Purpose of S-400 and Rafale is to hit Pakistani aircraft inside Pakistani air space

[Figaro]

I’m sure JF17 is going to be the first to kill Rafale .. who else thinks the same? Raise your hands

JF-17 has the strongest BVR capabilities out of any Pakistani fighter aircraft so it is highly likely

 

[mingle]

Mother called him BS Diarrhoea, when she sees him on the tv, she says that's my lad coming out with BS and also speaking verbal diarrhoea

@Rafi sb I feel ur prediction about J10C is about to fruition once materialized I will be congratulate you once again

 

[Xerxes22]

Well if you going ride the fantasy train, then a Pakistani F 16 was also shot down. So where is the humiliation.

Well what fantasy train u idiot? no one can blame me for name calling after having to hear this bs response from indians. what fantasy you idiot? WAS THAT A FANTASY THAT 2 OF YOUR JETS GOT SHUT DOWN? was it a fantasy that u r pilot with that funny mustache got caught nd was beaten bloody by PAK villagers? That the Pak army men came and rescued him? that they treated that imbecile respectfully? Wat Fantasy you refer to ? There was pictures, evidence, videos and datas that 2 indian planes got shot down by PAK fighter jets. And there was no evidence of any loss from the PAK side. You claimed one jet was lost, But failed to provide data and there was no pictures or evidence of any sort to support that claim. ALSO THE PAK AIR FORCE SHOWED THAT ALL THE JETS WITH ALL THE SERIAL NUMBERS WERE ACTIVE AND NONE WERE LOST. Shameful liars.

 

[airmarshal]

The Turkish folks have successfully shown how to subdue the military gadgets from the Kufr coming from all races, colors and creeds.....

Mashallah! Always happy to see our Turk brothers doing well.

 

[Xerxes22]

It is "not stealthy" according to Indian air marshal but it is mandatory to have Luneburg lens on? We have different imaginary tactics against enemy stealth targets before we actually get our hands on a 5 gen fighter, later most of them proven useless or flawed, stealth and anti-stealth is a whole systematic thing, it consumes a huge amount of time and money.
what kind of a nation has an air marshal underestimating their rival and big mouth in public?

What kinda nation has such a stupid air marshal who underestimates his rivals you ask. THE NATION THAT NEVER HAD A SUN TZU IN IT. The nation that never read the ART OF WAR Plain and simple. Collective indian intelligence is a disgrace to Intelligence itself. Pakistan and China, prepare for victory against this idiotic nation.

 

[Zee-shaun]

We heard similar noises twenty years ago when the MKI was being inducted in IAF. PAF at that time didn't have a homegrown fighter and lacked bvr capability. Today we are a different airforce. We're more powerful, confident and fearless as demonstrated on 27th of February by shooting down a mig and a mki in daylight. Five or thirtysix Rafale's, we are ready to counter the them. Bring it on.

 

[Dr. Abdul Basit]

This from the same joker...and don't forget to add the Raptor of the East to the kill list.

Lol the cloud theory i am sure came from the bollywood, PK Movie, the alien space ship came to India under the cover of cloud

 

[Osiris]

Well what fantasy train u idiot? no one can blame me for name calling after having to hear this bs response from indians. what fantasy you idiot? WAS THAT A FANTASY THAT 2 OF YOUR JETS GOT SHUT DOWN? was it a fantasy that u r pilot with that funny mustache got caught nd was beaten bloody by PAK villagers? That the Pak army men came and rescued him? that they treated that imbecile respectfully? Wat Fantasy you refer to ? There was pictures, evidence, videos and datas that 2 indian planes got shot down by PAK fighter jets. And there was no evidence of any loss from the PAK side. You claimed one jet was lost, But failed to provide data and there was no pictures or evidence of any sort to support that claim. ALSO THE PAK AIR FORCE SHOWED THAT ALL THE JETS WITH ALL THE SERIAL NUMBERS WERE ACTIVE AND NONE WERE LOST. Shameful liars.

As a policy I avoid engaging with filth like you.
Because idiots like you are full of hot air but will have no substance or proof to back up their tall claims. But for a change let's dissect your post.

1. Show me one video , where it shows that an Indian Su 30 has been shot down. Or Show me one video/picture of its wreckage or it 2 Pilots. Etc Anything that proves beyond doubt that a Su 30 was shot down.

2. Also please show where PAF has proven that all PAF jets with all serial numbers are active.

Now don't run away, these are your claims..prove them... don't give me your assumption based on circumstantial evidence.. give irrefutable proof of your claims.

 

[aamirzs]

Actually No ... if this happens S-400 will be moved closer and Pakistan can easily take them out.
and Rafale is no thread .. remember we are adding 24 (official number) JF-17 each year and old one already been upgraded.

 

[mourning sage]

As soon as the S-400 Moves to 200km near IB they will be earmarked for distruction..we will have exact location through humint..we will know what are the shift timings and who lives where and how many kids if married they have..we will even know when they go to Bathroom.

move them near border approximately 200km...then see Raad Mk 2 & 3 and Raptor III smoking it out..i have not even included SRBM Ghaznavi yet..which is upgraded for the job.

By the way ...try shooting down a JF17/Mirage at 300km range inside Pakistan with 40N6E ...what a joke!

Pakistan Airforce has updated herself to engage exactly S400 SAM System most dangerous envelope
250 km (48N6 missile)
120 km (9M96E2 missile)
40 km (9M96E missile

Now remember what we have on mirages? Raad Mk 1/Mk 2/Mk 3, Raptor I/2/3..to start with..

Advanced weopon systems are not meant to be used. They are meant to keep the enemy at bay. The psychological impact of S-400 is big. Knowing that we are operating under the constant eye of the enemy is a bit unnerving.

But then again, same is true for the InAF as well. Our assets may not have range but they cover the most crucial Indian Air bases and that should keep bring in the fear factor within the hearts of the enemy. Equalizing the psychological impact of the recent indian acquisitions.

 

[batmannow]

Hopefully, China does the same to Pak...

China has showen its commitment with PAK in the history.
but that's pakistans side which still looking towards america and west where r the kids of our high officials enjoying thier dam lives?
These croupt and high officials acts as the highly paid colonial slaves who can do anything for thier masters that's the only probelm pakistan is facing since its creation and that includes higher level of our society which are mostly are croupt and who ever tries to remove them he himself gets removed and our history shows it well?
Maybe China has that crouption probelm but they don't give decesion making power to those croupt and Thts why it became huge power these days?
There isn't any country where there isn't any crouption but most of the times not at the level of decesion making level like pakistan if not pakistan would hve gone miles away from others in its region!we been govern by rich Arabic slaves of. usa who are the main sponsors of all the mayhem in pakistan

 

[Iron Shrappenel]

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The Rafale aircraft will give India a strategic advantage in case of any aerial combat with China in the mountainous Tibet region as the fleet will be able to use the terrain to its advantage, destroy enemy air defence and incapacitate the surface-to-air missiles, former Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal (retd) B S Dhanoa said on Sunday.

Dhanoa, known as the architect of the Balakot strikes, said the Rafale jets along with S-400 missile systems will give the Indian Air Force a major combat edge in the entire region and that India’s adversaries will think twice before starting a war with it.

In case of Pakistan, he said the purpose of the S-400 and Rafale is to hit Pakistani aircraft inside Pakistani air space and not when they come inside Indian territory, adding the neighbouring country would not have responded on February 27 last year to the Balakot air strikes if India had the French-manufactured jets then.

In an interview to PTI, Dhanoa said the Rafale, with its fantastic electronic warfare suite and maneuverability, will be able use mountainous terrain in Tibet to its advantage and blind the enemy before India’s strike aircraft penetrate hostile airspace to carry out their missions.

The former Chief of Air Staff also said that the Rafales being supplied to the IAF are much more advanced than the ones being used by the French Air Force as India had asked for something “more” due to requirement to operate in unique conditions like operations from Leh.

Five Rafale jets out of 36 arrived India last week at a time India is in the midst of a bitter border row with China in the high altitude eastern Ladakh region.

“Rafale has got a fantastic Electronic Warfare (EW) suite (SPECTRA), fantastic weapons and therefore are capable of protecting themselves electronically besides being able to use the terrain to their advantage,” Dhanoa said.

“So they (Rafales) can play an important role in doing DEAD (Destruction of Enemy Air Defence) on the Surface-to-Air Missiles that the Chinese have put on Tibet.

“Once you take out those surface to air missiles, then other aircraft like Su30, Jaguars, even Mig 21s can go out and drop the bombs on the Chinese forces. The strike aircraft carrying bombs can put tonnes and tonnes of bombs on the enemy troops, freely carrying out their mission. But if you do not do DEAD then you will suffer a lot of casualties,” he said.

The leading air forces globally carry out Suppression of Enemy Air Defence (SEAD) or DEAD using their top of the line aircraft or weapons before launching any major operation in hostile territories.

As the Chief of Air Staff, Dhanoa had strongly defended the Rafale deal when the opposition parties ramped up attack on the government alleging massive irregularities in the procurement. The top IAF brass led by Dhanoa played a key role in implementation of the mega deal.

“Against China there are big Himalayan mountains in between us which create serious line of sight issues. You can put a missile with a range of 300-400 kms on the ground in Tibet or in India. But it will only work within the line of sight,” he said.

He said the Rafales, with terrain following capability, will give India a major capability enhancement.

“In air combat, the first thing that is important is information dominance, you get information and deny the enemy the information. The key role the Rafales will play in Tibet is information dominance and in case of Pakistan, it is a major deterrent. Of course there will be other roles too,” he said.

Asked about the comparison between the Rafales and J-20 fighter jets of China, he said the Chinese aircraft is not stealthy and presently, with its current engines, cannot supercruise unlike the newly-acquired Indian fleet.

In a beyond visual range (BVR) combat, he said Indian missiles are far superior than theirs. The French avionics on board the Rafale are “far superior” than the Chinese systems in J-20s, he said.

“Hence in a BVR environment the Rafales are superior to the J-20s,” he added.

“With the induction of the Rafales we will have a tremendous jump in capability. That’s why I called both (Rafale and S 400) of them game changers. Both these platforms will give the IAF a tremendous capability jump. The Rafale in the air and S-400 on the ground.

In October 2018, India signed a USD 5 billion deal to buy the S-400 air defence missile systems from Russia to bolster the IAF’s air defence mechanism.

The ‘Triumf’ interceptor-based missile system can destroy incoming hostile aircraft, missiles and even drones at ranges of up to 400 km. The delivery of the missile systems is scheduled to begin next year.

“Both S-400 and Rafales are critical game changers. Rafale is a deterrent. The purpose of deterrence is not to fight a war. Purpose of deterrence is to make the other person think twice before he starts a war or a skirmish with you,” he said.

He said the Pakistanis would not have responded on February 27 last year to India’s Balakot strikes if India had the Rafale jets.

In this context, he also mentioned an operation by the IAF to drop bombs on a Pakistani post along the LoC in Kel sector in 2002, and how Pakistani Air Force never dared to respond to it.

“On August 2, 2002, we did bombing of a Pakistani post as the Pakistanis had intruded about 600-700 metres inside the LoC in our area and set up a post. We bombed with four Mirage 2000s and after that the Pakistanis never came back,” Dhanoa said.

“The Pakistanis never ever dreamt of bombing an Indian post in retaliation because we had Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missiles on Mirage 2000, MiG 29 and the Su-30 Ks and they did not have any BVR missiles on any of their fighters,” he recalled.

“They just kept quiet about it and just didn’t acknowledge that something had happened and later on played it low key when the news did break in the international media! That is what is called deterrence,” he added.

Asked whether India should consider procuring two more squadrons of Rafales as it makes operational sense, Dhanoa called it a good idea and said that it will be the “cheapest option” of getting a 4.5 generation fighter into the air force.

“We already have infrastructure for two squadrons. We do not need additional infrastructure for the next two squadrons. They will come, in my assessment, at 60 to 70 per cent of the cost of the current ones,” he said.

“The cost of research and development for all India-specific enhancements have already been covered. The next two squadrons of Rafales will be the cheapest option of getting a 4.5 generation fighter into the air force,” he added.

Dhanoa, who retired as the IAF Chief on September 30 last year, said having two more squadrons of Rafales will give the force a lot of strength.

“If you have 72-80 aircraft, it will match whatever F-16s the Pakistanis have got. It will be good for deterrence,” he said adding it will make economic sense.

Dhanoa also thanked all the people who stood by the Rafale deal, including the defence minister, the civil servants, the then defence secretary, the director general (acquisition) and many others in the government.

“You have to give them full marks, because they stood by it despite many apprehensions. Normally everybody gets scared that this deal may be termed later as a scam and they may be hauled up by the investigation agencies after their retirement, or some other roving inquiry that may happen which may implicate them in the future. These people stood by it; we signed and executed the deal,” he said.

Dhanoa said the political leadership also stood their ground and did not dump the deal.

“They were going into an election. You could have always opted for a soft option of setting up a committee. Everybody stood their ground. The national leadership, the bureaucracy. That is why you have the aircraft,” he added.

Dhanoa also expressed happiness that the first squadron of Rafales will be part of the Number 17 Squadron, also known as ‘Golden Arrows’, based in Ambala.

“I am very happy...I was the last Commodore Commandant of 17 squadron. It got number plated in March 2012. It stopped flying in December 2011. Having celebrated our Diamond Jubilee in October 2011. Last year the Squadron has been resurrected and this year aircraft have finally come to the Squadron,” he said.

“Golden Arrows have a very rich tradition. The Squadron has fought in all the wars. It participated in the Liberation of Goa, 1965 war, 1971 war, and it fought in Kargil,” he added.

Dhanoa commanded the squadron during the Kargil war.

“In case, there is fighting in Eastern Ladakh, we will not miss it,” the Air Chief Marshal (Retd.) said in a lighter vein.

*Fatah -1 has entered the chat*

 

[Tornado23]

*Fatah -1 has entered the chat*

Fatah 1 in its current config does not have the means to counter the s400 threat. The s400's 40N6E missile has a range of 400km. Im not sure if its being exported to india? But still, they will use it to its best strength. The fatah 1 can however engage enemy Airfields, cratering the runways or even hitting the aircraft themselves considering how its a guided MLRS. However the Fatah 1 does counter a good chunk of indian SAMS/SPAA. Such as the shilka, tunguska M1, Akash/NG, barak 8 and Spyder SAM systems.

The real counter to the Rafale in my opinion is the Jf17Blk 3 with the Pl10 and Pl15 and also the J10C with Pl10 and Pl15. That alongside a strong EW force and strong pilot training (which our airforce has alhamdulillah) can counter the rafale threat. S400 is being countered.

 

[GumNaam]

Fatah 1 in its current config does not have the means to counter the s400 threat. The s400's 40N6E missile has a range of 400km. Im not sure if its being exported to india? But still, they will use it to its best strength. The fatah 1 can however engage enemy Airfields, cratering the runways or even hitting the aircraft themselves considering how its a guided MLRS. However the Fatah 1 does counter a good chunk of indian SAMS/SPAA. Such as the shilka, tunguska M1, Akash/NG, barak 8 and Spyder SAM systems.

The real counter to the Rafale in my opinion is the Jf17Blk 3 with the Pl10 and Pl15 and also the J10C with Pl10 and Pl15. That alongside a strong EW force and strong pilot training (which our airforce has alhamdulillah) can counter the rafale threat. S400 is being countered.

Fatah 1 are meant for the scortched earth policy, basically a conventional version of the Nasr.

By the looks of things, rafales were humiliated by the JF-17 blk2s in the Anatolian Eagle exercises in both WVR and BVR engagements...against the blk3, rafales will get straight up slaughtered.

 

[SQ8]

Fatah 1 are meant for the scortched earth policy, basically a conventional version of the Nasr.

By the looks of things, rafales were humiliated by the JF-17 blk2s in the Anatolian Eagle exercises in both WVR and BVR engagements...against the blk3, rafales will get straight up slaughtered.

Unsubstantiated and complete hearsay

Fatah 1 in its current config does not have the means to counter the s400 threat. The s400's 40N6E missile has a range of 400km. Im not sure if its being exported to india? But still, they will use it to its best strength. The fatah 1 can however engage enemy Airfields, cratering the runways or even hitting the aircraft themselves considering how its a guided MLRS. However the Fatah 1 does counter a good chunk of indian SAMS/SPAA. Such as the shilka, tunguska M1, Akash/NG, barak 8 and Spyder SAM systems.

The real counter to the Rafale in my opinion is the Jf17Blk 3 with the Pl10 and Pl15 and also the J10C with Pl10 and Pl15. That alongside a strong EW force and strong pilot training (which our airforce has alhamdulillah) can counter the rafale threat. S400 is being countered.

Having a range of 400km and actually being able go engage a fighter target at 400km successfully are two different things.