepared set of antidotes to tackle whatever US and west can come up with in future. This is unprecedented and played out much away from MSM focus.

It is for sure economic, geo political and military dynamics are to see drastic shift in coming years and even months. Smaller states have much at stake to position themselves through this transition and beyond.

At Valdi club (https://valdaiclub.com/) another stark statement delivered by Putin to Russia's ill wishers "We only worried about how not to catch cold at your funeral". Perhaps that sums up for many playing game.
Well, well, well. Would be interesting to see some details of this.

It is already known Russia has and are helping China with ballistic missile detection and encountering capabilities. And in large extent building integrated missile detection and prevention capability with China. This was direct response to US initiative to build THAD in Japan and in South Korea. Since, Russian and Chinese joint effort, Japan and South Korea dragging their foot on US push.

Another potential area China and Russia most likely join hand is space based systems.
 
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Sounds like NATO suddenly found a reason to exist. :enjoy:
Nato never needs a reason, it's all US, without US, Nato is nothing. and in case of war, smaller Nato states will never follow a suicide mission with US to attack Russia or China.
Want to see how other Nato states do in wars besides US when taking joint missions, check Korean war and Vietnam war.
 
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