Problems in the INSAS

[Titanium]

Just look at the wording the poor army has to comeup while rejecting the shoddy quality of Bania's

PIB Press Release

The Army has reported certain deficiencies in some batches of 5.56 mm INSAS Rifle, 5.56 mm Light Machine Gun (LMG). Small Arms Ammunitions, Tank Ammunitions and Delay Igniter. The Armed Forces have segregated the affected quantity of arms and ammunitions for investigation/repair/modification.
Sl No. Item Reasons
1. 5.56 mm INSAS Rifle Problem of Oil Spray noticed. Periodical maintenance instructions have been amended and the design has been modified.
2. 5.56 mm INSAS Light Machine Gun Accelerated User cum Reliability Trial was conducted as an exercise to improve the quality. As on outcome certain modifications in design have been considered. These are being validated for incorporation.
3. 125 mm High Explosive Ammunition Burning Particles found during firing, due to use of Triple Base Propellant. Repair of segregated ammunition has been started and likely to be completed in next year.
4. 125 mm High Explosive Anti-Tank Ammunition
5. 125 MM Fin Stabilized Armour Piercing Discarding Sabot Quantity manufactured as per hybrid design approved by competent authority is being replaced and converted to original design to address the problem of burning particles found during firing. The repair is likely to be completed within 2007-08.
6. Igniter 4 Sec. Delay This igniter, which is used for hand and rifle grenades, was found to have problems during storage at the depots. Design Improvement has been carried out and a new variety has been offered to the Army for trial evaluation.
7. Small Arms Cartridge 7.62 mm Some ammunition became rusted during storage. The segregated ammunition has been repaired.
8. Small Arms Cartridge 5.56 mm A small quantity of this ammunition segregated due to material design defects has been repaired.
9. Coat Combat ICK A small quantity reported defective due to fitment problem is being replaced.

This information was given by the Minister of State for Defence Production Rao Inderjit Singh in a written reply to Shri Ananth Kumar in Lok Sabha today.

 

[Awesome]

Please post a link.

And for the future, post proper titles.

 

[zeus]

i have fired almost 15 rounds from 5.56 mm INSAS one hell of a gun better then those 7.62mm self-loading rifles

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

I have used the INSAS and I find it pretty good.

It was also used in the Kargil war quite effectively.

But if Titanium finds solace in what he has posted, I say jolly good.

But then he is no military man to see its effect!

He should read the Pakistani officers report, "Never Underestimate the enemy", which I posted in some thread!

I wish that the are more people like Titanium in the opposing army!

The dream of a Flag on Red Fort will never come!

 

[hoodhood1]

In this day and age Ii is obvious to "never underestimate an enemy".

 

[kidwaibhai]

i thought the Indian army was going for the Israeli tavor rifle

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I believe the Tavor was purchased to equip the Indian Special Forces - and some Indian version of the "Tavor Carbine" (or something of the sort) is being worked on.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

For NSG if I am not mistaken.

They are for VIP protection and such tasks.

 

[blain2]

For NSG if I am not mistaken.

They are for VIP protection and such tasks.

Actually the Tavors are for units such as SFF and also for CP units that maybe involved in CQ type situations (NSG would fall under that category). Not sure if NSG got any but the Indian Army Para Commandos received GALATZ (Sniper rifle variants of the Israeli Galil) and that has been in the press along with news of SFF receiving Tavors.

Indian Special Forces to get Israeli rifles

Chandigarh, July 17, 2005, Asit Jolly (Asian Age)

The Indian Army’s Special Forces units will over the next few weeks begin receiving Israeli 5.56 mm Tavor assault rifles equipped with UBGLs (under-barrel grenade launchers) as part of a $15-million deal for the close encounter weapons signed nearly three years ago.

Sources said the Israel Military Industry-built AR’s, delayed due to "technical problems", have finally been cleared following tests by Indian SF experts in Tel Aviv some months ago.

In an earlier $2-million deal, Israel had supplied between 350 to 400 Tavor 21s without UBGLs to the Special Frontier Force, an "indistinct", highly mobile and well-equipped quasi-military commando outfit used by the security agencies for highly classified missions, mostly involving terrorists. The SFF’s core group is deployed selectively from time to time, mostly in urban situations. Israel had also supplied the Army’s Special Forces around 120 Galil 7.62 sniper riffles two years ago for "irregular warfare".

Currently the Indian army has five Special Forces battalions and plans on adding another two over the next two years. It also has an additional three specialised parachute battalions that are trained for Special Forces-style strategic missions behind enemy lines, and for anti-terrorist operations. According to official sources, initial Special Forces raisings in India were trained by the Israelis in anti-insurgency operations. In the mid-1980s Israel had trained and armed the Special Protection Group after its raising as a commando force for VIP protection even though Delhi and Tel Aviv had no formal diplomatic relations. These were formally established in early 1992.

The Israeli Military Industry is, meanwhile, also involved in talks with India’s Ordnance Factory Board to transfer technology to locally manufacture Tavor 21s to meet additional projected requirements for an additional 10,000 ARs. The locally designed and built 5.56 mm Indian small arm system, or INSAS assault rifle, that continues to face technical problems, is not suitable for the Special Forces, or the Para units.

In a related development, the US is also to begin supplying around 15 to 20 types of specialised equipment for the Army’s Special Forces units, including laser designators, helmets, body armour and a range of other classified gear. The agreement with Washington follows the joint manoeuvres conducted by the Indian and the USSF in Ladakh two years ago, and subsequent interaction between the two specialised forces.

The Indian Army’s updated doctrine stresses a "proactive role" for the Special Forces to perform specialised tasks similar to the missions by the USSF in the 2001 war against the Afghan Taliban, and in Iraq three years later.

The Army will also invite at least five local and overseas companies to compete for its requirement of 55,000 to 60,000 pieces of 5.56 mm light machine carbines. This would be accompanied by a transfer of technology to either the OFB, or a private manufacturer, to produce over 600,000 pieces under licence to replace the outdated WW II Sten guns still in use with the Army, paramilitary units and state police forces. The OFB is also looking at the possibility of exporting these weapons in keeping with the new ministry of defence guidelines regarding transfer of technology that were recently announced by defence minister Pranab Mukherjee The Indian Army also proposes to raise two airborne special operations squadrons by 2010. Two years ago the Indian Air Force had raised its own Special Forces unit, the Garuda Force, for counter-terrorism and anti-hijacking operations while the Indian Navy has the Marine Commandos.

 

[Titanium]

Please post a link.

And for the future, post proper titles.

Asim, the link is provided in the original post itself.

About the "proper" title, well just like to say am following the eepisodes....

 

[EagleEyes]

Your watching too much dramas Titanium! Stop it now already.

 

[Titanium]

Kya karen kontrol nahin hota, wait for the next episode of Euroopter and Bell 407.

 

[Neo]

Asim, the link is provided in the original post itself.

About the "proper" title, well just like to say am following the eepisodes....

The correct title is 'REJECTION OF INDIGENOUS WEAPONS BY ARMED FORCES '.
I strongly suggest you follow forum rules rather than 'the eepisodes' if you wanna last...

Cheers!

 

[zeus]

Kya karen kontrol nahin hota, wait for the next episode of Euroopter and Bell 407.

man side effect of watching to much of ekta kapoor saas bahu dramas in Pakistan

 

[ak56]

Back to the subject. Tavor is a good weapon for close range combat, as it is short. This enables better hold and movement. But Indian army has ordered less than 10,000 which means its only for special forces. This number is not enough to arm even a division of Army. INSAS/AK47 is a cheaper solution.