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"Functional autonomy in the provinces" is the weakest link in your platform. Pakistan can only,
ever be a major world player if it first has an open and transparent strong central government
and Parliament, with the provinces operating as "a union of states" as an integral part of the
whole national government of Pakistan. Look at the economic progress and democracy of India.
Had they used a loose confederation of provinces instead of a strong central government they
would never have achieved their status as a major world economy today.
Food for thought from a 1960s era former USAF officer resident of Karachi at the old US Embassy. I
am also a former NYC international banker from years past after my 6 years active USAF service,
and am retired from 31 years total commissioned service, 6 active + 25 in the reserve as a Colonel, USAF, what we in the US call a secondary life career.
ever be a major world player if it first has an open and transparent strong central government
and Parliament, with the provinces operating as "a union of states" as an integral part of the
whole national government of Pakistan. Look at the economic progress and democracy of India.
Had they used a loose confederation of provinces instead of a strong central government they
would never have achieved their status as a major world economy today.
Food for thought from a 1960s era former USAF officer resident of Karachi at the old US Embassy. I
am also a former NYC international banker from years past after my 6 years active USAF service,
and am retired from 31 years total commissioned service, 6 active + 25 in the reserve as a Colonel, USAF, what we in the US call a secondary life career.
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China has autonomous provinces and its doing way better than India or any country in Asia for that matter.
The founders of Pakistan wanted Pakistan to have autonomous provinces within the federation of Pakistan. Even the founders of the United States of America wanted the states of USA to be autonomous. Each state in the US has its own laws, etc..
And India is not a good example of a thriving economy. Even with such a huge GDP, India has more poor than Africa.
U.S. doesn't want autonomy for Pakistan's provinces because they know the North-western territories of Pakistan might establish strict Sharia Law, but they can have whatever laws they like as long it is part of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. The eastern provinces of Pakistan will probably never have Sharia Law.
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A few simplified facts: (1) China has a very strong central government, not as you describe.
(2) The US tried a weak central government under the Articles of Confederation, which failed miserably, then the US developed in the late 1700s today's strong central government under our US Constitution, setting aside the failed earlier US Articles of Confederation. (3) We in
the States pay city, county, state, and federal taxes, but the largest by far are the Federal
(strong central national government) taxes. (4) India is a much better democratic model, whereas China is still a dictatorship. (5) Based on my almost two years living and working in Pakistan
in years past Pakistan today continues to be an ethnically and religiously splintered country,
which I am not happy about as I would wish the grassroots people of Pakistan a better life.
Dictatorships (military) are a revolving door for Pakistan.
SEE THE ECONOMIST MAGAZINE, February 11-17th 2012 issue, pages 3-16 about Pakistan,
article entitled "Perilous Journey." In particular see page 10, "Religion", "In the shadow of the
mosque", "Religion is becoming less tolerant, and more central to Pakistan." On page 11 of this
Religious sub-article note in part: "Mr. Zawahiri may still be hiding out in North Waziristan, in the Federal Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) bordering Afghanistan. The Pushtun tribes there have
provided fertible recruiting grounds for the groups that have coalesced into the Pakistani Taliban"...."No army wants to be at war with its own people, and the campaign against the Pakistani
Taliban is complicated by the political legitimacy Mr. Rana refers to. So from time to time peace
talks are held, which give the extremists a change to regroup." Etc. Such "times outs"
allow the terrorists to rearm and rebuilt their bloody insurgency and I blame the ISI and field
General Officers who are complicent in keeping the insurgency alive with the phoney excuse
that they will be the auxiliary paramilitary to use in the east against India. Pure bunkum.
In my time inside Pakistan and ever since, including my years as an International Banking Officer
in NYC in the Asia Section of the bank, which include the entire Subcontinent, the drift toward
religious anarchy, anti-democracy theme has grown bit by bit. Whereas India has long ago
gotten past such problems having a very large Muslim population which until 10 years ago was
larger than the entire Muslim population of Pakistan. Youthful wishful thinking cannot fix the
complex probelms which Pakistan is up against. Blame is a waste to time vs. confronting the
economic, educational (including free public education for girls as well
as boys), religious face(s) of Pakistan which are symbolically and actually bleeding and
need more than band aides.
Northern Pakistan areas Swat, FATA, et al have long been less than loose confederation states, these have been and in some instances remain like "the lawless wild west" of old movie fame and
elections of late of representatives to the Pakistani Central Parliament and the "emerging" provincial governments is a tough go, as candidates and incuments alike are often murdered by the religious thugs who want raw religious rule by uneducated mullahs to keep the people suppressed, uneducated, and "controlled" for bad purposes. Suicide bombings in the midst of peaceful political
gatherings in now virtually all parts of Pakistan is a tragic but common event that discourages
candidates and audiences from even turning out in public places. These murders directly are
suppressing your democratic free speech and right of assembly rights inside Pakistan in 2012.
Old school moderate Jirga leaders are being murdered right and left leaving a vacuum for
the terrorist al Qaida and Taliban allies to fill in the North and now on a growing basis nationwide.
(2) The US tried a weak central government under the Articles of Confederation, which failed miserably, then the US developed in the late 1700s today's strong central government under our US Constitution, setting aside the failed earlier US Articles of Confederation. (3) We in
the States pay city, county, state, and federal taxes, but the largest by far are the Federal
(strong central national government) taxes. (4) India is a much better democratic model, whereas China is still a dictatorship. (5) Based on my almost two years living and working in Pakistan
in years past Pakistan today continues to be an ethnically and religiously splintered country,
which I am not happy about as I would wish the grassroots people of Pakistan a better life.
Dictatorships (military) are a revolving door for Pakistan.
SEE THE ECONOMIST MAGAZINE, February 11-17th 2012 issue, pages 3-16 about Pakistan,
article entitled "Perilous Journey." In particular see page 10, "Religion", "In the shadow of the
mosque", "Religion is becoming less tolerant, and more central to Pakistan." On page 11 of this
Religious sub-article note in part: "Mr. Zawahiri may still be hiding out in North Waziristan, in the Federal Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) bordering Afghanistan. The Pushtun tribes there have
provided fertible recruiting grounds for the groups that have coalesced into the Pakistani Taliban"...."No army wants to be at war with its own people, and the campaign against the Pakistani
Taliban is complicated by the political legitimacy Mr. Rana refers to. So from time to time peace
talks are held, which give the extremists a change to regroup." Etc. Such "times outs"
allow the terrorists to rearm and rebuilt their bloody insurgency and I blame the ISI and field
General Officers who are complicent in keeping the insurgency alive with the phoney excuse
that they will be the auxiliary paramilitary to use in the east against India. Pure bunkum.
In my time inside Pakistan and ever since, including my years as an International Banking Officer
in NYC in the Asia Section of the bank, which include the entire Subcontinent, the drift toward
religious anarchy, anti-democracy theme has grown bit by bit. Whereas India has long ago
gotten past such problems having a very large Muslim population which until 10 years ago was
larger than the entire Muslim population of Pakistan. Youthful wishful thinking cannot fix the
complex probelms which Pakistan is up against. Blame is a waste to time vs. confronting the
economic, educational (including free public education for girls as well
as boys), religious face(s) of Pakistan which are symbolically and actually bleeding and
need more than band aides.
Northern Pakistan areas Swat, FATA, et al have long been less than loose confederation states, these have been and in some instances remain like "the lawless wild west" of old movie fame and
elections of late of representatives to the Pakistani Central Parliament and the "emerging" provincial governments is a tough go, as candidates and incuments alike are often murdered by the religious thugs who want raw religious rule by uneducated mullahs to keep the people suppressed, uneducated, and "controlled" for bad purposes. Suicide bombings in the midst of peaceful political
gatherings in now virtually all parts of Pakistan is a tragic but common event that discourages
candidates and audiences from even turning out in public places. These murders directly are
suppressing your democratic free speech and right of assembly rights inside Pakistan in 2012.
Old school moderate Jirga leaders are being murdered right and left leaving a vacuum for
the terrorist al Qaida and Taliban allies to fill in the North and now on a growing basis nationwide.
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Muhammad Ali Jinnah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A controversy has raged in Pakistan about whether Jinnah wanted Pakistan to be a secular state or an Islamic state (see secularism in Pakistan). His views as expressed in his policy speech on August 11, 1947 said:
There is no other solution. Now what shall we do? Now, if we want to make this great State of Pakistan happy and prosperous, we should wholly and solely concentrate on the well-being of the people, and especially of the masses and the poor. If you will work in co-operation, forgetting the past, burying the hatchet, you are bound to succeed. If you change your past and work together in a spirit that everyone of you, no matter to what community he belongs, no matter what relations he had with you in the past, no matter what is his colour, caste or creed, is first, second and last a citizen of this State with equal rights, privileges, and obligations, there will be no end to the progress you will make. I cannot emphasize it too much. We should begin to work in that spirit and in course of time all these angularities of the majority and minority communities, the Hindu community and the Muslim community, because even as regards Muslims you have Pathans, Punjabis, Shias, Sunnis and so on, and among the Hindus you have Brahmins, Vashnavas, Khatris, also Bengalis, Madrasis and so on, will vanish. Indeed if you ask me, this has been the biggest hindrance in the way of India to attain the freedom and independence and but for this we would have been free people long long ago. No power can hold another nation, and specially a nation of 400 million souls in subjection; nobody could have conquered you, and even if it had happened, nobody could have continued its hold on you for any length of time, but for this. Therefore, we must learn a lesson from this. You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place or worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the State. As you know, history shows that in England, conditions, some time ago, were much worse than those prevailing in India today. The Roman Catholics and the Protestants persecuted each other. Even now there are some States in existence where there are discriminations made and bars imposed against a particular class. Thank God, we are not starting in those days. We are starting in the days where there is no discrimination, no distinction between one community and another, no discrimination between one caste or creed and another. We are starting with this fundamental principle that we are all citizens and equal citizens of one State. The people of England in course of time had to face the realities of the situation and had to discharge the responsibilities and burdens placed upon them by the government of their country and they went through that fire step by step. Today, you might say with justice that Roman Catholics and Protestants do not exist; what exists now is that every man is a citizen, an equal citizen of Great Britain and they are all members of the Nation. Now I think we should keep that in front of us as our ideal and you will find that in course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the State. Jinnah, August 11, 1947 – presiding over the constituent assembly.
This statement is taken by some as an indication that Jinnah wanted a secular state. However, in his other speeches he referred to Islam and Islamic principles clarifying what a true Islamic state is:
The constitution of Pakistan has yet to be framed by the Pakistan Constituent Assembly. I do not know what the ultimate shape of this constitution is going to be, but I am sure that it will be of a democratic type, embodying the essential principle of Islam. Today, they are as applicable in actual life as they were 1,300 years ago. Islam and its idealism have taught us democracy. It has taught equality of man, justice and fairplay to everybody. We are the inheritors of these glorious traditions and are fully alive to our responsibilities and obligations as framers of the future constitution of Pakistan. In any case Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic State to be ruled by priests with a divine mission. We have many non-Muslims — Hindus, Christians, and Parsis — but they are all Pakistanis. They will enjoy the same rights and privileges as any other citizens and will play their rightful part in the affairs of Pakistan. Broadcast talk to the people of the United States of America on Pakistan recorded February, 1948.
It has been argued that in this speech Jinnah wanted to point out that Pakistan would be a secular state, since many associate an Islamic state with a theocratic state, i.e., one in which the laws and constitution are written by mullahs and the legal code is based on Sharia, Islamic law as prescribed by the Quran. This perception, however, is historically ambiguous; different countries, while claiming to be true Islamic states, have tried to mix religious principles with politics in varying proportions. It can rather be interpreted by the speech that a true Islamic state would be giving the said rights to the minorities and hold them in equal status and that this was rather to distinguish it from a religious oligarchy.
On the opening ceremony of the State Bank of Pakistan Jinnah pointed out that the financial set-up of the state should be based on Islamic economic system.
We must work our destiny in our own way and present to the world an economic system based on true Islamic concept of equality of manhood and social justice. We will thereby be fulfilling our mission as Muslims and giving to humanity the message of peace which alone can save it and secure the welfare, happiness and prosperity of mankind. Speech at the opening ceremony of State Bank of Pakistan, Karachi July 1, 1948
Jinnah felt that the state of Pakistan should stand upon true Islamic tradition in culture, civilization and national identity rather than on the principles of Islam as a theocratic state.[55]
In 1937, Jinnah further defended his ideology of equality in his speech to the All-India Muslim Leaguein Lucknow where he stated, "Settlement can only be achieved between equals."[56] He also had a rebuttal to Nehru's statement which argued that the only two parties that mattered in India were the British Raj and INC. Jinnah stated that the Muslim League was the third and "equal partner" within Indian politics.[5
A controversy has raged in Pakistan about whether Jinnah wanted Pakistan to be a secular state or an Islamic state (see secularism in Pakistan). His views as expressed in his policy speech on August 11, 1947 said:
There is no other solution. Now what shall we do? Now, if we want to make this great State of Pakistan happy and prosperous, we should wholly and solely concentrate on the well-being of the people, and especially of the masses and the poor. If you will work in co-operation, forgetting the past, burying the hatchet, you are bound to succeed. If you change your past and work together in a spirit that everyone of you, no matter to what community he belongs, no matter what relations he had with you in the past, no matter what is his colour, caste or creed, is first, second and last a citizen of this State with equal rights, privileges, and obligations, there will be no end to the progress you will make. I cannot emphasize it too much. We should begin to work in that spirit and in course of time all these angularities of the majority and minority communities, the Hindu community and the Muslim community, because even as regards Muslims you have Pathans, Punjabis, Shias, Sunnis and so on, and among the Hindus you have Brahmins, Vashnavas, Khatris, also Bengalis, Madrasis and so on, will vanish. Indeed if you ask me, this has been the biggest hindrance in the way of India to attain the freedom and independence and but for this we would have been free people long long ago. No power can hold another nation, and specially a nation of 400 million souls in subjection; nobody could have conquered you, and even if it had happened, nobody could have continued its hold on you for any length of time, but for this. Therefore, we must learn a lesson from this. You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place or worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the State. As you know, history shows that in England, conditions, some time ago, were much worse than those prevailing in India today. The Roman Catholics and the Protestants persecuted each other. Even now there are some States in existence where there are discriminations made and bars imposed against a particular class. Thank God, we are not starting in those days. We are starting in the days where there is no discrimination, no distinction between one community and another, no discrimination between one caste or creed and another. We are starting with this fundamental principle that we are all citizens and equal citizens of one State. The people of England in course of time had to face the realities of the situation and had to discharge the responsibilities and burdens placed upon them by the government of their country and they went through that fire step by step. Today, you might say with justice that Roman Catholics and Protestants do not exist; what exists now is that every man is a citizen, an equal citizen of Great Britain and they are all members of the Nation. Now I think we should keep that in front of us as our ideal and you will find that in course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the State. Jinnah, August 11, 1947 – presiding over the constituent assembly.
This statement is taken by some as an indication that Jinnah wanted a secular state. However, in his other speeches he referred to Islam and Islamic principles clarifying what a true Islamic state is:
The constitution of Pakistan has yet to be framed by the Pakistan Constituent Assembly. I do not know what the ultimate shape of this constitution is going to be, but I am sure that it will be of a democratic type, embodying the essential principle of Islam. Today, they are as applicable in actual life as they were 1,300 years ago. Islam and its idealism have taught us democracy. It has taught equality of man, justice and fairplay to everybody. We are the inheritors of these glorious traditions and are fully alive to our responsibilities and obligations as framers of the future constitution of Pakistan. In any case Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic State to be ruled by priests with a divine mission. We have many non-Muslims — Hindus, Christians, and Parsis — but they are all Pakistanis. They will enjoy the same rights and privileges as any other citizens and will play their rightful part in the affairs of Pakistan. Broadcast talk to the people of the United States of America on Pakistan recorded February, 1948.
It has been argued that in this speech Jinnah wanted to point out that Pakistan would be a secular state, since many associate an Islamic state with a theocratic state, i.e., one in which the laws and constitution are written by mullahs and the legal code is based on Sharia, Islamic law as prescribed by the Quran. This perception, however, is historically ambiguous; different countries, while claiming to be true Islamic states, have tried to mix religious principles with politics in varying proportions. It can rather be interpreted by the speech that a true Islamic state would be giving the said rights to the minorities and hold them in equal status and that this was rather to distinguish it from a religious oligarchy.
On the opening ceremony of the State Bank of Pakistan Jinnah pointed out that the financial set-up of the state should be based on Islamic economic system.
We must work our destiny in our own way and present to the world an economic system based on true Islamic concept of equality of manhood and social justice. We will thereby be fulfilling our mission as Muslims and giving to humanity the message of peace which alone can save it and secure the welfare, happiness and prosperity of mankind. Speech at the opening ceremony of State Bank of Pakistan, Karachi July 1, 1948
Jinnah felt that the state of Pakistan should stand upon true Islamic tradition in culture, civilization and national identity rather than on the principles of Islam as a theocratic state.[55]
In 1937, Jinnah further defended his ideology of equality in his speech to the All-India Muslim Leaguein Lucknow where he stated, "Settlement can only be achieved between equals."[56] He also had a rebuttal to Nehru's statement which argued that the only two parties that mattered in India were the British Raj and INC. Jinnah stated that the Muslim League was the third and "equal partner" within Indian politics.[5
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