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Seems to like 6th generation air frame and conceptInteresting new design/patent filed by China
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Seems to like 6th generation air frame and conceptInteresting new design/patent filed by China
Could be a heavily upgraded J-20? I would think the 6th generation fighter would bear much less resemblance to the fifth generation fighter. Maybe this is an evolution of the J-20 planned for near 2030 prior to the arrival of the sixth generation fighter.Seems to like 6th generation air frame and concept
If AZM bases on SAC/PLAN's J-35(?) project, that may be possible...Even if the final design of AZM was already finalised- what i don't believe - and a prototype could be build in 2023, it will never enter production phase already in 2026 or even fully combat operational in 2018. That's plain impossible and even more ridiculous than these Turkish claims for their TFX.
If AZM bases on SAC/PLAN's J-35(?) project, that may be possible...
OK, I take back what I said.
IMO forget it ... this statement alone ruins everything:
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Even if the final design of AZM was already finalised- what i don't believe - and a prototype could be build in 2023, it will never enter production phase already in 2026 or even fully combat operational in 2018. That's plain impossible and even more ridiculous than these Turkish claims for their TFX.
@Quwa ??
These is not official timeline given. Rough estimate is that the first proto type may fly its maiden flight in early 2030sA thread written by @WPCION
THREAD on Project Azm and JF-17 Block 3.
Today I visited Pakistan Aeronautical Complex Kamra and received multiple briefings from the engineers and command working there.
Project Azm is Pakistan Air Force’s Project to make a viable and cost-effective but totally indigenous fifth generation fighter aircraft, a Medium-altitude long endurance (MALE) UAV and an advanced SAM missile system.
The Project Azm NGFA has already been assigned a huge building in AvRiD, Kamra and work on it is in the early design phases.
PAF is exploring VTOL capabilities on the NGFA as well.
As from the models I’ve seen currently 3 designs are being studied, one of which is a flying wing design, which is unlikely to be selected according to the engineers. The other two look very much like the YF-23 Black Widow. One is being studied with dorsal air intakes.
The design philosophy is of a twin engine delta wing design double vertical and horizontal stabiliser that most resembles a YF-23, pictured below. These pictures are the most accurate representation of what I saw of the models.
Most likely a delta wing YF-23 design will be chosen.
The Project Azm MALE UAV prototypes have been built and flown and will enter production next year, InshAllah
The SAM system’s progress is classified but well underway.
Project Azm NGFA is projected to enter prototype build phase in 2023 and become fully combat operational not later than 2028. Probably will enter production in 2026.
What you here forgetting is that only the announcement of Azm project came in 2017 but preliminary study for NGF were initiated year or two before 2017IMO forget it ... this statement alone ruins everything:
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Even if the final design of AZM was already finalised- what i don't believe - and a prototype could be build in 2023, it will never enter production phase already in 2026 or even fully combat operational in 2018. That's plain impossible and even more ridiculous than these Turkish claims for their TFX.
@Quwa ??
A thread written by @WPCION
THREAD on Project Azm and JF-17 Block 3.
Today I visited Pakistan Aeronautical Complex Kamra and received multiple briefings from the engineers and command working there.
Project Azm is Pakistan Air Force’s Project to make a viable and cost-effective but totally indigenous fifth generation fighter aircraft, a Medium-altitude long endurance (MALE) UAV and an advanced SAM missile system.
The Project Azm NGFA has already been assigned a huge building in AvRiD, Kamra and work on it is in the early design phases.
PAF is exploring VTOL capabilities on the NGFA as well.
As from the models I’ve seen currently 3 designs are being studied, one of which is a flying wing design, which is unlikely to be selected according to the engineers. The other two look very much like the YF-23 Black Widow. One is being studied with dorsal air intakes.
The design philosophy is of a twin engine delta wing design double vertical and horizontal stabiliser that most resembles a YF-23, pictured below. These pictures are the most accurate representation of what I saw of the models.
Most likely a delta wing YF-23 design will be chosen.
The Project Azm MALE UAV prototypes have been built and flown and will enter production next year, InshAllah
The SAM system’s progress is classified but well underway.
Project Azm NGFA is projected to enter prototype build phase in 2023 and become fully combat operational not later than 2028. Probably will enter production in 2026.
As for JF-17 Block 3, most salient features will be:
AESA Radar, more hardpoints, BVR missile support (most important), and superior avionics. Prototypes of block 3 are being tested. They will be flight tested late this year or early 2020. And production will start in 2020.
Block 4,5 will also be developed and made in the 2023-2030 timeframe in which major airframe and engine changes will be made. Stealth will also be added with technology transferred from Project Azm.
I also witnessed the first two dual seater JF-17 B in final assembly. They were the first two serial production JF-17Bs. They will be used both for training and for battle/combat uses from the onset.
most fgfa's have absurd timelines. The YF-23 part was more what i was getting at which has been seenIMO forget it ... this statement alone ruins everything:
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Even if the final design of AZM was already finalised- what i don't believe - and a prototype could be build in 2023, it will never enter production phase already in 2026 or even fully combat operational in 2018. That's plain impossible and even more ridiculous than these Turkish claims for their TFX.
@Quwa ??
Things about JF17 B3 in above thread mostly turns out false. So will be the case with Project Azm rumors in this thread. YF-23 is a deflector, everyone's buying it easily and that put a big Question marks on it authenticity. Its not that simple, that someone go to PAC and knows all about our strategic projects written on the notice board explicitly, Com'on get some common sense.
Could be possible, as it is predicted the most project or early variants belong to different country 6th gen program may fall in 5.5 + generation if all 6th generation requirements not metCould be a heavily upgraded J-20? I would think the 6th generation fighter would bear much less resemblance to the fifth generation fighter. Maybe this is an evolution of the J-20 planned for near 2030 prior to the arrival of the sixth generation fighter.
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I will be very interested to know why the VTOL is being pursued.The Project Azm NGFA has already been assigned a huge building in AvRiD, Kamra and work on it is in the early design phases.
PAF is exploring VTOL capabilities on the NGFA as well.