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single engine or twin engine?Someone may or may not have seen project AZM design
I can say with 80% confidence that what I have seen is indeed AZM design. I've debated in my head about it and I have decided not to disclose anything about it. I will let some idiot do that when it becomes more widely known. I will only say this: It is a clean sheet design. Now whether Pakistan uses this design to get concessions on J-31/35 is anybody's guess.
Not saying a word. I will not utter a single word about it because I am a patriot, not an attention-seeking teenager. Even by merely saying as much as I did, I might have said too much. So, no details.single engine or twin engine?
I understand, best wishes to you.Not saying a word. I will not utter a single word about it because I am a patriot, not an attention-seeking teenager. Even by merely saying as much as I did, I might have said too much. So, no details.
Someone may or may not have seen project AZM design
I can say with 80% confidence that what I have seen is indeed AZM design. I've debated in my head about it and I have decided not to disclose anything about it. I will let some idiot do that when it becomes more widely known. I will only say this: It is a clean sheet design. Now whether Pakistan uses this design to get concessions on J-31/35 is anybody's guess.
Not saying a word. I will not utter a single word about it because I am a patriot, not an attention-seeking teenager. Even by merely saying as much as I did, I might have said too much. So, no details.
Someone may or may not have seen project AZM design
I can say with 80% confidence that what I have seen is indeed AZM design. I've debated in my head about it and I have decided not to disclose anything about it. I will let some idiot do that when it becomes more widely known. I will only say this: It is a clean sheet design. Now whether Pakistan uses this design to get concessions on J-31/35 is anybody's guess.
My younger self would have been very excited but I guess time takes its toll on everyone.Thank you for making my day. Had a stressful day and then reading this post just made it the best day ever. No need to say more, will harm national interest. I can already guess what it is from the single hint you gave, and if I can do that, so can someone else...
@Bilal Khan (Quwa) looks like it's a clean sheet design : )
Not saying a word. I will not utter a single word about it because I am a patriot, not an attention-seeking teenager. Even by merely saying as much as I did, I might have said too much. So, no details.
I agree. Moreover, we literally just had the CAS himself say the ASR is for a twin-engine jet, and that we are open to working in a consortium. He wouldn't bring up the consortium point if it wasn't on the table.My younger self would have been very excited but I guess time takes its toll on everyone.
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Design is a low bar. Each batch of aerospace engineering student in Pakistan designs an aircraft during their bachelor's. Our class made 36. Every year this happens. The point is that design (especially conceptual design) is an academic exercise that costs very little to do. Furthermore, it is done to get several candidate designs. Finally, these designs are very "big picture", so it's just configuration, shape, engine placement, MTOW etc. It doesn't say anything about where the components will be sourced from, how the manufacturing will take place, how will the avionics be constructed, is the design viable from a control systems perspective. That is, this kind of design is a very "back of the envelope" kind of thing. It is so basic that 3rd year aerospace engineering students do it all the time. And yes, it's PAF professors teaching us all this so I have a pretty good idea of what they must have done (and all the things they definitely don't know) @Goenitz @M.AsfandYar.
Then we can see the missing expertise/infrastructure at PAC for some critical subsystems (like control systems), and I wouldn't hold my breath for PAC producing a "clean-sheet" FGFA prototype within 5 years. I would give this goal at least 15-20 years (even this is optimistic).
Like @Chak Bamu I do not want to share all the things I am privy to on an open forum, but the things I've come into contact with do not fill me with confidence.
Just my (realistic or pessimistic) two cents.
My younger self would have been very excited but I guess time takes its toll on everyone.
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Design is a low bar. Each batch of aerospace engineering student in Pakistan designs an aircraft during their bachelor's. Our class made 36. Every year this happens. The point is that design (especially conceptual design) is an academic exercise that costs very little to do. Furthermore, it is done to get several candidate designs. Finally, these designs are very "big picture", so it's just configuration, shape, engine placement, MTOW etc. It doesn't say anything about where the components will be sourced from, how the manufacturing will take place, how will the avionics be constructed, is the design viable from a control systems perspective. That is, this kind of design is a very "back of the envelope" kind of thing. It is so basic that 3rd year aerospace engineering students do it all the time. And yes, it's PAF professors teaching us all this so I have a pretty good idea of what they must have done (and all the things they definitely don't know) @Goenitz @M.AsfandYar.
Then we can see the missing expertise/infrastructure at PAC for some critical subsystems (like control systems), and I wouldn't hold my breath for PAC producing a "clean-sheet" FGFA prototype within 5 years. I would give this goal at least 15-20 years (even this is optimistic).
Like @Chak Bamu I do not want to share all the things I am privy to on an open forum, but the things I've come into contact with do not fill me with confidence.
Just my (realistic or pessimistic) two cents.
1 year later...someone posts, "Did You Know Project Azm Had a Stealthy Tanker? The PAF didn't go for it (even though ALL of the capabilities were there) because Swift Retort veterans said 99% of all important targets in India are within 3 feet of the LoC"Just to give an idea, this was my aero-vehicle design project. I was assigned to make an aerial refueling tanker. I designed a flying wing/blended body wing. Just some snippets from it. The conceptual design took each student a semester.
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So you see, designs can be made quite easily by one dude sitting in his dorm-room. And this is from 10 years ago lol.
Disclaimer: This design is absolute garbage. Please don't put this on defencepk facebook page as design for Project Azm's refueler lol.
In that course we had a series of lecs by "visiting" members, one of them by a certain WC gave a presentation about future.My younger self would have been very excited but I guess time takes its toll on everyone.
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Design is a low bar. Each batch of aerospace engineering student in Pakistan designs an aircraft during their bachelor's. Our class made 36. Every year this happens. The point is that design (especially conceptual design) is an academic exercise that costs very little to do. Furthermore, it is done to get several candidate designs. Finally, these designs are very "big picture", so it's just configuration, shape, engine placement, MTOW etc. It doesn't say anything about where the components will be sourced from, how the manufacturing will take place, how will the avionics be constructed, is the design viable from a control systems perspective. That is, this kind of design is a very "back of the envelope" kind of thing. It is so basic that 3rd year aerospace engineering students do it all the time. And yes, it's PAF professors teaching us all this so I have a pretty good idea of what they must have done (and all the things they definitely don't know) @Goenitz @M.AsfandYar.
Then we can see the missing expertise/infrastructure at PAC for some critical subsystems (like control systems), and I wouldn't hold my breath for PAC producing a "clean-sheet" FGFA prototype within 5 years. I would give this goal at least 15-20 years (even this is optimistic).
Like @Chak Bamu I do not want to share all the things I am privy to on an open forum, but the things I've come into contact with do not fill me with confidence.
Just my (realistic or pessimistic) two cents.
Mine was a supersonic passenger plane And we were dictated on how it should look........Just to give an idea, this was my aero-vehicle design project. I was assigned to make an aerial refueling tanker. I designed a flying wing/blended body wing. Just some snippets from it. The conceptual design took each student a semester.
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So you see, designs can be made quite easily by one dude sitting in his dorm-room. And this is from 10 years ago lol.
Disclaimer: This design is absolute garbage. Please don't put this on defencepk facebook page as design for Project Azm's refueler lol.