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Pushing back against China's One Belt One Road, India AND Japan build strategic 'Great Wall'

TOI/Economic times India are nothing more than a tabloids with cooked up and exaggerated news especially to fool Indians for feel good factor. I have been saying this all the time that anything coming from these websites, should be deleted as junk news at first place to avoid trolling.
 
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CPEC is not a silver bullet, after all CPEC primarily focus on infrastructure projects, only help to build a foundation and reduce business risk and cost in some extent. Pakistan has to manage to build a private investor friendly environment to pave the way to prosperity.
At last a sane response. I for one think this CPEC thingy will benefit Pakistan and India as well. Pakistan will prosper and have a reason not to self destruct and India will be left at peace to continue on its path to prosperity as well. Win win for both. But it all depends on where the earned money goes...thats the big question?
 
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Japan's economy declines very fast, the future is pretty bleak for this small country
 
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http://www.business-standard.com/ar...ternative-to-china-s-obor-117051501273_1.html

Away from the glare of the multi-nation “One Belt, One Road” (OBOR) initiative at Beijing, India and Japan plan to soft launch their own Asia-Africa connectivity project this month. Like OBOR, the Indo-Japanese plan is also predicated on a race for supremacy in the Indian Ocean.

The background for the latter is the discussions held between Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Japanese PM Shinzo Abe when they met for their annual summit at Tokyo last November.


The venue for its launch will be the upcoming annual meeting of the African Development Bank (AfDB) to be held at Ahmedabad from May 22. For both Japan and India, the meeting is a highly significant event to draw attention to their strength as partner nations in a project that demonstrates the same type of ambition as OBOR does.

The setting is also appropriate as it will be made in front of the political leadership of the 78 member countries of the AfDB, including 53 member states from the continent. The annual report will be the occasion for AfDB to launch its African Economic Outlook 2017 Report, jointly produced with OECD and UNDP.

Both India and Japan have decided not to participate in OBOR as each has its own reasons not to be drawn into the multi-continent plan that will be dominated by China. Most of the projects showcased by China at the launch aim to connect the Eurasian landmass and Indo-Pacific maritime routes through a maze of road, rail and port projects hooped through several countries to connect mainland China to markets in both Asia and Europe.

Instead, Japan has proposed a more democratic alternative, building on the maritime route stretching from its shores to Africa, and taking in India along the way. According to the draft discussion paper, accessed by Business Standard, this will also loop in the European market. The key aspect of the Indo-Japanese collaboration emphasises there should be “a free and open Indo-Pacific region, factoring in India’s ‘Act East’ Policy and Japan’s ‘Expanded Partnership for Quality Infrastructure’.” The emphasis on the Indian Ocean is significant as OBOR also includes a maritime plan with the same level of energy.

India and Japan will obviously hope to compete with it building ports in friendly nations to expand mutually reinforcing trade.

The stress on a “free ocean” in the document is a nod to Japan’s discomfort about the way China has made inroads into South China Sea and is extending its reach into the Indian Ocean, drifting close to India with a ring of ports. India has also made its discomfort clear about the Chinese position. The other elements of the Indo-Japanese plan recognise India’s Act East policy — its bid to reach out to its neighbours and beyond in Southeast Asa but which is again getting stymied by China’s active wooing of Myanmar, India’s road to the region.

The plan as a paper prepared by the Japan External Trade Organisation (Jetro) shows it is still in the drafting stage and at least a year away from being committed to by the concerned countries. Consequently, there is no mention of any level of investment that would follow through. Japan clearly has a strong ability to construct infrastructure and the financial depth to underwrite those, and that is what it intends to do in the African continent. The partnership will initially “focus on countries on the eastern coast of Africa... In the initial phase, seven countries on the east coast — Ethiopia, Somalia, Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, Mozambique and South Africa may be taken up”. Yet as Japan has little if any contact with these nations, India’s far broader reach will be critical to deliver on these promises. It is this combination that New Delhi and Tokyo will seek to build upon.
 
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I am sure china will do whatever is in its best interest , the same way US handled pakistan in the last few decades. And if history is any guide, I seriously doubt pakistani ability to use this opportunity to do well for itself.

I suspect the chinese will find it more comfortable to work with the military too, so the civilian govt. will continue to remain in ICU. Not that I am complaining.
A fair criticism, but I'd say that times have changed.

While I've never believed the massive hype around CPEC, it is a good opportunity for Pakistan to change itself, one that I truly believe that Pakistani politicians recognize.

Wah! What India has to do anything with CPEC. India's rank is irrelevant in this thread. You do realize that ranking of India-China-Pakistan are still under most corrupt category. It's still worst. I don't claim a moral high ground citing we ranked above or below China.
Funny, because it seems like you're literally back tracking on your own views.
 
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We dont sell ourselves from One master to another unlike our neighbors

Other countries want to work togeher with India ; because we are a Capable nation
We dont go around with a Begging bowl
Modi has been begging since he was elected
 
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https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/japan-wants-pakistan-to-open-cpec-for-other-countries.496162/

lol, I guess Indian like to be slapped again and again on face````I reckon, Japan ditch the stupid idea of teaming up with India to do stuff when looked at India's primitive inflated economy, lousy industrial base and backward technological know-how````at end the day, Japanese are not as deluded as Indian
Comes from a country who criticize and defame Japs in every other forum. I mean, the Chinese hate Japs more than anyone. Going head on in most of the forum and China makes propaganda about the Japs, too much hate is spewed in from young ages and a recent study conducted shows 90% of Chinese express a negative view on Japan.

But when it comes to PDF they are anti-Indian pro Pakistan. Which makes me wonder how many Chinese are actually Chinese:what:. None of the Chinese I met abroad are skeptical about India. Are more angered by America or the EU.

On topic, the news is only in Pakistani media:lol:. That too by a Japanese diplomat in the regular diplomatic language. No weight at all. Japanese are investing a lot in India, but unlike China they don't have any inside deals.:coffee: And above all, are affordable.
 
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http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2017/05/18/editorials/obor-oh-boy/

OBOR? Oh boy

For years, China’s leadership followed the guidance of former leader Deng Xiaoping, who urged the country to “hide our capacities … maintain a low profile and never claim leadership.” Last weekend marked the end of that era as President Xi Jinping hosted an international gathering that sought to sell Beijing’s “One Belt, One Road” (OBOR), a multitrillion dollar regional infrastructure initiative. Xi’s “project of the century” has many purposes, not least of which is assertion of China’s leading role in Asia and beyond, a bid to fill a vacuum that is emerging in the wake of the Trump administration’s “America First” approach.

Economists and experts reckon that there is a $5 trillion shortfall in infrastructure — roads, ports, railways and power facilities that provide the very foundation of economic development — in Asia and its periphery. China’s leaders see that gap as an opportunity — a way to make friends, spur demand for Chinese goods and services, and expand Beijing’s influence.

To do so, Chinese planners and strategists have drawn on age-old iconography, that of the Silk Road, and fashioned a modern construct around it, one that will extend past Central Asia and the Indian Ocean and extend all the way to Europe. The Silk Road Economic Belt aims to re-create and expand those land-based trading routes; the 21 Maritime Silk Road does the same for maritime routes. Together, they constitute the OBOR initiative and Xi invited the leaders of countries that would receive OBOR funds and those who would donate to it.

Nearly 70 countries and international organizations gathered Sunday and Monday in Beijing to bless the project. China has identified 65 countries that will join — although in theory it is open to everyone — and they represent about 62 percent of the world’s population and 30 percent of its GDP. While there is no single list of OBOR proposals, nor of the total amount to be invested, China promised to invest at least $113 billion in the effort and it is estimated that 50 Chinese state-owned enterprises have invested in nearly 1,700 projects since 2013. They include high-speed railroads, oil and gas pipelines, and refineries, to name a few. The accounting firm PricewaterhouseCoopers tallied nearly $500 billion in projects and M&A deals in 2016 in OBOR countries — remarkably, a decline from 2015.

For skeptics, OBOR is an attempt to spur demand for Chinese construction and export industries as the domestic economy slows. There is truth to that. But it is also a response to a shortfall in demand in developing nations. In so doing, China assumes a larger role in the region and the world as a provider of public goods and stakes a broader claim to leadership more generally.

This assertion of a leading Chinese role is the most important element of the OBOR project. While Beijing has been moving in this direction — creation of the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB) is another leadership gambit — that effort has accelerated in recent months, spurred by the coming to power of Donald Trump in the United States and his “America First” mentality. Xi first staked out this position at the World Economic Forum meeting in January, when he positioned himself as the guardian of a liberal and open world trading order.

The OBOR meeting attempted to spell out principles for engagement and forge a larger multilateral mechanism, in which China would provide a — albeit a leading — voice. And here the difficulties accumulate. China wanted a large turnout of world leaders to approve the project. While 20 heads of state attended, most were from countries that are dependent on Chinese aid and trade. Only one Western leader participated, Italian Prime Minister Paolo Gentiloni, representing the Group of Seven, and host of that meeting this year. Other notable attendees included Russian President Vladimir Putin and Christine Lagarde, managing director of the International Monetary Fund.

There were no senior government figures from Japan, the U.S. or South Korea (although Toshihiro Nikai, secretary-general of the ruling Liberal Democratic Party, attended the conference), as those governments worried about the long-term designs and content of the OBOR plan. Those concerns were born out when European participants protested and refused to sign the statement on trade cooperation released after the meeting because it did not mention transparency and standards for making tenders. India sent no representatives. It has boycotted OBOR because parts of the project partner with Pakistan and run through the disputed territory of Kashmir, which Delhi and Islamabad both claim.

China is also facing resistance from some recipients of its investment. They complain that money does not go to local economies or ends up in the pockets of government officials. Critics charge that China brings its own construction crews and support staffs — part of that effort to stimulate the Chinese economy — incurring charges of “neo-imperialism.”

In other words, skepticism about Chinese intentions remains high. Beijing must address these concerns if the OBOR plan is to serve its ultimate goal of providing the cornerstone of a regional and global order. There is a long way to go.
 
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Two adjoining neighbours are building a road-link? Fascinating!

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Even this OBOR will end up in bits and pieces sometime. Govt change, and its success primarily depend upon participating countries. Good luck to them.

However India cant match China dollar for dollar in money. I advocate India use its money to develop its internal regions, promote industry, river linking rather than to take a lead in futile investments in other countries. When you develop we get more clout along with Economy and Defence.
 
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