PTI being used in Karachi by-polls, says Hashmi

[Musafir117]

Isn't that a good thing? The city has issues and these forces are looking for a solution - that's a lot more than what certain politicians are doing.

If the Karachi is a issue the whole country is an issue, Bslouchistan is an issue why only targeting Karachi? Karachi is not a piece of cake that establishment could offer and refuse to give someone. I didn't accept from you to say yes to stolen public mandate isn't same stole a bank?

 

[batmannow]

Oh results it reached alright.. JC was formed!

LOL JC wasn't announced, Nawaz agreed to form a committee in order to form a judicial commission, just like his countless past committees with having no end result!

No, its not the same , JC was agreed upon AFTER PTI put all the pressure on PML-N when then decided to end the dharna respecting the Shuhda of APC and putting all of its burden on govt. so that PTI has no reason left to not start another dharna IF PML-N failed to form JC..

Resignations Technically and constitution-wise should've been accepted..by not accepting them, Your dear speaker broke the constitution! saying that after a limited period of some days, if NA members still don't return, the honorable speaker has to cancel the absent NA member's membership..govt. wanted PTI to not leave parliament whatsoever...

talk all you want, but reality is not what you see on PTV

Sorry you should see the video clip , of 14th august , of PM announcing the dam JC?
Pressure was on imran khan to go back to assemblies from first time elected members of PTI , who wasn't ready to resign ?
deal reached just after , the few days of Peshawar APS school attack , when army chief & ISI cheif met PM durring launch in Peshawar,s APC on terrorism , PAKARMY & its leadership told PM that , they wanted to hunt down all the terrorists in KPK & the rest of Pakistan so, they can focus the issue ?
During that , meeting it was requested by COAS that PTI should be comforted to give up its unsucsesfull protest ?
By letting them enter in to parlimentry politics which started with the senate elections .
A JC which was announced earlier by PM, was given green signal then ?
But then PTI also been told to give up its protest & agree to the decisions by that JC?
The request was sent to SC,& the CJ long before in that regurd , which wasn't heard until it got the green lights from pakarmy,s leadership .
Now its up to JC which , give clean sheet to PMLn or not ?
Other hand , PTI,s future politics & protests been banned until JC ,s top decision ?
With that said , this judicial commission is about to be challenged, then its formation & maybe it's dececion .
What PTI got ?
just a JC , which can just give clean sheet to PMln govt , which will further consolidate its position making its tenure complete , & its control over every remaining string ?
Sorry, you can be happy if you like but , it means nothing & PTI sits quietly even listening the humiliation comming out of khawaja asif,s mouth on very first day of PTI ,s back to parliament day .
Still peoples like former CJ , are telling speaker of NA , why he didn't accepted the resignations ?
Still Delhi is very far for PTI , so its supporters need s to come down & stop worshipping it as their new god ?

 

[TankMan]

If the Karachi is a issue the whole country is an issue

I didn't say Karachi is an issue - I said Karachi has issues. Issues which are getting worse every day.

Bslouchistan is an issue why only targeting Karachi?

Are they supposed to ignore Karachi while they're working on Balochistan?
Do you think they're not working on Balochistan? Or do you think they should do more in Balochistan? A couple of days ago someone was telling me they're targeting Balochistan too much. Funny how that works. Everyone is being made to hate this 'establishment', as if it's some evil entity. It isn't. In fact, the 'establishment' is more democratic than our democracy. Well, democratic might not be the best word - meritocratic, to be precise.

The reality is that the military is comprised of all kinds of Pakistanis, working hard and endangering their lives; it contains members of every ethnicity and every creed, and all of them have one interest - protecting Pakistan. Individuals may be corrupted, distracted or whatever - but the institution as a whole can never be. And, it also implements the flowing water principle - Generals retire. Behta paani pak hota hai. Can we say the same about MQM? Can we say that MQM is behta paani? Of course, I'm referring to Altaf Hussain.

This hatred and mistrust of the military is a disease - no, I don't mean to offend you or call you diseased- I mean it's spreading like one, and is as detrimental to our country as a disease would be.

What I'm getting at here is that 'the Establishment' is doing its job. If certain Karachiites are creating problems for the country, it is their job to handle them - this establishment is also made up of other, concerned Karachiites. Nobody is targeting Karachi. There is no conspiracy against Karachi, except for possibly Altaf Hussain's own political strategy.

But we must look at something: what exactly is he, and MQM, doing? They need to stop opposing Law Enforcement and stop creating more problems in an already full of problems country. If they don't stop that, eventually we're going to have to accept a truth: that MQM itself may be a problem. But I'm not saying that, not yet. I still have hopes.

 

[NaMaloom]

Javed Hashmi trying to make a political comeback with sensationalist claims after his political career was killed off by PTI after he lost the by-election of his seat which he had won on PTI ticket. Go home crazy old man! Your time is done.

 

[Fracker]

But is federal govt , is using PTI in Karachi or its just chodri nisar the friend of IMRAN , alone ?

I think its xEstablishment, and CH. Nisar is part of it.

 

[Musafir117]

I didn't say Karachi is an issue - I said Karachi has issues. Issues which are getting worse every day.

Are they supposed to ignore Karachi while they're working on Balochistan?
Do you think they're not working on Balochistan? Or do you think they should do more in Balochistan? A couple of days ago someone was telling me they're targeting Balochistan too much. Funny how that works. Everyone is being made to hate this 'establishment', as if it's some evil entity. It isn't. In fact, the 'establishment' is more democratic than our democracy. Well, democratic might not be the best word - meritocratic, to be precise.

The reality is that the military is comprised of all kinds of Pakistanis, working hard and endangering their lives; it contains members of every ethnicity and every creed, and all of them have one interest - protecting Pakistan. Individuals may be corrupted, distracted or whatever - but the institution as a whole can never be. And, it also implements the flowing water principle - Generals retire. Behta paani pak hota hai. Can we say the same about MQM? Can we say that MQM is behta paani? Of course, I'm referring to Altaf Hussain.

This hatred and mistrust of the military is a disease - no, I don't mean to offend you or call you diseased- I mean it's spreading like one, and is as detrimental to our country as a disease would be.

What I'm getting at here is that 'the Establishment' is doing its job. If certain Karachiites are creating problems for the country, it is their job to handle them - this establishment is also made up of other, concerned Karachiites. Nobody is targeting Karachi. There is no conspiracy against Karachi, except for possibly Altaf Hussain's own political strategy.

But we must look at something: what exactly is he, and MQM, doing? They need to stop opposing Law Enforcement and stop creating more problems in an already full of problems country. If they don't stop that, eventually we're going to have to accept a truth: that MQM itself may be a problem. But I'm not saying that, not yet. I still have hopes.

I'm not blaming here all institute, I respect and love Pak Army as like other patriots ( my father is also retired from Army ) Karachi always get more worst when few HANDS tried to snatch the mandate of karachiets, why MQM work so good and did a superb administrative work during Mushraff era and over all law and order situation was fine and crimes decrease top low? the answer is simple Mushraff trust them and give them free hand to run Karachi. Another thing when I talk about Establishment it's not mean few specific agencies of Army, establishment also used for top buerucrates who run other agencies and insinuates like justice department
Police department etc in a civil government. A lot of generals come and gone and this will continue and our Army by grace of God ( the institute ) stay here to protect and defend us with dignity and trust.
In my previous post when I mention balouchistan operation referring with Karachi operation was hinting towards political forces who running the province, why not an operation on ruling class of Baloucistan coz they failed to stop anarchy Law and order completely failing to protect civilian lives and property? Why not PTI interested in balouchistan? Why not establishment taking PTI on their shoulder in case of balouchistan?
Hope you understand what I'm trying to explain.

 

[TankMan]

I'm not blaming here all institute, I respect and love Pak Army as like other patriots ( my father is also retired from Army ) Karachi always get more worst when few HANDS tried to snatch the mandate of karachiets, why MQM work so good and did a superb administrative work during Mushraff era and over all law and order situation was fine and crimes decrease top low? the answer is simple Mushraff trust them and give them free hand to run Karachi. Another thing when I talk about Establishment it's not mean few specific agencies of Army, establishment also used for top buerucrates who run other agencies and insinuates like justice department
Police department etc in a civil government. A lot of generals come and gone and this will continue and our Army by grace of God ( the institute ) stay here to protect and defend us with dignity and trust.
In my previous post when I mention balouchistan operation referring with Karachi operation was hinting towards political forces who running the province, why not an operation on ruling class of Baloucistan coz they failed to stop anarchy Law and order completely failing to protect civilian lives and property? Why not PTI interested in balouchistan? Why not establishment taking PTI on their shoulder in case of balouchistan?
Hope you understand what I'm trying to explain.

So you were talking more about the political leadership and bureaucracy instead of the military; I assumed you meant the Army specifically, but thank you for the clarification and yes I understand what you're trying to explain but I maintain my stance that Karachi can not be ignored. It is actually more important to stabilize Karachi because of how essential it is to Pakistan, more so than Balochistan. Of course, I don't mean Balochistan should be ignored either, and yes, PTI should have focused there too, I agree.

 

[Musafir117]

So you were talking more about the political leadership and bureaucracy instead of the military; I assumed you meant the Army specifically, but thank you for the clarification and yes I understand what you're trying to explain but I maintain my stance that Karachi can not be ignored. It is actually more important to stabilize Karachi because of how essential it is to Pakistan, more so than Balochistan. Of course, I don't mean Balochistan should be ignored either, and yes, PTI should have focused there too, I agree.

And I will stay on my stance too, Karachi was more stabilize during Mushraff era mean a political stability solution much more better than use force and try back doors.
Edit. PTI failure in balochistan and Sind have few genuine factors, the hint is both provinces politics is different than KPK and Punjab. They not easily change the parties like other lotta politicians.

 

[TankMan]

And I will stay on my stance too,

Lets agree to disagree in that case.

Karachi was more stabilize during Mushraff era mean a political stability solution much more better than use force and try back doors.

A political solution is definitely much better than a forceful one. The issue is getting a political solution in the first place. That is where the problem lies, we can't get stability because there are too many elements creating instability.

Edit. PTI failure in balochistan and Sind have few genuine factors, the hint is both provinces politics is different than KPK and Punjab. They not easily change the parties like other lotta politicians.

Also, PTI didn't try enough, for whatever reason.

 

[Death Adder]

PTI can only win with dhandli and agencies support otherwise no chance.

 

[batmannow]

Lets agree to disagree in that case.

A political solution is definitely much better than a forceful one. The issue is getting a political solution in the first place. That is where the problem lies, we can't get stability because there are too many elements creating instability.

Also, PTI didn't try enough, for whatever reason.

PTI tried their best but can't get enough would be right word ?
Cause in Baluchistan & in sindh a Sindhi or a Baluchi can look few of large rallies of PTI on his old TV , but for him its his sindhi & Baluchi sardars , who gives him heavens ?
No PTI & NO IMRAN ?
PTI lives on the dreams seen by IMRAN & as his dreams dried up , their passion goes down to?
Going back to NA, was the frist testing issue for PTI &Imran , in which whole of the PTI MNAs went against IMRAN , who never wanted to return to NA?
Cause he wanted the judicial commission declares the elections of 2013 rigged & get new elections after ?
Things never happens as we like?
In Karachi IMRAN & chodri NISAR friendship was demonstrated by using rangers , against MQM & only MQM , while keeping the SC observation & its advises for the peace in Karachi as the core manifesto ?
It all terribly went wrong , it has created a wrong image of the federal govt & rangers being the political tool could be used against political opponents , although they have aressted the much deserved criminals but they operation against terrorists is being stopped cause it can't get the big fishes in the sindh govt & supreme PPP leadership .
Its all a wasted exercise like always , & once again made MQM the victim .

 

[Gazi]

So you were talking more about the political leadership and bureaucracy instead of the military; I assumed you meant the Army specifically, but thank you for the clarification and yes I understand what you're trying to explain but I maintain my stance that Karachi can not be ignored. It is actually more important to stabilize Karachi because of how essential it is to Pakistan, more so than Balochistan. Of course, I don't mean Balochistan should be ignored either, and yes, PTI should have focused there too, I agree.

Karachi is through with National Parties since 1970s and is not likely to return to the sphere of in any time future. Even if their is someone who would replace MQM in the future that someone would be Karachi base not from other parts of Pakistan. Since 1970s we have seen how Pakistan has been Running so Karachi situation is part of same issue that our so called JOKE Pakistan Govt. has been. For now MQM is what Karachiite have so it should be accepted with open Arms instead of Conspiring to kill it because at least MQM has Progressive Image attached to it when they were been Taken Seriously in Governance while on the other hand no Party in Pakistan can claim to be Progressive rather all are only known for Barking and Back Biting. If this is what so called Alternative we got in Politics then MQM is better off with Karachiite for now at least. PTI doesnt belong here and if they want a piece GENUINELY then they had to present a Progressive Image by Developing KPK instead of hitting Slogans and Accusing.

 

[Gazi]

Good old days when Imran Khan started Politics.

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