Featured Putin: Russia-China Military Alliance Can't Be Ruled Out

[HalfMoon]

This is garbage thread, all speculation. Just like 99.99% of other threads around. But it will make Pakistani happy to live in lala land. Good luck .

What speculation? The statement was made by Putin himself.

 

[khansaheeb]

This is garbage thread, all speculation. Just like 99.99% of other threads around. But it will make Pakistani happy to live in lala land. Good luck .

Like a Jilted lover, you need to learn to move on and not bitch about it.

 

[xyxmt]

in a fight between tiger and a dog, it would be stupid of you to support a dig.

 

[newb3e]

mitrrrruuunnn DoLund Trump will saaavffeee us!

wah Modi g wh! wahhhh!!!

 

[Figaro]

But I thought Russia cancelled S-400 sales to China and threatened China with intervention if they did not withdraw from 1000 square kilometers of occupied Indian land back in the Summer

 

[HalfMoon]

India is toast now

No more S-400s, AK-203s, Kamov Choppers

SU-30 MKIs, MIG-29s, T-90 tanks etc. will all die a painful death due to lack of spares.

Putin was supposed visit India in October 2020 for the yearly Indo-Russian bilateral summit but he did not visit India.

Indians are running around like headless chickens.

The whole IAF will now be grounded due to lack of spares.

Mao said Tibet is the palm while Ladakh, Nepal, Sikkim, Bhutan and Arunachal are her fingers.

China is now poised take over the fingers. while Pakistan will take over Kashmir & Kargil.

Even Indian puppets like Abdullahs and Muftis have started reading the writing on the wall and making pro China and Pakistan noises.

Don't worry Indians. Modi will say

"Neither is anyone inside our territory nor is any of our post captured" - Indian PM Narender Modi (aka Surrender Modi)

 

[Globenim]

Did Indians think they can start trouble in Russias neighbourhood for kickbacks from the USA and Russia wont notice what India is doing?

Did Indians think Russia depends on India so much they would surrender the benefits of aligning with China?

 

[Chhatrapati]

It'll be funny if the Russians gave a huge middle finger as China did to them in the 70's-80's.

 

[HalfMoon]

It'll be funny if the Russians gave a huge middle finger as China did to them in the 70's-80's.

As of now Putin gave a big middle finger to Modi.

 

[Nityam]

This is truly embarrassing

Did all you jokers even READ what Putin said ? Let me quote him,

"(When) Asked during a video conference with international foreign policy experts Thursday whether a military union between Moscow and Beijing was possible, Putin replied that “we don’t need it, but, theoretically, it’s quite possible to imagine it.”


Do you even understand what that means ?

He said a FLAT OUT NO.

Then he DIPLOMATICALLY Softened the blow saying that IN THEORY everything is possible. It can exist in YOUR IMAGINATION.

The real message being that IN THE REAL WORLD, it is not going to happen. IT IS NOT PRACTICAL.

 

[Globenim]

This is truly embarrassing

Did all you jokers even READ what Putin said ? Let me quote him,

"(When) Asked during a video conference with international foreign policy experts Thursday whether a military union between Moscow and Beijing was possible, Putin replied that “we don’t need it, but, theoretically, it’s quite possible to imagine it.”


Do you even understand what that means ?

He said a FLAT OUT NO.

Then he DIPLOMATICALLY Softened the blow saying that IN THEORY everything is possible. It can exist in YOUR IMAGINATION.

The real message being that IN THE REAL WORLD, it is not going to happen. IT IS NOT PRACTICAL.

lol baby doesnt understand what its talking about and tries to brag with its 1st grade textbook english to adults who know whats going on and can read the situation.

This isnt some random dumbass who blurted that out on Twitter. That is Vladimir Putin sending a signal to the leaders of the world. Putin is not a man who uses empty phrases or indulges in redundant formality. Did you even read the context of that statement? Do you even follow what hes actually talking about here? Forget that, just use your fucking brain. Do you expect the president of Russia a selfimagined superpower, no forget that too, the Vladimir Putin to declare that Russia can not do without an alliance with China or acknowledge that Russia has been cornered by the US so that it would need to? Do you know what maintaining status quo means to Russia? And did you even read the rest of his statement before scrambling to post your naive nonsense? He literally said the exact opposite of what you concluded.

 

[Beidou2020]

Now that India has now become a vassal state of the American empire; Russian and Chinese relations will get much closer.

 

[Nityam]

lol baby doesnt understand what its talking about and tries to brag with its 1st grade textbook english to adults who know whats going on and can read the situation.

This isnt some random dumbass who blurted that out on Twitter. That is Vladimir Putin sending a signal to the leaders of the world. Putin is not the kind to use empty phrases and make redundant statements when he has nothing to say. Did you even read the context of that statement? Do you even follow what hes actually talking about here? Did you even read the rest of his statement before scrambling to post your naive nonsense? He literally said the exact opposite of what you concluded.

This is just Sad.

Let me quote Putin again.

“The time will show how it will develop,” the Russian president said, adding that “we won’t exclude it.”

All he did was refuse to EXCLUDE from any FUTURE potential defence relationship. That is literally the last tool in the box.

Did he say that "he sees potential" ? NO
Did Putin say "it could happen" ? NO
Did Putin say "maybe in the future" ? NO

He used a double Negative when asked about a positive joining of forces. He said "we won't EXCLUDE it".

It literally means, if everything else fails, I will consider China.

Now that India has now become a vassal state of the American empire; Russian and Chinese relations will get much closer.

LOL.

Do you think Russia will ever forget that it was the US-China "friendship" that pushed USSR into containment and eventual break up ?

Russians have a long memory. Rockfeller helped Lenin topple the Czar, but did it make USSR and US any closer ?

 

[kris]

Putin wouldn't make such statement if no prior discussions with China over it were ever made with the Chinese counterparts.

So glad to hear that...

 

[Globenim]

Do you even understand what that means ?

He said a FLAT OUT NO.

Then he DIPLOMATICALLY Softened the blow saying that IN THEORY everything is possible. It can exist in YOUR IMAGINATION.

The real message being that IN THE REAL WORLD, it is not going to happen. IT IS NOT PRACTICAL.

Let me quote Putin again.

“The time will show how it will develop,” the Russian president said, adding that “we won’t exclude it.”

All he did was refuse to EXCLUDE from any FUTURE potential defence relationship. That is literally the last tool in the box.

Thats literally the dumbest conclusion and most infantil interpretation anyone could come up with, even if he had just these snippets of quotes you jumbled all out of order. But are you really trying to double down with the smartass nonsense while already backtracking from your imaginary "not going to happen" to an imaginary "last option" in just one posts?

Again. Did you even read the full quote? The nonsense you are blurting out makes it hard to believe you did. Do you even remotely understand the context and what you are talking about? This isnt your typical Indian Twitter troll conversation you are reading.

Context: The question about alliance was explicitely asked to expand on Putins previous statements highlighting Chinese-Russian cooperation and partnership in planing, developing and economic and scientific exchanges. In the first statement he started to describe relations with the words "I am not even mentioning the term “specially privileged” relations, etc. What matters is not the name but the quality of these ties."
Context: For years Russia has expressed criticism about US block building on its doorsteps and repeatedly calls it out to disturb balance and raise concerns that cant be the basis for trust and healthy relations.
Context: The early 2019 position was that they dont need it and they dont plan it, with the disclaimer that he has an eye on the West building such an alliance with Korea, Japan etc.

The Question: "Here is a follow-up question from China to clarify a bit what you just said. Professor Yan Xuetong wants to ask you a very simple and straightforward question: Is it possible to conceive of a military alliance between China and Russia?"

Putin: "It is possible to imagine anything."
There is nothing you could possibly draw from that over to this infantile "Then he DIPLOMATICALLY Softened the blow saying that IN THEORY everything is possible. It can exist in YOUR IMAGINATION. :lol" line you blurted out. There is no blow. He is not softening anything.

His first statement is not about the alliance and not his actual answer to the question. He is making a distinction between a hypothetical answer and his actual answer. Rationally, he can answer with a yes, but that's a pointless statement, so he is setting hypothetical speech aside from the start and instead answers it by clarifying his actual current position and perspective. You apparently didn't even read the actual answer.

You could have used your brain before posting. You think he would be wasting everyones time on such a dumb and roundabout infantil answer as you construed in your imagination reading random words? Thats Putin, on national TV, with allied representatives on the line, not some butthurt Indian troll who is itching when he hears the word China-Russia relations. He acts and responded the exact opposite way.

Putin: "We have always believed that our relations have reached such a level of cooperation and trust that it is not necessary, but it is certainly imaginable, in theory. We hold regular joint military exercises – at sea and on land in both China and the Russian Federation – and we share best practices in the build-up of the armed forces. We have achieved a high level of cooperation in the defence industry – I am not only talking about the exchange or the purchase and sale of military products, but the sharing of technologies, which is perhaps most important. There are also very sensitive issues here. I will not speak publicly about them now, but our Chinese friends are aware of them. Undoubtedly, cooperation between Russia and China is boosting the defence potential of the Chinese People’s Army, which is in the interests of Russia as well as China. Time will tell how it will progress from here. So far, we have not set that goal for ourselves. But, in principle, we are not going to rule it out, either."
Did you even read the clause before the conjunction in the sentence you refer to? It does not even register in your ridiculous "He said a FLAT OUT NO." nor in "IN THE REAL WORLD, it is not going to happen. IT IS NOT PRACTICAL" interpretation. You seem to have not read anything but the "we dont need it", before jumping to the conclusions that it negates both the subject of the question and along with it your projection of your own perspective on a military alliance on Putin. The qualities he sees in it stand before and after the second clause, before you ask. Can you even properly read and understand English? There is flat out no "flat out no" response to the question asked at all. He does not even negate the subject of the question. The complete opposite. Putin flat out rules out the "no" answer you hoped for. I can't even find a clue where you pulled out the "IT IS NOT PRACTICAL" from. Its seems you just buttered more of your imagination in there.

Well first what he says is past tense so ad verbatim hes just saying why it has not happend yet if we want to go that far, but more importantly hes is saying a military alliance at this point would qualitatively not even add anything to the table, hence is redundant, coming from his a) aversion to pointless labels b) critical stance on US alliance building and c) the diplomatic position that Russia does not seek to escalate and polarize things, which is essentially the only thing formalizing the relation under the label of a military alliance would do at this point.

What you can additionally read inbetween the lines from that is that there is practically nothing that actually stands in the way of an formal military alliance anymore.

Did he say that "he sees potential" ? NO
Did Putin say "it could happen" ? NO
Did Putin say "maybe in the future" ? NO

Wtf is even your point with this part? He didnt say things you made up, so he must have said whatever else you made up? Selective reading is is one thing, but shooting at such obvious strawman?
Did Putin say "we won't nuke India"? NO?
Did Putin say "its not going to happen" ? NO
Did Putin say "its not practical" ? NO
Did Putin say "its the last option" ? NO
Did Putin say all the things I marked as Putins quotes ? YES

He used a double Negative when asked about a positive joining of forces. He said "we won't EXCLUDE it".

It literally means, if everything else fails, I will consider China.

Thats just utter nonsense.

Putin: "Time will tell how it will progress from here. So far, we have not set that goal for ourselves.
But, in principle, we are not going to rule it out, either. So, we will see. Anyway, we are satisfied with the current state of relations between Russia and China in this area."
I dont even know how anyone would need to have that explained. He emphasizes that not having gone for it, for the reason he just provided, does absolutely not mean he is rejecting it, while affirming from three different angles that he keeps holding that card in his hands. Obviously there is also national pride speaking, not just calculated planing. How you pull a "no" or an "if everything else fails" out of that or "a double negative" we can only imagine.

Again, you should to use your brain instead of jumping to conclusions you wish for. What kind of simpleton would even drop his cards and burn bridges on a press panel as you just implied? Just because it would make you happy doesn't mean it makes any sense.

But it doesnt end here, now comes the big fucking "but" disclaimer Putin followed up with, that once again does not even register in your imaginations.
Putin [no pause]: Unfortunately, we have to confront new threats. For example, the intention stated by our American partners to possibly deploy medium- and short-range missiles in the Asia-Pacific Region, of course, raises alarm, and we undoubtedly will have to take reciprocal steps – this fact is self-evident.
Hes not just hinting, hes giving a very concrete example what troubles he has in mind when considering a military alliance with China right after opening up to the consideration. You are not even matching up halfway with the at face value statements.

Hes not just flashing his cards with the mere suggestion and indicating hes ready to play them. Hes giving a stark signal to other players about them. What more is that in two years he changed his tune from "we Russia dont need that and dont have plans, but seeing America building blocks..." to a "our relation does not even need that and so far there is no plan, but that American block thing will require action...". You would not even have this entire conversation about any other nation. That is why its making waves.