I've already clearly stated what it means and thats all it means. You're welcome to not grant me a visa, but if ASKED thats pretty much the standard Pakistani position. It isn't the preferred position, since most sane people prefer peace. But what you're asking for isn't peace, its subjugation and thats where we return to the standard position.
Yes. One can't blow people up in the morning and expect to drink tea with their relatives in the evening.
You say the right things but you are in denial. Pakistan has an institutionalized policy of promoting extremism in schools and using non-state actors as strategic assets.
Some charity ... their conventions are full of deranged people screaming about Ghazwa and rivers of blood and brandishing all kinds of weapons. This is another example of your being in denial.
I do not expect Pakistani institutions to punish their own assets. It has never happened in the 62 years of your history. But I would be happy to be surprised on this.
As regards Kashmir, the only way forward is this: Ask your paid employees (Hurriyat conference) to contest elections and prove their legitimacy. Don't worry, we do not debar them like you debar the JKLF. If a legitimately elected government of J&K asks for a change in the constitutional status of J&K, I'm sure the GoI can discuss it with them.
Point is that do not paint everyone in the same colour and if one Lahori has written such a positive thing about a city in India...you should only have seen the positive, which is huge cause we Lahoris do not like any other place
The way some became emotionally negative clearly indicates that we really need to mature as neighbours and reciprocate a compliment or gift in similar manner.
Let us hope for better days to come...
You have merely redefined the term terrorism so that you can build an argument around it. Simply put terrorism is what terrorism does. It terrorizes people. Whether it is done by deliberate targeting of civilians is another matter and is irrelevant if the goal of terrorism can be achieved without having to resort to such 'targeting'.
On the other side of the equation is your so called freedom fighters. Had there been no freedom fighters, there wouldnt have been any Indian Army in Kashmir, in the first place. There wasnt any so called state sponsored terrorism in Kashmir before 1987. However, if you want to understand what state sponsored terrorism can be, just look back at 1971.
The Indian security forces are not from Jupiter, in case you are wondering.
In other words, and without going into the debate of whether Pakistan has any such right to demand, since Pakistanis are in conflict with Indian demands, it is perhaps OKAY to turn the taps off in the Kashmir Valley and dry out Pakistan forever. And if you blow up the dams, as you have suggested in another thread, even then millions of tons of stored water will kill and displace millions of Pakistanis, ruining your economy and either way, making you utterly dependent on foreign aides and debts. I guess that is OKAY too, since hey, it is OKAY to kill people in conflict with Indian demands. And imagine how all of these can be achieved without us having to fire a single shot.
It is not a debate neither is it a case of keeping all venues on the table when the other party has already decided that its point of view is the only view possible. That debate is merely a farce.
First of all define combatants. Does the person who supplies and/or stores Kalashnikovs, or gives refuge to insurgents, or carries out recce, or supports insurgencies in any other way that helps carrying out terrorist activities, but doesnt himself pull the trigger and kill, qualify as combatant?
I got everything you said. And more.
Who told you that bit of nonsense?
We have no other conflict with India. Thats why we always condemn acts of terrorism in India even the loss of lives of Indian soldiers. But different rules apply to Kashmir.
In these custom made rules of engagement, if its a fight with our army, why only in kashmir? Do i sense something here... something like wanting to limit the 'surgical strikes' to pakistan occupied kashmir???
And by surgical strikes, don't go on about SU30MKIs, Brahmos etc, be realistic. There are bombs that are smarter than smart bombs.
I have to remind our Indian friends, that Hafiz Saeed was tried, illegally detained and then had to be released because neither the Indian government nor the Pakistani government had sufficient evidence linking him to the Mumbai attacks.I must say that a positive article was posted by Halaku but he has been foremost in ensuring only negative is taken out of it...confusing, but then i have seen worse.
However, if this be the people to people interaction then it shall be a long wait till we be drinking tea together.
To set the record straight there have been people in Pakistan on this very forum who have directly suffered in the terrorism that collectively eclipses anything India was subjected to in past few years.
Given that even one life lost is too much; but thousands upon thousands died in Pakistan in terrorist attacks.
Do not assume that people in Pakistan love terrorists...we hate this mindset of blowing innocents and hiding behind innocents in the name of religion...the entire nation of Pakistan and its armed forces have taken a unified stand against these terrorists at the cost of many lives.
Kashmir is disputed and Saeed is not our beloved, he denuonced his association with LET and JUD did participate in a lot of charity work, even if he is pretending (not at all proven) to be JUD and is actually LET, we need solid evidence.
THe high court dismissed GOP's request for further detention because he was detained as part of special law which was time limited till enough evidence was made available to convict him, the evidence was not at all concrete and he could not be implicated.
It is not that he is our hero and we love him for something like Mumbai which was a most cruel and tragic occurance...you belittle us if you think we support terrorism and love terrorists.
If enough evidence is gathered then believe me the Pakistani courts will not show any bias...and i will be 100% in support of the courts and the punishment.
Kashmir is a sensitive issue and there were and still are freedom fighters who fought the Indian Army alone mano on mano, on the other hand there are militants who may have other agenda and then there are terrorists who use conflict to establish their power base in any area with enough unrest.
I am half Kashmiri Half Punjabi and Sunnit to boot, if you are into these things. So maybe i am the most suspicious man for you if i enter India?
However my discourse with the Indian members would let you think otherwise...or maybe it wont.
Point is that do not paint everyone in the same colour and if one Lahori has written such a positive thing about a city in India...you should only have seen the positive, which is huge cause we Lahoris do not like any other place
The way some became emotionally negative clearly indicates that we really need to mature as neighbours and reciprocate a compliment or gift in similar manner.
Let us hope for better days to come...
