Punjabi Taliban preparing for major terror attack
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GOP is responsible for whole mess in Swat , first they did peace deal ,paid million of dollars then they started operation.
I think few enemies of Pakistan including Musharaf regime had planned everything ,present government is just completing their plan.
Pushtoon tribes are true muslim and love their homeland and Pakistan , few black sheaps are behind every thing happening in Pakistan from last 10 years .
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Talibization is not good for Pakistan but present government is responsible for insurgency in Pakistan.
GOP is taking billion of dollars from USA and following their agenda , USA wanted to destroy peace of Pakistan as they did in Afghanistan.
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Thank the Sharif brothers, they are well known terrorist sympathisers and provide shelter to terrorist groups in their province.
See the other provinces are being cleared but we have a fundamentalist in government who is making things difficult to carry out any operation against the terrorist scum.
As for the guy who said talibanisation is good for Pakistan, over my dean body, if this happens I will fight to the last minute to get it repelled.
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Centre, Punjab in row over ‘Punjabi Taliban’ By Syed Irfan Raza
Thursday, 03 Jun, 2010 Chief Minister Punjab Shahbaz Sharif. — Photo by AP Lahore
PPP clinging to coalition despite ‘cold shoulder’ PUNJAB POLITICS
PPP clinging to coalition despite ‘cold shoulder’ ISLAMABAD: The centre and the Punjab government engaged on Wednesday in another was of words, this time on the issue of ‘Punjabi Taliban’.
The row erupted when Interior Minister Rehman Malik accused the Punjabi Taliban of being involved in recent acts of terrorism, including attacks on two places of worship of Ahmadis in Lahore, and also said that they had connections with people in the provincial government.
Punjab Governor Salman Taseer went a step ahead and accused leaders of the Pakistan Muslim League-N of having links with what he called the ‘Tehrik-i-Taliban Punjab’. The interior minister mentioned the banned Lashkar-i-Jhangvi. In a statement issued on Wednesday, Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif accused Mr Malik of trying to create a confrontation among provinces by using the term Punjabi Taliban.
However, the interior minister claimed in a later statement that he had never used the words Punjabi Taliban and had always talked about proscribed organisations involved in extremism and terrorism.
“I have never used the words Punjabi Taliban and I am personally as much against affiliating any terrorist organisation with a province as the chief minister is,” the minister said.
“I have never used a terminology which reflects provincialism, but people know with which names terrorists are being recognised. One can see these names on the internet and in national dailies,” he said.
The minister said he had always talked about terrorist organisations without mentioning which province they belonged to.
Earlier, talking to reporters at a function, Mr Malik said that Lashkar-i-Jhangvi was involved in the attacks on Ahmadis in Lahore.
“Not only the attack on Ahmadis but this organisation was also involved in last year’s attack on the Sri Lankan cricket team in Lahore, on police headquarters in Manawa and many other terrorist activities in the country.”
He said the two suspects captured by people during the attack on Ahmadis belonged to Muzaffargarh and Rahim Yar Khan.
About the chief minister’s statement he said this was not he time for point scoring but for working jointly to curb the menace.
Thursday, 03 Jun, 2010 Chief Minister Punjab Shahbaz Sharif. — Photo by AP Lahore
PPP clinging to coalition despite ‘cold shoulder’ PUNJAB POLITICS
PPP clinging to coalition despite ‘cold shoulder’ ISLAMABAD: The centre and the Punjab government engaged on Wednesday in another was of words, this time on the issue of ‘Punjabi Taliban’.
The row erupted when Interior Minister Rehman Malik accused the Punjabi Taliban of being involved in recent acts of terrorism, including attacks on two places of worship of Ahmadis in Lahore, and also said that they had connections with people in the provincial government.
Punjab Governor Salman Taseer went a step ahead and accused leaders of the Pakistan Muslim League-N of having links with what he called the ‘Tehrik-i-Taliban Punjab’. The interior minister mentioned the banned Lashkar-i-Jhangvi. In a statement issued on Wednesday, Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif accused Mr Malik of trying to create a confrontation among provinces by using the term Punjabi Taliban.
However, the interior minister claimed in a later statement that he had never used the words Punjabi Taliban and had always talked about proscribed organisations involved in extremism and terrorism.
“I have never used the words Punjabi Taliban and I am personally as much against affiliating any terrorist organisation with a province as the chief minister is,” the minister said.
“I have never used a terminology which reflects provincialism, but people know with which names terrorists are being recognised. One can see these names on the internet and in national dailies,” he said.
The minister said he had always talked about terrorist organisations without mentioning which province they belonged to.
Earlier, talking to reporters at a function, Mr Malik said that Lashkar-i-Jhangvi was involved in the attacks on Ahmadis in Lahore.
“Not only the attack on Ahmadis but this organisation was also involved in last year’s attack on the Sri Lankan cricket team in Lahore, on police headquarters in Manawa and many other terrorist activities in the country.”
He said the two suspects captured by people during the attack on Ahmadis belonged to Muzaffargarh and Rahim Yar Khan.
About the chief minister’s statement he said this was not he time for point scoring but for working jointly to curb the menace.
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Militant training camps and militant Hide heavens/recruiting centers are two different places.
Chance of Militant training camps in Punjab could be very rare.
in one of interview of suicide bomber(at Geo conducted by Saleem Safi) ,he admit that he was belong to punjab but trained in Miraan shah ,FATA.
In Faisalabad one of young person had arrested few month ago who links with terrorist and have dump huge ammunition at his home and in besides rented house. His neighbors let me know that he was very young and doing some mysterious job at high salary with new Corolla.
So terrorist could exploit the needy and poor to get safe place for their attacks inside Punjab.Assistance of Madrasass is also not ignorable.
Chance of Militant training camps in Punjab could be very rare.
in one of interview of suicide bomber(at Geo conducted by Saleem Safi) ,he admit that he was belong to punjab but trained in Miraan shah ,FATA.
In Faisalabad one of young person had arrested few month ago who links with terrorist and have dump huge ammunition at his home and in besides rented house. His neighbors let me know that he was very young and doing some mysterious job at high salary with new Corolla.
So terrorist could exploit the needy and poor to get safe place for their attacks inside Punjab.Assistance of Madrasass is also not ignorable.
1st thing 1st, you want to crush the puppets, but not leaving the support of people using them. WHY? 1st thing is to recognize the one who is using them, then the one who are allowing our real enemy to do what ever in our neighboring country. Then, next to compliance our constitution according to article 3/4. Then crushing the puppet might do the job. otherwise will see punjabi taliban, then karachi taliban, then quetta shuara etc, it is never ending process, as the main players are dancing around, while we are bound to kill more people. just because pennies from US. And we(people of pakistan) are paying the price for everything from our money, from our energies, and from our lifes
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Punjab ‘in denial’ over local militants
Tuesday, 08 Jun, 2010
High-profile attacks in Punjab, such as last month's suicide assaults on two Ahmadi mosques in Lahore that killed scores, have outraged and horrified Pakistanis. — Photo by AP Lahore
‘ The government of Pakistan's heartland Punjab province is using militant groups to drum up electoral support, analysts and officials say, preventing it from admitting it has a problem with home-grown militants and from dealing with them.
High-profile attacks in Punjab, such as last month's suicide assaults on two Ahmadi mosques in Lahore that killed scores, have outraged and horrified Pakistanis.
They have also sparked talk of an operation against Punjabi groups along the lines of the Pakistani army's push against Taliban militants on the western border with Afghanistan.
The United States and India are becoming increasingly concerned about Punjab because it is Pakistan's richest and most populous province. Any large-scale insurgency there would almost certainly destabilise Pakistan even more.
But the Punjab government, led by the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) that is in opposition nationally, denies Punjab is hosting militants or that a major operation is needed.
“Let's not open a Pandora's box,” a senior provincial official said, commenting on the possibility of a strong push against Punjab-based militants. “We don't want widespread violence along sectarian lines.”
However, the ruling Pakistan People's Party (PPP), experts on militancy and much of the country's media say the PML-N is playing politics with terrorists in a bid to retain its edge in Punjab's local elections.
The so-called Punjabi Taliban are a loose collection of militant groups that often started out as state-sponsored groups for Pakistan to use as foreign policy tools, but have since slipped the state's leash and become entangled with the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) — the Pakistani Taliban — al Qaeda and with each other in a war against the state.
All are banned by the Pakistani state yet all operate with a degree of openness in Punjab, said Rehman Malik, Pakistan's interior minister and a senior member of the PPP.
Malik surprised many last week when he acknowledged that Lashkar-i-Jhangvi (LJ), Sipah-i-Sahaba-Pakistan (SSP) and Jaish-i-Mohammad (JM) — along with 29 other banned groups — were operating in Punjab and allied with the TTP and al Qaeda.
He also that 726 out of more than 1,700 members of banned groups were from Punjab. It was the first public statement from a senior official at federal level that such a problem exists.
The PML-N and the Punjab provincial government have been more reticent.
“They (the PML-N) don't use the word 'Taliban',” Punjab Governor Salman Taseer, a member of the PPP, told Reuters.
“Call them what they are, Punjabi Taliban or Taliban from Punjab. Don't try to cover them up and say this doesn't exist.”
While the Punjab government, led by Chief Minister Shabaz Sharif of PML-N, has often denounced the TTP and attacks originating in the tribal areas, he and his party have yet to denounce similar attacks by banned Punjabi groups. They have also failed to crack down on public rallies by the groups or move against militant madrassahs.
Rana Sanaullah, the law minister of Punjab and a senior PML-N figure, in February campaigned with the head of the SSP, a group that has said all Shia Muslims should be killed.
Shabaz Sharif was widely interpreted to have appealed publicly to the Pakistani Taliban in March not to attack Punjab because the PML-N also opposed American policy in the region.
He and the PML-N later said his words were taken out of context, but he was widely scorned in the media.
Using vote banks
“I think there's definitely a very mundane desire by the Sharifs to keep these groups on board so they can use their vote banks in elections,” said journalist and analyst Ahmed Rashid, an expert on militancy.
“And obviously these groups are very anti-PPP.”
A PML-N spokesman, Ahsan Iqbal, denied there was anything improper about Sanaullah campaigning for the PML-N with Muhammad Ahmad Ludhianvi, the head of the banned SSP.
“Those 48,000 votes he got, they were not extremists' votes,” Iqbal told Reuters.
“Politics in the rural areas are very tribal and clan based. When the candidates campaign, they try to maximise support.”
“They are just playing politics with Punjab because there is a PML-N government in Punjab,” he said. “It is very bad politics to play politics on the issue of terrorism.”
The United States and India have long demanded a crackdown on militant religious schools, or madrassahs, key recruitment centres for banned groups. However, there has been little such action, as both parties fear a backlash from militant Islamists.
“There are many centres, madrassahs, in southern Punjab, which are run by these hate organisations like Sipah-i-Sahaba, Lashkar-i-Jhangvi and so many of these,” Taseer told Reuters.
“I think you should recognise the fact that there are terrorists in Punjab and deal with them.”
PML-N's Iqbal said that, unlike in Pakistan's northwest where militants had taken control of territories, "not a single inch of Punjab is under the control of terrorist organisations".
He added that while the groups may operate out of mosques or madrassahs, they haven't created a state within a state.
A security official in Punjab, who declined to be identified, said about 4,000 young men affiliated with various militant groups were under surveillance.
Rashid says this is business as usual.
"Is the police going after the head honchos?" he said. "You certainly don't get that sense at all."
A real risk of a push against the groups would be that, with so many armed militants, the state might lose. And even if operations were successful, the militants would likely scatter even more, leading to additional attacks from splinter groups.
"They don't want to create a...security crisis in Punjab," Rashid said. "But actually, there is one already, because the terrorists are not giving up."
Tuesday, 08 Jun, 2010
High-profile attacks in Punjab, such as last month's suicide assaults on two Ahmadi mosques in Lahore that killed scores, have outraged and horrified Pakistanis. — Photo by AP Lahore
‘ The government of Pakistan's heartland Punjab province is using militant groups to drum up electoral support, analysts and officials say, preventing it from admitting it has a problem with home-grown militants and from dealing with them.
High-profile attacks in Punjab, such as last month's suicide assaults on two Ahmadi mosques in Lahore that killed scores, have outraged and horrified Pakistanis.
They have also sparked talk of an operation against Punjabi groups along the lines of the Pakistani army's push against Taliban militants on the western border with Afghanistan.
The United States and India are becoming increasingly concerned about Punjab because it is Pakistan's richest and most populous province. Any large-scale insurgency there would almost certainly destabilise Pakistan even more.
But the Punjab government, led by the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) that is in opposition nationally, denies Punjab is hosting militants or that a major operation is needed.
“Let's not open a Pandora's box,” a senior provincial official said, commenting on the possibility of a strong push against Punjab-based militants. “We don't want widespread violence along sectarian lines.”
However, the ruling Pakistan People's Party (PPP), experts on militancy and much of the country's media say the PML-N is playing politics with terrorists in a bid to retain its edge in Punjab's local elections.
The so-called Punjabi Taliban are a loose collection of militant groups that often started out as state-sponsored groups for Pakistan to use as foreign policy tools, but have since slipped the state's leash and become entangled with the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) — the Pakistani Taliban — al Qaeda and with each other in a war against the state.
All are banned by the Pakistani state yet all operate with a degree of openness in Punjab, said Rehman Malik, Pakistan's interior minister and a senior member of the PPP.
Malik surprised many last week when he acknowledged that Lashkar-i-Jhangvi (LJ), Sipah-i-Sahaba-Pakistan (SSP) and Jaish-i-Mohammad (JM) — along with 29 other banned groups — were operating in Punjab and allied with the TTP and al Qaeda.
He also that 726 out of more than 1,700 members of banned groups were from Punjab. It was the first public statement from a senior official at federal level that such a problem exists.
The PML-N and the Punjab provincial government have been more reticent.
“They (the PML-N) don't use the word 'Taliban',” Punjab Governor Salman Taseer, a member of the PPP, told Reuters.
“Call them what they are, Punjabi Taliban or Taliban from Punjab. Don't try to cover them up and say this doesn't exist.”
While the Punjab government, led by Chief Minister Shabaz Sharif of PML-N, has often denounced the TTP and attacks originating in the tribal areas, he and his party have yet to denounce similar attacks by banned Punjabi groups. They have also failed to crack down on public rallies by the groups or move against militant madrassahs.
Rana Sanaullah, the law minister of Punjab and a senior PML-N figure, in February campaigned with the head of the SSP, a group that has said all Shia Muslims should be killed.
Shabaz Sharif was widely interpreted to have appealed publicly to the Pakistani Taliban in March not to attack Punjab because the PML-N also opposed American policy in the region.
He and the PML-N later said his words were taken out of context, but he was widely scorned in the media.
Using vote banks
“I think there's definitely a very mundane desire by the Sharifs to keep these groups on board so they can use their vote banks in elections,” said journalist and analyst Ahmed Rashid, an expert on militancy.
“And obviously these groups are very anti-PPP.”
A PML-N spokesman, Ahsan Iqbal, denied there was anything improper about Sanaullah campaigning for the PML-N with Muhammad Ahmad Ludhianvi, the head of the banned SSP.
“Those 48,000 votes he got, they were not extremists' votes,” Iqbal told Reuters.
“Politics in the rural areas are very tribal and clan based. When the candidates campaign, they try to maximise support.”
“They are just playing politics with Punjab because there is a PML-N government in Punjab,” he said. “It is very bad politics to play politics on the issue of terrorism.”
The United States and India have long demanded a crackdown on militant religious schools, or madrassahs, key recruitment centres for banned groups. However, there has been little such action, as both parties fear a backlash from militant Islamists.
“There are many centres, madrassahs, in southern Punjab, which are run by these hate organisations like Sipah-i-Sahaba, Lashkar-i-Jhangvi and so many of these,” Taseer told Reuters.
“I think you should recognise the fact that there are terrorists in Punjab and deal with them.”
PML-N's Iqbal said that, unlike in Pakistan's northwest where militants had taken control of territories, "not a single inch of Punjab is under the control of terrorist organisations".
He added that while the groups may operate out of mosques or madrassahs, they haven't created a state within a state.
A security official in Punjab, who declined to be identified, said about 4,000 young men affiliated with various militant groups were under surveillance.
Rashid says this is business as usual.
"Is the police going after the head honchos?" he said. "You certainly don't get that sense at all."
A real risk of a push against the groups would be that, with so many armed militants, the state might lose. And even if operations were successful, the militants would likely scatter even more, leading to additional attacks from splinter groups.
"They don't want to create a...security crisis in Punjab," Rashid said. "But actually, there is one already, because the terrorists are not giving up."
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This is fact that sympathizer,supporter even a uncommitted public is a main strength of terrorist.
if a terrorist organization gain 43000 votes from certain area(that would not more than 35% of total voter) this mean all three above sorts of people responsible for gain of terrorist.
We have use to observe many religious organization agitation against drone attacks and US, but the activities of organization and individuals against terrorism and in Support of Our Great Pakistan Army are nearly zero.
probably that is fear of reaction from terrorist
In my personal experience ,the printer has refused to print me a Stickers to paste on my car and distribute to support PA.
I would also like to share this idea with forum members also.
if a terrorist organization gain 43000 votes from certain area(that would not more than 35% of total voter) this mean all three above sorts of people responsible for gain of terrorist.
We have use to observe many religious organization agitation against drone attacks and US, but the activities of organization and individuals against terrorism and in Support of Our Great Pakistan Army are nearly zero.
probably that is fear of reaction from terrorist
In my personal experience ,the printer has refused to print me a Stickers to paste on my car and distribute to support PA.
I would also like to share this idea with forum members also.
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