Punjab govt decides to celebrate basant

[Salik]

Jaidi doesn't celebrate anything. Even if he gets a lottery of one crore rupees. He buries the feelings in his stomach and shows nothing outside.

Like the Mask swallowing TNT. It explodes inside and nothing affects the outer world.

I am writing a letter to God that the Spring shouldn't come annually. It should come randomly, sometimes once in a year. Sometimes after two to three years and sometimes doesn't even come at all. "Aai Aai, na Aai na Aai"!

 

[waz]

Pure jealousy & hatred shows up if anything Indian or Hindu practices. This mindset is only in Islam. All other religions don't look at things with the lens of religion or Haram & Halaal.

It's sad even if a child is hungry Muslims will not allow the child to eat food if they know it's not halaal. Instead of feeding the hungry child, you have so much of burden for even eating & everything.

Especially if it's some Non-Islamic customs practiced people start bringing in verses of Quran & Hadith.

But the same people don't have any problem with double standards of people when it comes to sleeping around with women. Men will start appreciating the other, how great they are - They forget it's not allowed in Quran to cheat. But again if a women is little modern character or having an affair, they bring in quran's verses & abusive language will be used about her character.

Every person here talking about Sikh & India & quoting Quran & preaching about Islam should ask yourself if you practice Islam fully to preach others. Do you watch TV, Listen to music, watch movies, watch women dance. They should protest to ban movie industry in Pakistan as women should not be allowed to act, model sing or dance. Bhangra belongs to Non-Muslim Indians. Your movies & programs are all trying to mimic or copy Bollywood or Indian programs. There should not be even female TV hosts. They should wear burqa if they host a program

So first ask yourself if you are a true Muslim before coming with these obsessed selective targeting.

This is a similar obsessed cartoon you people will enjoy.

If a Non-muslim or Indian tells the truth in this forum & you know there is no answer you just give negative rating. I am still new to this forum & was surprised with in my first 10 posts I got a negative rating. Don't people have freedom to tell the truth. Immediately it's defended. Anyway I have nothing to lose.What I said is truth & fact, whether you like it or not. YOu can't shut people from truth for long. It's a internet & social media era

No that's incorrect and you seem to be driven by the very bigotry you claim is a signature of the Islamic faith. As for your next point, "All other religions don't look at things with the lens of religion or Haram & Halaal", you come from a country where the ruling government very much looks through the Hindu nationalist lens. I could go on and give countless examples of people from every faith who use faith as their benchmark to pass their judgement.

The child example is utterly ridiculous considering it is a well known fact in Islamic jurisprudence you can eat non-halal food if you are hungry.
As for the double standards regarding sleeping around, that's mostly down to male chauvinism, Islam condemns it outright. If the woman spends her time doing the rounds that's her issue, it's wrong for both sexes.
So let me get this right, watching TV is against Islam? I can't believe what I am reading. Who said this? I suppose you going to pull out a salafi fatwa and blanket every Muslim on the planet with it! Do you realise how diverse the difference of opinion is on such matters? Wait women acting, what's wrong with that?

Bhangra does not belong to non-Muslim Indians. Firstly Bhangra is a Punjabi tradition, which rules out most of Indians they can't understand past the dhol beat. Secondly it's a Punjabi folk tradition, and Pakistan Punjab is part and parcel of this tradition, the famous folk tales e.g. Mirza Sahiba/Jatt, Heer Ranja, Sohni Mahiwal are all Muslim in origin, the Sufi saints of Punjab who composed poetry, and were also friends of the Sikh Gurus were Muslim, the most famous singers of Punjab past and present have been Muslim Pakistani e.g. Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan to Sain Zahoor today. You clearly have't got a clue.....

Muslim women should wear a burka? According to what text? Now I know you are trolling.
Your last paragraph is just an attempt by yourself to play the victim, when you know full well you have come here to troll. I'm not surprised you received a negative rating, there will be repercussions to your comments, and having gone through them above I'm sure it was justified.

Oh and don't lump other non-Muslims with yourself, you've trolled here like many Indian trolls and we are used to this as many have made their way on here .You won't get much sympathy from the Chinese, Americans, Thais, Europeans etc. You remind of the child who initiates a fight with someone and then looks at the crowd watching for support.
Yes, yes, we've all heard the whole speech about how you claim to speak the truth and will not be closed down and so on. That's so yesterday, come up with something new.

 

[Sheena1980]

The child example is utterly ridiculous considering it is a well known fact in Islamic jurisprudence you can eat non-halal food if you are hungry.

Regarding

First of all you should be the last to teach Islam to us.

We know Islam better than you do.

If the child is dying out of hunger then it is permissible to feed the child Haraam food out of necessity.


I am totally against Pakistani movies mimicking Indian bollywood crap. We Pakistanis have nothing in common with you Indians.

Secondly I see nothing wrong with women acting as long as they are dressed modestly according to Islam.

No, in such circumstances it is permissible to eat haram food. I don't know where you're getting this from, but it sounds to me like your knowledge of Islam is not even basic.

I didn't want to reply as It was my personal experience. On my marriage, my elder sister had invited her childhood friend/classmate, who's a Christian married to a Muslim man & she's now a converted Muslim. We know this girl from our childhood.

They live in Bangalore & was invited for my marriage in Kerala. My sister took care of all their lodging & comfort, so they came with their 3 children. On the night before marriage we have a function, where we call the close family & friends & this family also had come.

She stayed till late evening & my sister introduced them to all my family & we all socialised well with in our family & had a nice time. When it was late, the children were hungry & they wanted to eat. I was right there, the father kept reprimanding the children to wait. So I just intervened thinking they are being good to allow our family members to eat first & they will have with us last. Then this man told me No - It's not that. I asked the people serving if the food is Halaal & they said they don't know as it was supplied by a caterer. We had mostly chicken & Mutton dishes & I also said I am not sure. So he said we are not supposed to have Non-Halaal food. The children wanted to have the food & he kept saying we will go after the function & have it outside. I kept noticing the children kept asking & he was very stubborn & rude to the children.

Of-course these things hurt our feelings. What is the problem if he allowed the children to have the food as the children were excited to see the variety of food like any person who attends such marriages or functions. I felt, It's an insult to our hospitality, we invited them with love & took care of all their expenses & lodging & they have such narrow mind.

Even my niece used to go & stay over at their house, because she liked to play with their children 2 daughters & 1 son. But never they bring their children when they visit our house nor they send their children to our house, even if they ask. I told my sister to stop sending my niece to stay over after few times. She's the only child & still we respect the relation, but they have 3 & won't even send 1 to play with her. It shows they don't show the same respect & trust we place on them

I know you can tell this is cooked up story, that's reason I didn't reply to the others. But since you (waz) have quoted me, I thought let me share this. I don't want to debate on others - It will get too long. But what I said it true. I can't prove it.

Anyway I swear on my mother what I said above is my direct personal experience. A normal Hindu will never lie swearing on their mother as mother is considered above God, second is father, then God in Hindus. Rest is your take

 

[PakSarzameen5823]

The children wanted to have the food & he kept saying we will go after the function & have it outside. I kept noticing the children kept asking & he was very stubborn & rude to the children.

That's not a desperate situation, it doesn't count. The children were not going to die if they didn't eat for a couple more hours. If anything, they're the ones being stubborn.

I felt, It's an insult to our hospitality

If you think someone eating halal food insults your hospitality, then I think it's best you don't socialise with Muslims. I'm surprised any of us would even want to interact with a snowflake like yourself.

But never they bring their children when they visit our house nor they send their children to our house

Considering the previous story, I'm not surprised nobody wants to send their kids over to your place. You're just plain weird.

mother is considered above God, second is father, then God in Hindus.

That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. How can you possibly view a piece of meat as higher than the creator of all that exists?

 

[Sheena1980]

That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. How can you possibly view a piece of meat as higher than the creator of all that exists?

Have respect for your mother. In your beliefs it may be piece of meat. For us she's the one who bears the pain & brings the child to this world. Father can only sow the seed, If mother decides not to have the child, the child won't see the world. So for us Mother is the supreme - She's the creator. 2nd is Father.

If your parents don't tell you God exists, there is no God or creator. The parents are your creator. Other creator are just beliefs - People will debate but nobody can prove it. For eg: Ask or Pray to your God to come & tell me or you, he/she is the creator - he/she cant. But ask me show the creator Parents I can show you.

Ask your creator to save Pakistan from the economic crisis by next month. Can he. If he has created he should take care of the created beings. Can he - He cant. It's impossible. Ask your creator to save all the people dying in Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan. Can he. He can't. It's just your belief. If your parents were Hindus, according to you, your beliefs would be similar to mine & you will consider your mother as supreme not a piece of meat. It's only because of your belief taught by your parents, you follow what you follow. Even your first thoughts are created by your parents.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Regarding



I didn't want to reply as It was my personal experience. On my marriage, my elder sister had invited her childhood friend/classmate, who's a Christian married to a Muslim man & she's now a converted Muslim. We know this girl from our childhood.

They live in Bangalore & was invited for my marriage in Kerala. My sister took care of all their lodging & comfort, so they came with their 3 children. On the night before marriage we have a function, where we call the close family & friends & this family also had come.

She stayed till late evening & my sister introduced them to all my family & we all socialised well with in our family & had a nice time. When it was late, the children were hungry & they wanted to eat. I was right there, the father kept reprimanding the children to wait. So I just intervened thinking they are being good to allow our family members to eat first & they will have with us last. Then this man told me No - It's not that. I asked the people serving if the food is Halaal & they said they don't know as it was supplied by a caterer. We had mostly chicken & Mutton dishes & I also said I am not sure. So he said we are not supposed to have Non-Halaal food. The children wanted to have the food & he kept saying we will go after the function & have it outside. I kept noticing the children kept asking & he was very stubborn & rude to the children.

Of-course these things hurt our feelings. What is the problem if he allowed the children to have the food as the children were excited to see the variety of food like any person who attends such marriages or functions. I felt, It's an insult to our hospitality, we invited them with love & took care of all their expenses & lodging & they have such narrow mind.

Even my niece used to go & stay over at their house, because she liked to play with their children 2 daughters & 1 son. But never they bring their children when they visit our house nor they send their children to our house, even if they ask. I told my sister to stop sending my niece to stay over after few times. She's the only child & still we respect the relation, but they have 3 & won't even send 1 to play with her. It shows they don't show the same respect & trust we place on them

I know you can tell this is cooked up story, that's reason I didn't reply to the others. But since you (waz) have quoted me, I thought let me share this. I don't want to debate on others - It will get too long. But what I said it true. I can't prove it.

Anyway I swear on my mother what I said above is my direct personal experience. A normal Hindu will never lie swearing on their mother as mother is considered above God, second is father, then God in Hindus. Rest is your take

Since you do not want to reply it shows you are a coward. We are Muslims who have knowledge about Islam.


If the children are hungry, they can wait till Halal food arrives.

Only if the children are dying of hunger, then can the children eat haraam food in order to survive.

Other than that, you are just trolling.

Don't talk about Islam if you have no knowledge about Islam.

Regarding



I didn't want to reply as It was my personal experience. On my marriage, my elder sister had invited her childhood friend/classmate, who's a Christian married to a Muslim man & she's now a converted Muslim. We know this girl from our childhood.

They live in Bangalore & was invited for my marriage in Kerala. My sister took care of all their lodging & comfort, so they came with their 3 children. On the night before marriage we have a function, where we call the close family & friends & this family also had come.

She stayed till late evening & my sister introduced them to all my family & we all socialised well with in our family & had a nice time. When it was late, the children were hungry & they wanted to eat. I was right there, the father kept reprimanding the children to wait. So I just intervened thinking they are being good to allow our family members to eat first & they will have with us last. Then this man told me No - It's not that. I asked the people serving if the food is Halaal & they said they don't know as it was supplied by a caterer. We had mostly chicken & Mutton dishes & I also said I am not sure. So he said we are not supposed to have Non-Halaal food. The children wanted to have the food & he kept saying we will go after the function & have it outside. I kept noticing the children kept asking & he was very stubborn & rude to the children.

Of-course these things hurt our feelings. What is the problem if he allowed the children to have the food as the children were excited to see the variety of food like any person who attends such marriages or functions. I felt, It's an insult to our hospitality, we invited them with love & took care of all their expenses & lodging & they have such narrow mind.

Even my niece used to go & stay over at their house, because she liked to play with their children 2 daughters & 1 son. But never they bring their children when they visit our house nor they send their children to our house, even if they ask. I told my sister to stop sending my niece to stay over after few times. She's the only child & still we respect the relation, but they have 3 & won't even send 1 to play with her. It shows they don't show the same respect & trust we place on them

I know you can tell this is cooked up story, that's reason I didn't reply to the others. But since you (waz) have quoted me, I thought let me share this. I don't want to debate on others - It will get too long. But what I said it true. I can't prove it.

Anyway I swear on my mother what I said above is my direct personal experience. A normal Hindu will never lie swearing on their mother as mother is considered above God, second is father, then God in Hindus. Rest is your take

You are being unreasonable.

I read your story.

So if the children are hungry and insist on disobeying their religion because they want to eat, the parents should let them do that?

In Islam the parents have a duty to make the children obey the rules of Islam.

Don't try be clever with us, because Islam tells Muslims to be logical or sensible minded.

How about we turn the tables on you.

Suppose there were Hindu children who wanted to eat beef because they were hungry, but their Hindu religion forbids them, but the children insisted on eating the forbidden food according to their religion because they are hungry, would you as a parent let them do that. Or as a Hindu parent would you insist on making his/her children obey their religion?

Time to call a spade a spade now.

 

[Sheena1980]

Since you do not want to reply it shows you are a coward. We are Muslims who have knowledge about Islam.


If the children are hungry, they can wait till Halal food arrives.

Only if the children are dying of hunger, then can the children eat haraam food in order to survive.

Other than that, you are just trolling.

Don't talk about Islam if you have no knowledge about Islam.


You are being unreasonable.

I read your story.

So if the children are hungry and insist on disobeying their religion because they want to eat, the parents should let them do that?

In Islam the parents have a duty to make the children obey the rules of Islam.

Don't try be clever with us, because Islam tells Muslims to be logical or sensible minded.

How about we turn the tables on you.

Suppose there were Hindu children who wanted to eat beef because they were hungry, but their Hindu religion forbids them, but the children insisted on eating the forbidden food according to their religion because they are hungry, would you as a parent let them do that. Or as a Hindu parent would you insist on making his/her children obey their religion?

Time to call a spade a spade now.

See I just don't want to be pulled into unwanted argument, so I keep quiet. Have a rational debate if you want. Why are you bringing beef here. If a Hindu doesn't eat beef - The question of parent telling them not to eat doesn't arise at all because the child will 99.99% never ask the parent they want to eat, if they know it's beef. You are bullsh!tting. You are giving a lame refereral to argue & we were not serving pork in the function

Here the argument is the child wanted to eat the food & the father was giving importance to his obsessed beliefs than the children's happiness. These are not everyday affair. If he doesn't want to eat let him not, why deprive the children, who are craving to have the food. The children are not bothered of whether it's Halal or Haram, so why stop them.

It was a happy occasion. It made me upset to see the sad children. Any body will feel upset when you see this. Why punish the innocent children with your beliefs. I couldn't take my eyes of the children, after I saw the sadness in the children's face. We all were so happy, but this incident put me off.

I tried to just leave the case at what i posted. But anyway let me complete for you & tell you what happened after this. The mother was with my sister & she saw the argument & something wrong with the children & dad. So she went to check & the children told her to tell dad to allow them to have food. She just comforted the children & said it's ok, he's right, you should obey the dad & came off.

My cousin's house was next door. The guests were all around our house & relatives houses surrounding. She spoke to my sister about the issue & asked her if she can arrange to serve the children somewhere else other than the serving area where her husband was sitting talking to my dad & co-brothers. She called the daughters & they pretended to be speaking with ladies & we all laughingly walked to my cousin's house as a normal chit chat affair. Both daughters had the food there. The servers came from back door & served them what ever they wanted to eat. Then the daughters went & sat with dad & she called her son & he also had the food with my niece. It relieved me after I saw the excitement & happiness in the children's face.

She told us, we are going to have a good fight tonight, when I go back, but it's a normal affair, not to worry. If I try to explain him they are children let them eat, he will spoil my beautiful & happy evening & the whole holiday will go for a toss. Let him have his halal food alone in the night & sulk. He deserves it.

There are many incidents like these I have witnessed. I don't want to bring it up to argue unnecessarily. My argument is nothing will happen if you have a food which is not halal. People need to get over these beliefs & integrate with society & behave like how everybody normally behaves

 

[PakSarzameen5823]

Have respect for your mother. In your beliefs it may be piece of meat. For us she's the one who bears the pain & brings the child to this world. Father can only sow the seed, If mother decides not to have the child, the child won't see the world. So for us Mother is the supreme - She's the creator. 2nd is Father.

We do have respect for our mothers, they are considered some of the best of humanity. But we don't overdo it. She is, at the end of the day, just a conscious piece of meat like the rest of us. She is nothing compared to God.

If your parents don't tell you God exists, there is no God or creator.

No, God's existence doesn't depend on my parents. In fact, it is the other way around. Even if my parents didn't tell me about God, God would find another way to spread his message as he always does.

People will debate but nobody can prove it.

It's really not that difficult to give arguments that support what Islam says is the truth.

Ask your creator to save Pakistan from the economic crisis by next month. Can he. If he has created he should take care of the created beings. Can he - He cant. It's impossible. Ask your creator to save all the people dying in Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan. Can he. He can't.

God does what he wills. His plan is much better than mine since he has far more knowledge than me.

If your parents were Hindus, according to you, your beliefs would be similar to mine

I'd like to think I'd still turn out Muslim anyway. And I have good reason to believe so.

It's only because of your belief taught by your parents, you follow what you follow.

No, my family isn't anywhere near as religious as me (but some of them are getting there, thanks to me).

My argument is nothing will happen if you have a food which is not halal.

And our argument is that if God tells us to do something, we do it. No questions asked. The creator of all that exists knows far more than we do, so I will take his word over that of a feeble piece of meat.

integrate with society & behave like how everybody normally behaves

No. We're not like you, and we never will be. Get over it. We're not forcing you to do anything, let us do what we want.

 

[MultaniGuy]

See I just don't want to be pulled into unwanted argument, so I keep quiet. Have a rational debate if you want. Why are you bringing beef here. If a Hindu doesn't eat beef - The question of parent telling them not to eat doesn't arise at all because the child will 99.99% never ask the parent they want to eat, if they know it's beef. You are bullsh!tting. You are giving a lame refereral to argue & we were not serving pork in the function

Here the argument is the child wanted to eat the food & the father was giving importance to his obsessed beliefs than the children's happiness. These are not everyday affair. If he doesn't want to eat let him not, why deprive the children, who are craving to have the food. The children are not bothered of whether it's Halal or Haram, so why stop them.

It was a happy occasion. It made me upset to see the sad children. Any body will feel upset when you see this. Why punish the innocent children with your beliefs. I couldn't take my eyes of the children, after I saw the sadness in the children's face. We all were so happy, but this incident put me off.

I tried to just leave the case at what i posted. But anyway let me complete for you & tell you what happened after this. The mother was with my sister & she saw the argument & something wrong with the children & dad. So she went to check & the children told her to tell dad to allow them to have food. She just comforted the children & said it's ok, he's right, you should obey the dad & came off.

My cousin's house was next door. The guests were all around our house & relatives houses surrounding. She spoke to my sister about the issue & asked her if she can arrange to serve the children somewhere else other than the serving area where her husband was sitting talking to my dad & co-brothers. She called the daughters & they pretended to be speaking with ladies & we all laughingly walked to my cousin's house as a normal chit chat affair. Both daughters had the food there. The servers came from back door & served them what ever they wanted to eat. Then the daughters went & sat with dad & she called her son & he also had the food with my niece. It relieved me after I saw the excitement & happiness in the children's face.

She told us, we are going to have a good fight tonight, when I go back, but it's a normal affair, not to worry. If I try to explain him they are children let them eat, he will spoil my beautiful & happy evening & the whole holiday will go for a toss. Let him have his halal food alone in the night & sulk. He deserves it.

There are many incidents like these I have witnessed. I don't want to bring it up to argue unnecessarily. My argument is nothing will happen if you have a food which is not halal. People need to get over these beliefs & integrate with society & behave like how everybody normally behaves

I brought up beef because you are a hypocrite.

There is no point in debating with you because if Hindu children want to eat something forbidden according to Hinduism, which is beef.

You are bullshitting here. Because I have caught you. If Hindu children want to do something against their religion then naturally their parents will stop them.

Now apply it to the Muslim family, if the Muslim children want to do something against their religion, naturally their parents will try to stop them.

But you are too much of a double standard of a person to apply the same principles to the two scenarios.

Now don't lie, Hindus do not eat beef, thats why western food chains do not sell beef products in India.

You may not be serving pork you hypocrite, but you are serving haraam food which is enough to stop any Muslim from eating the haraam food.

See I just don't want to be pulled into unwanted argument, so I keep quiet. Have a rational debate if you want. Why are you bringing beef here. If a Hindu doesn't eat beef - The question of parent telling them not to eat doesn't arise at all because the child will 99.99% never ask the parent they want to eat, if they know it's beef. You are bullsh!tting. You are giving a lame refereral to argue & we were not serving pork in the function

Here the argument is the child wanted to eat the food & the father was giving importance to his obsessed beliefs than the children's happiness. These are not everyday affair. If he doesn't want to eat let him not, why deprive the children, who are craving to have the food. The children are not bothered of whether it's Halal or Haram, so why stop them.

It was a happy occasion. It made me upset to see the sad children. Any body will feel upset when you see this. Why punish the innocent children with your beliefs. I couldn't take my eyes of the children, after I saw the sadness in the children's face. We all were so happy, but this incident put me off.

I tried to just leave the case at what i posted. But anyway let me complete for you & tell you what happened after this. The mother was with my sister & she saw the argument & something wrong with the children & dad. So she went to check & the children told her to tell dad to allow them to have food. She just comforted the children & said it's ok, he's right, you should obey the dad & came off.

My cousin's house was next door. The guests were all around our house & relatives houses surrounding. She spoke to my sister about the issue & asked her if she can arrange to serve the children somewhere else other than the serving area where her husband was sitting talking to my dad & co-brothers. She called the daughters & they pretended to be speaking with ladies & we all laughingly walked to my cousin's house as a normal chit chat affair. Both daughters had the food there. The servers came from back door & served them what ever they wanted to eat. Then the daughters went & sat with dad & she called her son & he also had the food with my niece. It relieved me after I saw the excitement & happiness in the children's face.

She told us, we are going to have a good fight tonight, when I go back, but it's a normal affair, not to worry. If I try to explain him they are children let them eat, he will spoil my beautiful & happy evening & the whole holiday will go for a toss. Let him have his halal food alone in the night & sulk. He deserves it.

There are many incidents like these I have witnessed. I don't want to bring it up to argue unnecessarily. My argument is nothing will happen if you have a food which is not halal. People need to get over these beliefs & integrate with society & behave like how everybody normally behaves

Your anecdotes are meaningless, because anyone can cook up a good story.
So I do not really believe your story you have posted willy-nilly on the internet.

Nice try though.

If you cannot provide Halal food, I will not go to your party, simple as that. If you cannot accommodate my religious beliefs, then you get lost, lose your customers then!

The Muslim will not give a damn about you.

Same thing goes for me serving beef at my party. If I know I have Hindu customers I won't offer beef briyanis or dishes at my party.

But you are too much of a double standard of a person to realize that.

People need to get over these beliefs & integrate with society & behave like how everybody normally behaves

Give up your Hindu beliefs of not eating beef then.

Point is we are who we are, and Islam is our belief system. We will never compromise on our religion.

If you cannot accommodate our religious beliefs then you can get lost then. Lose your customers and influence.

See I just don't want to be pulled into unwanted argument, so I keep quiet. Have a rational debate if you want. Why are you bringing beef here. If a Hindu doesn't eat beef - The question of parent telling them not to eat doesn't arise at all because the child will 99.99% never ask the parent they want to eat, if they know it's beef. You are bullsh!tting. You are giving a lame refereral to argue & we were not serving pork in the function

Here the argument is the child wanted to eat the food & the father was giving importance to his obsessed beliefs than the children's happiness. These are not everyday affair. If he doesn't want to eat let him not, why deprive the children, who are craving to have the food. The children are not bothered of whether it's Halal or Haram, so why stop them.

It was a happy occasion. It made me upset to see the sad children. Any body will feel upset when you see this. Why punish the innocent children with your beliefs. I couldn't take my eyes of the children, after I saw the sadness in the children's face. We all were so happy, but this incident put me off.

I tried to just leave the case at what i posted. But anyway let me complete for you & tell you what happened after this. The mother was with my sister & she saw the argument & something wrong with the children & dad. So she went to check & the children told her to tell dad to allow them to have food. She just comforted the children & said it's ok, he's right, you should obey the dad & came off.

My cousin's house was next door. The guests were all around our house & relatives houses surrounding. She spoke to my sister about the issue & asked her if she can arrange to serve the children somewhere else other than the serving area where her husband was sitting talking to my dad & co-brothers. She called the daughters & they pretended to be speaking with ladies & we all laughingly walked to my cousin's house as a normal chit chat affair. Both daughters had the food there. The servers came from back door & served them what ever they wanted to eat. Then the daughters went & sat with dad & she called her son & he also had the food with my niece. It relieved me after I saw the excitement & happiness in the children's face.

She told us, we are going to have a good fight tonight, when I go back, but it's a normal affair, not to worry. If I try to explain him they are children let them eat, he will spoil my beautiful & happy evening & the whole holiday will go for a toss. Let him have his halal food alone in the night & sulk. He deserves it.

There are many incidents like these I have witnessed. I don't want to bring it up to argue unnecessarily. My argument is nothing will happen if you have a food which is not halal. People need to get over these beliefs & integrate with society & behave like how everybody normally behaves

wow you are such a hypocrite. The children should care whether the food is halal or not because of their religious obligations.

What happens if Hindu children eat food forbidden by Hinduism such as beef. After all I will quote you ( I am smiling now) since the children's happiness comes first as you said in your quote. Or at least you implied this.

I am convinced you are hypocrite.

Now shoo.

You are a clever and sneaky guy, you mention the father's religious beliefs, but what about the children's religious beliefs?

Naturally the children will have the religious beliefs of their father right?

Don't play games, we know you are a hypocrite.

The children should follow their religion, and naturally they have the same beliefs as their father do.

So the children should not eat haraam food according to logic, yes?

Or are too much of a hypocrite to accept that.

Eating Haraam food or any haraam food is sinful according to Islam, whether it is pork or not.

Pork is simply one of the many foods which is haraam in Islam.

So don't play games with us.

We Pakistanis know Islam better than you do.

 

[Verve]

@PakSarzameen5823

If flying kites and kite competition is haram, then you being on the internet (& this forum etc) is haram too.

Ironic isn't it that you are doing haram yet advising others not to?

 

[Death Professor]

@PakSarzameen5823

If flying kites and kite competition is haram, then you being on the internet (& this forum etc) is haram too.

Ironic isn't it that you are doing haram yet advising others not to?

Dead thread, it got revived by @Champion_Usmani disingenuously.

@Arsalan @waz sure the topic is related to Basant, but it should have been made as another topic/thread. Govt, decided to celebrate basant but later they retracted that decision.