Prominent Saudi preacher tortures five-year-old daughter to death

[Bubblegum Crisis]

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At least this whole incident scored one point to Liberals and Secularists such as myself so expect a new reform in our favor. Seeing the idiocy and pure madness and disgust these walking cockroaches (Aka: Islamic clerics) are, it will be shorter than I originally thought to flush their kind out of the country for good.

And quickly!

Very very very quickly!

 

[al-Hasani]

What is the point of this thread? Clerics or not sick people do exist in all societies and have always done that. I see no reason to drag a lunatics actions and equal that with that of all Islamic clerics. In fact I find that offensive and I am disappointed that fellow Saudis, Arabs and Muslims think this way.

 

[Chak Bamu]

I am anti-Wahabist, but I would not subscribe to bashing of religious scholars even if they be Wahabis. They have their place in the grand scheme of things. Kicking out religion altogether from public sphere would be at the cost of Common decency. Religious police and such are perhaps too strict and ultimately un-needed, but if a society be conservative at large, it better be kept that way. Liberalism in itself is a one-way ticket. I would not want my daughters to follow Western and/or liberal role models.

If the likes of the pervert in question gives an excuse to some people for bashing religion / religious scholars and practicing Muslims, then that would be extremism on the other end of the spectrum.

 

[notsuperstitious]

I am anti-Wahabist, but I would not subscribe to bashing of religious scholars even if they be Wahabis. They have their place in the grand scheme of things. Kicking out religion altogether from public sphere would be at the cost of Common decency. Religious police and such are perhaps too strict and ultimately un-needed, but if a society be conservative at large, it better be kept that way. Liberalism in itself is a one-way ticket. I would not want my daughters to follow Western and/or liberal role models.

If the likes of the pervert in question gives an excuse to some people for bashing religion / religious scholars and practicing Muslims, then that would be extremism on the other end of the spectrum.

Nobody's bashing religion because of one lunatic. But people are questioning the religious system that allowed that lunatic to be out and free just by paying some cash.

Its fully understood that lunatics exist everywhere. Yes some posts have generalised, agreed.

@Secur , there is diyya even for deliberate murder. There were examples during the four caliphs times too. Please provide reference if I'm wrong. Apologies for asking a religious question.

 

[Secur]

@Secur , there is diyya even for deliberate murder. There were examples during the four caliphs times too. Please provide reference if I'm wrong. Apologies for asking a religious question.

My knowledge fails me then , if such a thing exists ... Maybe some other member can answer it clearly ... I would really be surprised to hear that what you are saying is true ...

 

[Azazel]

I am anti-Wahabist, but I would not subscribe to bashing of religious scholars even if they be Wahabis. They have their place in the grand scheme of things. Kicking out religion altogether from public sphere would be at the cost of Common decency. Religious police and such are perhaps too strict and ultimately un-needed, but if a society be conservative at large, it better be kept that way. Liberalism in itself is a one-way ticket. I would not want my daughters to follow Western and/or liberal role models.

If the likes of the pervert in question gives an excuse to some people for bashing religion / religious scholars and practicing Muslims, then that would be extremism on the other end of the spectrum.

Sir,Your thoughts are in line with Liberalism we are talking about.

 

[Chak Bamu]

Nobody's bashing religion because of one lunatic. But people are questioning the religious system that allowed that lunatic to be out and free just by paying some cash.

Its fully understood that lunatics exist everywhere. Yes some posts have generalised, agreed.

@Secur , there is diyya even for deliberate murder. There were examples during the four caliphs times too. Please provide reference if I'm wrong. Apologies for asking a religious question.

I am not an expert by any stretch of imagination. But I can make two arguments.

1. When the murderer is the father himself, then to who is to decide whether diyya would suffice or not? Who would receive diyya? Islamic law has the notion of diyya or outright forgiveness from the blood relatives.

2. Modern jurisprudence sees the state as a party when it comes to prosecuting crime. I see no problem in this principle when applied to intra-family murder. Keeping in view the extreme brutality and the fact that the victim was a defenceless young child, I think that this issue ought to be given precedence.

Again, I am no expert. But I am sure that this should happen. Otherwise nobody would have faith in the judicial process in Saudi Arabia.

Sir,Your thoughts are in line with Liberalism we are talking about.

But if I have to describe myself, I would consider myself as a sufi struggling along the path. I do not consider myself a liberal. That is a loaded term.

 

[Azazel]

But if I have to describe myself, I would consider myself as a sufi struggling along the path. I do not consider myself a liberal. That is a loaded term.

Sufis were the most liberal Muslims in the history.You are just afraid of the label liberal because its considered a bad term in Country.

 

[notsuperstitious]

I am not an expert by any stretch of imagination. But I can make two arguments.

1. When the murderer is the father himself, then to who is to decide whether diyya would suffice or not? Who would receive diyya? Islamic law has the notion of diyya or outright forgiveness from the blood relatives.

2. Modern jurisprudence sees the state as a party when it comes to prosecuting crime. I see no problem in this principle when applied to intra-family murder. Keeping in view the extreme brutality and the fact that the victim was a defenceless young child, I think that this issue ought to be given precedence.

Again, I am no expert. But I am sure that this should happen. Otherwise nobody would have faith in the judicial process in Saudi Arabia.

What you are saying makes absolute sense. Yes it should happen.

However I was asking from a religious viewpoint. Can judges overrule a diyya settlement?

 

[Chak Bamu]

What you are saying makes absolute sense. Yes it should happen.

However I was asking from a religious viewpoint. Can judges overrule a diyya settlement?

I do not know. There ought to be a review process. But in this case some influence seems to have been at work. I do not know if Civil Society is active enough in Saudi Arabia to make sense prevail.

 

[Syrian Lion]

What else do you expect from the religious nutjobs trying to grip the country with their dimmented hand of backwardness and shame.

First I was shocked and surprised. But knowing he Su a religious preacher it surprises me none. They are the lowest scum the earth can muster to bring. The sight of their disgusting beards makes me shiver.

really? double standard ha? you support Arour who appears on the same tv channels, and does the same thing as this guy who raped his 5 year old daughter ..

 

[Mosamania]

I am anti-Wahabist, but I would not subscribe to bashing of religious scholars even if they be Wahabis. They have their place in the grand scheme of things. Kicking out religion altogether from public sphere would be at the cost of Common decency. Religious police and such are perhaps too strict and ultimately un-needed, but if a society be conservative at large, it better be kept that way. Liberalism in itself is a one-way ticket. I would not want my daughters to follow Western and/or liberal role models.

If the likes of the pervert in question gives an excuse to some people for bashing religion / religious scholars and practicing Muslims, then that would be extremism on the other end of the spectrum.

Who are these "Wahabis" you are Anti of?? You do realize this thing doesn't exist in this version of Earth right? I don't know about other parallel universes, but it does not exist in this one.

 

[Chak Bamu]

Who are these "Wahabis" you are Anti of?? You do realize this thing doesn't exist in this version of Earth right? I don't know about other parallel universes, but it does not exist in this one.

Brother, I can not quite understand what you mean. Do understand that there is significant difference in our respective experiences relating to religion. If you do not not know who the followers of Abdul Wahad Najdi are then what can I say...

 

[Mosamania]

Brother, I can not quite understand what you mean. Do understand that there is significant difference in our respective experiences relating to religion. If you do not not know who the followers of Abdul Wahad Najdi are then what can I say...

Who is this "Abdul Wahad Najdi"? You mean Abdulwahab Al-Tamimi? It clearly shows the extent of your knowledge which is apparently doesn't go very far.

There is no such a thing as Wahabi, it is a made up name to a made up concept meant as propaganda against KSA. And that name irritates me because it is a sign of ignorance and I hate ignorance.

 

[haviZsultan]

Pathetic, sad act by a Wahabi mullah... very sad. These abuses have become common everywhere today unfortunately... even in secular Maldives a crowd was about to sacrifice a man for alleged blasphemy. Wahabism has permeated our souls today like cancer and it ensures we do not think-do not question the stupidity. We do not know what we are doing.

We are the sons of Ibn Rushd not murderers.