Program on Tirah Valley Operation

[Safriz]

In the background of this screenshot, a Pakistan army soldier can be seen using a "Z" shaped contraption.
Its a self made arrangement with a mirror on each end so that the soldier can see over the wall and into the valley without exposing himself to Terrorist sniper fire.
Militaries of other countries use expensive cameras and other Hi-tech equipment for similar situation. Pakistan army using some cardboard and two mirrors, and it does the job.
There is no other institition in Pakistan who spends the allocated budget in a better and more effecient way than Pakistan army.

 

[Safriz]

The full video can be seen here

 

[The Accountant]

The full video can be seen here

Bro ... I am all in favor of allocating right budget for the army but sweeping statements like "There is no other institution in Pakistan who spends the allocated budget in a better and more efficient way than Pakistan army." are incorrect ...

We have a fair share of corruption in the army as well ... Defense procurements are very dirty and army personnel are involved with real estate mafia as well ...

So where we should praise the above efforts but we should also not pass sweeping statement in favor of army and against all other institutes ... We do have some gems in other institutes as well who has done a remarkable job for the country ...

 

[Safriz]

Bro ... I am all in favor of allocating right budget for the army but sweeping statements like "There is no other institution in Pakistan who spends the allocated budget in a better and more efficient way than Pakistan army." are incorrect ...

We have a fair share of corruption in the army as well ... Defense procurements are very dirty and army personnel are involved with real estate mafia as well ...

So where we should praise the above efforts but we should also not pass sweeping statement in favor of army and against all other institutes ... We do have some gems in other institutes as well who has done a remarkable job for the country ...

O chall oye GCSE kid...
Proof lao ilzaam laganay sey pehlay?
The sweeping statement stands true. No other institition does that much in their budget. And don't bother to find cost effective ways of doing the job without over expenditure .
Tumharay jaisay ..Pakistan kay baray mein koi bhii acchi baat sunn ker badhazmii ho jaati hai.

 

[Menace2Society]

Spend more money on education.

 

[Lincoln]

O chall oye GCSE kid...
Proof lao ilzaam laganay sey pehlay?
The sweeping statement stands true. No other institition does that much in their budget. And don't bother to find cost effective ways of doing the job without over expenditure .
Tumharay jaisay paidaish kay dinn hii Zee TV kay saamnay dump ker diey jaatay hain aur Indian rhethoric kay saath baray hotay hain..Pakistan kay baray mein koi bhii acchi baat sunn ker badhazmii ho jaati hai.

While they may not have a big budget, they have 70+ firms producing money in the country, it is estimated that these firms in total are worth around $20 billion or more. Most notable being DHA, apart from road construction and even fertilizer firms, mainly headed by active personnel.

The Pakistan Army also takes a chunk from Government pensions budget. I still remember, my father was a doctor at a government hospital and was sent for Hajj along with a delegation that included some Army ranks including a captain, somewhere along the talk, the captain told him that he will receive 2 plots in a defense phase, and a separate bungalow after retirement.

My Qari Sahab teaches children of Army ranks (majors i believe), in our talk (when I expressed desire to join PAF) he has told me about how big and well protected their villa's are, they have cars, and when they leave, there is one army vehicle in front and back.
I have seen it myself too.

While the lower tier doesn't get much at all, the upper ranks are well off. And that is something you cannot deny. There is an imbalance of wealth.

This doesn't mean they're taking 80% budget, but it does show how much they make via Army firms.

Just because you show a picture of a line soldier doesn't mean upper ranks are under the same condition.

 

[aziqbal]

Who cares

More money to the army and more resources for them

Our soldiers deserve the best

Other military’s give so much we hardly do anything for our boys

They deserve it

 

[Lincoln]

Who cares

More money to the army and more resources for them

Our soldiers deserve the best

Other military’s give so much we hardly do anything for our boys

They deserve it

Lets not let our civil institutions suffer though. Their budget is fine where it is, we are seriously lacking in education and infrastructural field, fix the engine instead if only polishing its armor if you want the car to run smoothly.

 

[Yaseen1]

In the background of this screenshot, a Pakistan army soldier can be seen using a "Z" shaped contraption.
Its a self made arrangement with a mirror on each end so that the soldier can see over the wall and into the valley without exposing himself to Terrorist sniper fire.
Militaries of other countries use expensive cameras and other Hi-tech equipment for similar situation. Pakistan army using some cardboard and two mirrors, and it does the job.
There is no other institition in Pakistan who spends the allocated budget in a better and more effecient way than Pakistan army.

Using mirror not give same results like camera and no recording can be made for investigation of terrorist attack it is inefficiency which need to be fixed it is not something to get proud of it is a matter of consideration that we are not making use of resources available properly if top leadership give sacrifice of some of their luxaries cameras can be bought for poor soldiers they are not so expensive

 

[The Accountant]

O chall oye GCSE kid...
Proof lao ilzaam laganay sey pehlay?
The sweeping statement stands true. No other institition does that much in their budget. And don't bother to find cost effective ways of doing the job without over expenditure .

Tumharay jaisay paidaish kay dinn hii Zee TV kay saamnay dump ker diey jaatay hain aur Indian rhethoric kay saath baray hotay hain..Pakistan kay baray mein koi bhii acchi baat sunn ker badhazmii ho jaati hai.

Badtameezi tu tm ker rahy ho ... quote one single statement jis me badtameezi ho ?

Second, there are lot of proof only if you can see, NLC scandal mn saza civilian ko hoi thi? Kiyani ka bhai kis k dam per corruption ker rha tha? Asghar Khan scandal kya tha? Malik Riaz k pechy kon hai?

Agher khulam khula corruption dekhni hai tu zara F16s ki stories search kero ... Pressler amendment k paisy wapis kitny % mily hain or q ... Isi forum per yeh chezain discuss hoi hain ...

Actually, you are having a slave mentality like ,patwari,, kisi ki ghulami kiy bagher demagh kaam hi nahi kerta ...

Tm mn or noon league mn kya fark hai ... Sb ankhon dekh ker bhi kehty han sabot nahi mila g ...

Ohh bhai fouj ki izzat kero un k kaam k ly,,, un ki pooja kerny ki zarorat nahi ...

Baki doosry institute mn tmhn kaisy pata k cost effective way mn chezain nahi kerty ? Tmhn wahan bhi aisi kaien misalien mil jayn gi ...

Who cares

More money to the army and more resources for them

Our soldiers deserve the best

Other military’s give so much we hardly do anything for our boys

They deserve it

There is no second opinion to this ... Our boys deserves as they are risking their life for us ...

But sweeping statements like army is pure and rest are corrupt is nothing but stupidity ... Where other government institutes are corrupt army also have corrupt officials in its ranks ...

 

[SecularNationalist]

O chall oye GCSE kid...
Proof lao ilzaam laganay sey pehlay?
The sweeping statement stands true. No other institition does that much in their budget. And don't bother to find cost effective ways of doing the job without over expenditure .
Tumharay jaisay paidaish kay dinn hii Zee TV kay saamnay dump ker diey jaatay hain aur Indian rhethoric kay saath baray hotay hain..Pakistan kay baray mein koi bhii acchi baat sunn ker badhazmii ho jaati hai.

And produce idiots like you , who don't know that books don't stop bullets. Also the thread is not about education.
Take your vegetarian idea elsewhere

Dude mind your language please.Just like you everyone here is entitled to give his or her opinion.Argue do not resort to insults.Or else everyone here is more capable of retaliating back with insults.
@waz @Horus

 

[Army research]

O chall oye GCSE kid...
Proof lao ilzaam laganay sey pehlay?
The sweeping statement stands true. No other institition does that much in their budget. And don't bother to find cost effective ways of doing the job without over expenditure .
Tumharay jaisay paidaish kay dinn hii Zee TV kay saamnay dump ker diey jaatay hain aur Indian rhethoric kay saath baray hotay hain..Pakistan kay baray mein koi bhii acchi baat sunn ker badhazmii ho jaati hai.

I'm from a army back ground and a lot of bast*rds especially MES do a hell of a lot of corruption

 

[Tps43]

I'm from a army back ground and a lot of bast*rds especially MES do a hell of a lot of corruption

MES is hell in all three services

 

[araz]

O chall oye GCSE kid...
Proof lao ilzaam laganay sey pehlay?
The sweeping statement stands true. No other institition does that much in their budget. And don't bother to find cost effective ways of doing the job without over expenditure .
Tumharay jaisay paidaish kay dinn hii Zee TV kay saamnay dump ker diey jaatay hain aur Indian rhethoric kay saath baray hotay hain..Pakistan kay baray mein koi bhii acchi baat sunn ker badhazmii ho jaati hai.

So you want people to prove to you how much corruption there is in the army. Look at the Luna deal. LOOK at various aothe racquisitions and you will know how much corruption there is. The Farrari case inb Baluchistan is another facet of the same. Army itself castigated a few Generals during Raheel 's time for embezzling in NLC. Just to name a few. You can prove your point but use of inappropriate language and Anglocized Urdu on an English forum is doing in justice to others. Sometimes we all do it but it should be discouraged.
Secondly keep your post sane and respectful even if the person addressing you is junior to you. Calling people names does not add value to the argument.
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[Jango]

the captain told him that he will receive 2 plots in a defense phase, and a separate bungalow after retirement.

Bhai hamain bhi aik do plots dila to phir.

BTW, these days even Brig are getting apartments, not plots, last I heard. There's a balloting process ongoing these days, which determines who gets a plot and who gets an apartment.