Projects Azm, Hangor & Haider

[Asian.Century]

Loved to see Haider Tank, Hangor & 5th Gen Project Azm materialise as fast as possible.

 

[The Accountant]

Loved to see Haider Tank, Hangor & 5th Gen Project Azm materialise as fast as possible.

whats hangoor?

 

[M.AsfandYar]

whats hangoor?

Shark.
Its a sub.

 

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whats hangoor?

The Yuan Class submarines we are getting from China.

 

[Asian.Century]

whats hangoor?

Pakistan #Navy to acquire and build 8X Hangor Class Submarines.

Hangor New Submarines - Type 041 Yuan-class
China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation confirmed 15 October 2016 a project to export eight attack submarines to Pakistan. The corporation held a conference to discuss the details of the arrangement. The corporation's chairman Hu Wenming, said the project aimed to continue the spirit generated by Chinese President Xi Jinping's speeches on the Belt & Road Construction Work Symposium. In April 2016 Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif approved the deal, which could be one of China's largest overseas weapons sales once it is signed. The deal could cost between US$4 billion to US$5 billion and it’s anticipated that China will extend a low interest rate loan.

The first four submarines are stated to be delivered by the end of 2023. The others being assembled in Karachi are set to be completed by 2028. This acquisition of new subs is a part of Pakistan’s effort to upgrade its capabilities in underwater warfare. It is thought that the eight subs will form the foundation of the country’s blossoming sea-based nuclear second-strike triad.

In Islamabad the head of Pakistan’s next-generation submarine program announced 26 August 2016 to the country’s National Assembly Standing Committee on Defense, while on a visit to Naval headquarters that the Chinese government will supply eight modified diesel-electric attack submarines to Pakistan by the year 2028. The announcement confirmed that the project was going forward. Rear Admiral Syed Hassan Nasir Shah announced in April 2016 that a contract had been secured by the Karachi Shipyard & Engineering Works (KSEW) to construct four of the eight submarines, with the other four being built by the China Shipbuilding Trading Company (CSTC).

The submarines will be fitted with air-independent propulsion (AIP) systems. Some speculation surrounds what type of submarine the Pakistani Navy will receive. One Pakistani Foreign Ministry official said, "In the recent past, there have been reports of discussions for the Type 041 submarines." Other media sources have reported that “Pakistan will also build two types of submarines with Chinese assistance: the Project S-26 and Project S-30. The vessels are to be built at the Submarine Rebuild Complex (SRC) facility being developed at Ormara, west of Karachi."

Most analysts believe that the new craft will be a lighter version of the Type 039 and Type 041 Yuan-class conventional attack submarine used by the People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN). The Type 041 Yuan-class sub is a diesel electric attack submarine (SSK), potentially with Stirling air-independent propulsion, that is armed with YJ-2 (YJ-82) anti-ship missiles and a combination of Yu-4 (SAET-50) passive homing and Yu-3 (SET-65E) active/passive homing torpedoes. The export version of the smaller submarine, displacing some 2,300 tons, is designated as S20.

Wuhan-based China State Shipbuilding Industrial Corp (CSIC) was reported to have signed a contract in April 2011 to deliver six Type 032 Qing-class conventional attack submarines (SSK) from the Wuchang Shipyard. Each can carry three CJ-10K submarine-launched, 1,500km-range land attack cruise missiles (LACM) capable of being armed with unitary tactical nuclear warheads. The first Qing is a Test Platform to test the JL-2 Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles. The Qings Pakistan signed up for won't be ready before the 2016/17 timeframe. A total of three such SSKs were reported to be on order from China’s PLA Navy as well.

This claim must be taken with a grain of salt. The story was very poorly attested [there is only one primary instance], and in some respects raises more questions than it answers. Type 032 Qing-class is a lot of submarine to be carrying only three torpedo sized cruise missiles. Most reporting suggests that the PLAN was only buying one of this type as an SLBM test platform, and the reported three units is too many for test purposes but not enough for operational applications. The export by China to Pakistan of the 1,500km-range CJ-10K cruise missile would be a clear violation of the Missile Technology Control Regime.

The Pakistani government was reported to have approved the purchase of eight new submarines from China in March 2015, with the intent of balancing India’s expanding navy fleet. Pakistani Navy officials said the National Security Committee had given the final go ahead for plans to purchase eight submarines from China. Pakistan had been negotiating the submarine purchase with China since 2011, with initial plans to purchase six, and subsequently raising the number to eight. The plan was viewed as a means to address the country’s force imbalance with India.

"The National Security Committee has approved, in principle, the acquisition of eight Chinese submarines," Additional Secretary of the ministry Rear Admiral Mukhtar Khan said to the National Assembly’s Standing Committee on Defense. He added that the Secretary of the Economics Affairs Division Muhammad Saleem Sethi is expected to discuss the issue further when he travels to China on 01 April 2015.

Officials said that other proposals were being considered, noting that the "Pakistan Navy is also in touch with Germany, Britain and France to purchase used submarines." Negotiations with Germany had been stymied in the past over cost disagreements and opposition in the European country to the sale of submarines to Pakistan in 2004. Pakistan had also held negotiations with France in the past for acquiring their Scorpène-class submarines. According to Naval officials, France had refused to pursue the sales for several reasons, among them the fact that it was already selling the same submarines to India.

The type of submarines and the cost has not yet been revealed yet, although an officials speaking IHS Jane said "in the recent past, there have been reports of discussions for the Type 041 submarines." In terms of the cost, retired Lieutenant General Talat Masood estimated a price of less $5 million per submarine. Given the close defense collaboration between China and Pakistan, Masood explained that Beijing is likely to extend a long-term loan at a low interest rate to cover the cost of the submarines.

In 2015 Pakistan and China finalized a deal for Islamabad to purchase eight modified Type 41 Yuan-class diesel-electric attack submarines from China. The export designation is the S20, which excludes the air-independent propulsion system. The Yuan-class SSK has a submerged displacement of 3600 tons, the export focused S20 submarine is lighter at 2300 tons submerged.

China will build four of eight submarines that it will sell to Pakistan in Karachi, Pakistan’s largest city and the most important city on the ArabianSea. The announcement was made 11 October 2015 by Pakistani Minister for Defense Production, Rana Tanveer Hussain, at the Defense Export Promotion Organization (DEPO) Display Centre in Islamabad.

The deal represents Beijing’s largest defense deal abroad as the price is estimated at around $5 billion. But apart from a commercial success this deal will also reinforce the PLAN’s ability to function in far-flung waters in the western Indian Ocean, where China often conducts anti-piracy operations.

The submarines the Navy is acquiring from China will be able to carry a submarine launch variant of the Babur land attack cruise missile (LACM). The Pakistan Navy has not been shy in recent years to express its intention to complete Pakistan’s nuclear strike triad.

Probably there is a Naval version of Babur in works. Some observers thought it was out of question to install a SLCM of Babur specifications on these submarines. However, it has the same external dimensions as the US Tomahawk sea-launched cruise missile (SLCM) so there does not seem to be any reason it could not be fired from 533 mm tubes. Even if there were a problem with the Babar / Ra'ad, the Dolphin class torpedo tubes were modified to 650 mm to launch Popeye Turbo. The Dolphins have 10 bow tubes, four are 650 mm and capable of housing swimmer delivery vehicles and the remaining six tubes are 533 mm, for heavyweight torpedoes.

 

[The Accountant]

Pakistan #Navy to acquire and build 8X Hangor Class Submarines.

Hangor New Submarines - Type 041 Yuan-class
China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation confirmed 15 October 2016 a project to export eight attack submarines to Pakistan. The corporation held a conference to discuss the details of the arrangement. The corporation's chairman Hu Wenming, said the project aimed to continue the spirit generated by Chinese President Xi Jinping's speeches on the Belt & Road Construction Work Symposium. In April 2016 Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif approved the deal, which could be one of China's largest overseas weapons sales once it is signed. The deal could cost between US$4 billion to US$5 billion and it’s anticipated that China will extend a low interest rate loan.

The first four submarines are stated to be delivered by the end of 2023. The others being assembled in Karachi are set to be completed by 2028. This acquisition of new subs is a part of Pakistan’s effort to upgrade its capabilities in underwater warfare. It is thought that the eight subs will form the foundation of the country’s blossoming sea-based nuclear second-strike triad.

In Islamabad the head of Pakistan’s next-generation submarine program announced 26 August 2016 to the country’s National Assembly Standing Committee on Defense, while on a visit to Naval headquarters that the Chinese government will supply eight modified diesel-electric attack submarines to Pakistan by the year 2028. The announcement confirmed that the project was going forward. Rear Admiral Syed Hassan Nasir Shah announced in April 2016 that a contract had been secured by the Karachi Shipyard & Engineering Works (KSEW) to construct four of the eight submarines, with the other four being built by the China Shipbuilding Trading Company (CSTC).

The submarines will be fitted with air-independent propulsion (AIP) systems. Some speculation surrounds what type of submarine the Pakistani Navy will receive. One Pakistani Foreign Ministry official said, "In the recent past, there have been reports of discussions for the Type 041 submarines." Other media sources have reported that “Pakistan will also build two types of submarines with Chinese assistance: the Project S-26 and Project S-30. The vessels are to be built at the Submarine Rebuild Complex (SRC) facility being developed at Ormara, west of Karachi."

Most analysts believe that the new craft will be a lighter version of the Type 039 and Type 041 Yuan-class conventional attack submarine used by the People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN). The Type 041 Yuan-class sub is a diesel electric attack submarine (SSK), potentially with Stirling air-independent propulsion, that is armed with YJ-2 (YJ-82) anti-ship missiles and a combination of Yu-4 (SAET-50) passive homing and Yu-3 (SET-65E) active/passive homing torpedoes. The export version of the smaller submarine, displacing some 2,300 tons, is designated as S20.

Wuhan-based China State Shipbuilding Industrial Corp (CSIC) was reported to have signed a contract in April 2011 to deliver six Type 032 Qing-class conventional attack submarines (SSK) from the Wuchang Shipyard. Each can carry three CJ-10K submarine-launched, 1,500km-range land attack cruise missiles (LACM) capable of being armed with unitary tactical nuclear warheads. The first Qing is a Test Platform to test the JL-2 Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles. The Qings Pakistan signed up for won't be ready before the 2016/17 timeframe. A total of three such SSKs were reported to be on order from China’s PLA Navy as well.

This claim must be taken with a grain of salt. The story was very poorly attested [there is only one primary instance], and in some respects raises more questions than it answers. Type 032 Qing-class is a lot of submarine to be carrying only three torpedo sized cruise missiles. Most reporting suggests that the PLAN was only buying one of this type as an SLBM test platform, and the reported three units is too many for test purposes but not enough for operational applications. The export by China to Pakistan of the 1,500km-range CJ-10K cruise missile would be a clear violation of the Missile Technology Control Regime.

The Pakistani government was reported to have approved the purchase of eight new submarines from China in March 2015, with the intent of balancing India’s expanding navy fleet. Pakistani Navy officials said the National Security Committee had given the final go ahead for plans to purchase eight submarines from China. Pakistan had been negotiating the submarine purchase with China since 2011, with initial plans to purchase six, and subsequently raising the number to eight. The plan was viewed as a means to address the country’s force imbalance with India.

"The National Security Committee has approved, in principle, the acquisition of eight Chinese submarines," Additional Secretary of the ministry Rear Admiral Mukhtar Khan said to the National Assembly’s Standing Committee on Defense. He added that the Secretary of the Economics Affairs Division Muhammad Saleem Sethi is expected to discuss the issue further when he travels to China on 01 April 2015.

Officials said that other proposals were being considered, noting that the "Pakistan Navy is also in touch with Germany, Britain and France to purchase used submarines." Negotiations with Germany had been stymied in the past over cost disagreements and opposition in the European country to the sale of submarines to Pakistan in 2004. Pakistan had also held negotiations with France in the past for acquiring their Scorpène-class submarines. According to Naval officials, France had refused to pursue the sales for several reasons, among them the fact that it was already selling the same submarines to India.

The type of submarines and the cost has not yet been revealed yet, although an officials speaking IHS Jane said "in the recent past, there have been reports of discussions for the Type 041 submarines." In terms of the cost, retired Lieutenant General Talat Masood estimated a price of less $5 million per submarine. Given the close defense collaboration between China and Pakistan, Masood explained that Beijing is likely to extend a long-term loan at a low interest rate to cover the cost of the submarines.

In 2015 Pakistan and China finalized a deal for Islamabad to purchase eight modified Type 41 Yuan-class diesel-electric attack submarines from China. The export designation is the S20, which excludes the air-independent propulsion system. The Yuan-class SSK has a submerged displacement of 3600 tons, the export focused S20 submarine is lighter at 2300 tons submerged.

China will build four of eight submarines that it will sell to Pakistan in Karachi, Pakistan’s largest city and the most important city on the ArabianSea. The announcement was made 11 October 2015 by Pakistani Minister for Defense Production, Rana Tanveer Hussain, at the Defense Export Promotion Organization (DEPO) Display Centre in Islamabad.

The deal represents Beijing’s largest defense deal abroad as the price is estimated at around $5 billion. But apart from a commercial success this deal will also reinforce the PLAN’s ability to function in far-flung waters in the western Indian Ocean, where China often conducts anti-piracy operations.

The submarines the Navy is acquiring from China will be able to carry a submarine launch variant of the Babur land attack cruise missile (LACM). The Pakistan Navy has not been shy in recent years to express its intention to complete Pakistan’s nuclear strike triad.

Probably there is a Naval version of Babur in works. Some observers thought it was out of question to install a SLCM of Babur specifications on these submarines. However, it has the same external dimensions as the US Tomahawk sea-launched cruise missile (SLCM) so there does not seem to be any reason it could not be fired from 533 mm tubes. Even if there were a problem with the Babar / Ra'ad, the Dolphin class torpedo tubes were modified to 650 mm to launch Popeye Turbo. The Dolphins have 10 bow tubes, four are 650 mm and capable of housing swimmer delivery vehicles and the remaining six tubes are 533 mm, for heavyweight torpedoes.

Actually i was not aware that submarines are being called hangoor ... Thanks

 

[Incog_nito]

The Pilatus PC-7 and SAAB Mushak are not on the same performance level of flying, hence the two cannot be compared. PC-7 and Mushak are used at different stages of flight training. Source: ex-PAF pilot who flew Mushaks and has 5000+ hours in PC-7.

Cheers !!!


Yes a proposal for an aerospace corporation is in the preliminary stages.

I feel & I have even read a lot in this forum that Military just wants to concentrate on operational side. R&D, Production, & overhaul kind of duties should be handled by private corps.

 

[Asian.Century]

HAIDER: UNDERSTANDING PAKISTAN’S NEXT-GENERATION TANK
http://quwa.org/2016/05/24/haider-understanding-pakistans-next-generation-tank/

In 2015, the Pakistan Army evaluated a number of next-generation main battle tanks (MBT), including the Chinese NORINCO VT-4. The program is under the designation “Haider,” a new MBT positioned to support the al-Khalid series of MBTs in the Army’s tank formations.

On the surface, it may seem curious why the Pakistan Army is searching for a new tank, especially when it already has the al-Khalid. After all, the al-Khalid was to form the mainstay of the Army’s tank inventory, and there is nothing to stop the design from incorporating new subsystems (such as self-protection suites) should they become available. What is the need for the Haider?

If the VT-4 (and another potential contestant, the Ukrainian Oplot-M) is to be considered, then it seems that the Haider program is leaning on the heavier side. In other words, the Pakistan Army is beginning to shift from its preference for highly mobile – but lightweight – MBTs in favour of heavier and up-armoured designs. The al-Khalid sits in the 45-ton area, the VT-4 and Oplot-M weigh a little over 50 tons. If powered by 1500hp engines, these designs could potentially take on even more weight should Pakistan require it.

Pakistan was reportedly even interested in the Turkish Otokar Altay MBT, a heavyweight of 65 tons. While not currently available for export (as Turkey needs to secure an exportable powerplant), the Army’s look at the Altay may indicate an interest in heavier and qualitatively driven MBTs. Weight, power and armour aside, the Altay is flush with cutting-edge subsystems, most notably the Akkor active self-protection suiteproduced by the Turkish electronics giant Aselsan.

To quantify what an active protection suite such as the Akkor would offer, it would be a good idea to start with how tanks are currently protected. There is the armour, but if facing a high velocity guided anti-tank missile (ATGM), one would prefer having that missile scuttled before it reaches the tank. This is done by trying to bury the ATGM’s guidance method, such as laser (through the use of a smokescreen). A passive protection suite basically tries to drive the incoming missile to miss; the Akkor active protection suite on the other hand will try to intercept the missile itself! Why is this important? Laser is not the only method of guiding modern (and especially future) ATGMs; millimeter wave (mmW) and imaging infrared (IIR) threaten to greatly neutralize current passive protection measures.

Now, combine that active protection suite with improved armour and up-powered powerplant in the tank. The result is a balanced and agile machine capable of withstanding punishment; add the ability to launch guided missiles and shells, said tank will also be capable of inflicting damage as well. Relative to the al-Khalid as it is today (we will get to its future development in a later article), the Haider would basically be the superior tank in every respect. As a platform, it gives Pakistan an opportunity to have a “smart tank” akin to the South Korean K2 Black Panther (developed by Hyundai Rotem).

By “smart tank” we refer to the idea of pairing a tank’s inherent firepower and defensive qualities within a network-centric warfare environment. Imagine a scenario where the Pakistan Army acquires an air-to-ground tactical data-link system that enables the Haider to build its situational awareness based on sensor data taken from a GMTI-SAR. The GMTI-SAR would enable the Haider to see a real-time picture of the battlefield with an understanding of enemy movements. The tank crew can proactively adjust their movements vis-à-vis the enemy, and do it in very close concert with their close air support (CAS)cover. In this scenario, a true JSTARS-like system would be a major asset.

Together, this formation would be a credible offensive asset and a means to add substantive depth to the Army’s conventional deterrence. Pakistan will not benefit from air superiority in a future war, but a sufficient number of (air covered) resilient machines on the ground networked to sensors that can acquire the complete battlefield picture could help Pakistan contest in tough situations.

In tandem, the comparatively lower-cost al-Khalid-series can be bought to continue phasing out the T-59 MBTs – in time, become the backbone. The Haider can serve as the offensive asset, and the al-Khalid can sit as a defensive or holding corps workhorse. Certain aspects of the Haider, such as the up-rated engine, newer armour technology, guided attack capabilities, and active protection suite could also be brought to the al-Khalid over the long-term. Of course, cost and added gains need to be balanced, there is no point in having an al-Khalid variant that ends up being as expensive as the Haider.

Besides the operational gains of the Haider, there is an industrial and self-reliance opportunity as well. The Army seems to have identified a new need, but it does not necessarily need to open a parallel support line – at least not entirely. Subsystems such as the powerplant, electronics, cannon, munitions, armour technology, and protection suite could be made common across the Army’s tank stable. These systems can be scaled across thousands of vehicles in the long-term, and in turn, should warrant domestic support. Local production and continued in-house support and development is a must.

The aforementioned technology can also be applied to wheeled vehicles as well, such as the 8×8 armoured personnel carrier (APC) the Army has been seeking for some time. In parallel with its tracked armour, the Army could even build up a mobility-centric offensive element as well.

 

[THE DESERT FOX]

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Project Azm:
prototypes of 5th gen fighters are to be expected between 2025 and 2026 and after trials production will start in 2028 inshAllah
Project Haider:
its not a project in which we are going to develop a completely new tank out of scratch but it is most probably the name of the new tank which will be most likely bought and named AlHAIDER .The tank according to recent news is going to be VT-4 which will be bought from china to fill up the deficiencies of local tank production.After license production starts it will be named ALHAIDER to replace older tanks especially t55/59.