Pro-Russian separatists in Ukraine have more weapons than some NATO countries

[Hindustani78]

http://www.ukrinform.ua/eng/news/pr...tries___us_ambassador_to_ukraine_pyatt_329014

KYIV, February 14 /Ukrinform/. Pro-Russian separatists in Ukraine have already more tanks than the armies of some NATO countries and Russia is preparing to send more.

The statement was made by the US Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt on his Twitter.

“The separatists now have larger fighting force with more tanks, armored vehicles, heavy artillery

and rocket systems than some NATO and European countries," wrote Pyatt.

In addition, he has published satellite imagery showing the deployment of separatists' Russian anti-aircraft and artillery weapons near the city of Debaltseve, 70 kilometers north of Donetsk.

“We are confident these are Russian military, not separatists'," the US Ambassador to Ukraine said.

He also said that Russia plans to send a large shipment of supplies to “separatists” fighting in eastern Ukraine.

tl

 

[Galad]

Care to show actuall proof of such claims?Apart from statement and social media "proofs"? Not the usual "proof"of WMD,waving milk in bottle,gas attacks etc used by NATO.

 

[Hindustani78]

Care to show actuall proof of such claims?Apart from statement and social media "proofs"? Not the usual "proof"of WMD,waving milk in bottle,gas attacks etc used by NATO.

See the military equipment of Baltic countries, you will get the proof.

They dont even have tanks, fighter planes.

 

[Galad]

See the military equipment of Baltic countries, you will get the proof.

They dont even have tanks, fighter planes.

And you can educate yourself at the topic.Do a simple web search and see how many and different kind of weapons Baltics has inherits from former USSR.Same goes for any other East European Country.Educate yourself of the matter what was the fate of all that equipment-plenty of information online.The same goes for Ukraine-in 1991 tens of thousands of heavy equipment were simple left behind according to agreements.Same tens of thousands were stolen and sold all over the world by current Kiev warlords.They even has sold USA weapons and already selling Saxons.
Now go find a actuall proof of your claims.Not the the supposed picture with quality of military sat from mid-50ies.Just for your information-even civilian sats are capable of delivering much much detailed picture currently.

 

[Superboy]

Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia have 1 tank combined. New Russia has several hundred tanks at least.

As for the title, they are not separatists, they are New Russians. New Russia born from the flames of Maidan.

 

[Echo_419]

Pro-Russian separatists in Ukraine have more weapons than some NATO countries - US Ambassador to Ukraine Pyatt| Ukrinform

KYIV, February 14 /Ukrinform/. Pro-Russian separatists in Ukraine have already more tanks than the armies of some NATO countries and Russia is preparing to send more.

The statement was made by the US Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt on his Twitter.

“The separatists now have larger fighting force with more tanks, armored vehicles, heavy artillery

and rocket systems than some NATO and European countries," wrote Pyatt.

In addition, he has published satellite imagery showing the deployment of separatists' Russian anti-aircraft and artillery weapons near the city of Debaltseve, 70 kilometers north of Donetsk.

“We are confident these are Russian military, not separatists'," the US Ambassador to Ukraine said.

He also said that Russia plans to send a large shipment of supplies to “separatists” fighting in eastern Ukraine.

tl

Looks like the Russians will win the war in Ukraine

 

[jhungary]

Looks like the Russians will win the war in Ukraine

actually, if the current cease fire (The one signed in 12 Feb) is the true ceasefire agreement, Russia and Rebel would lose big.

One single point stand out in the peace agreement, and that is Russia and Ukraine will both retreat and seal the border between both country, if that is it, that mean Ukraine will remain Ukraine and the rebel and "Russian" Force inside Ukraine will graduate lose support from Russia. Hence the rebel already say they will not follow the new round of agreement.

But then the "Peace Agreement" Could also be Putin playing Lip service to all party involved.

I don't know, but one thing worth notice is that the rebel held area is flat broke, and heavily damage, would Russia want to get involve with this dynamite is another problem, because that does mean Russia will be shouldering the reconstruction cost alone, and to feed those people whom wanting to join the Union, and those people do not even have a working bank to begin with, that would mean a lot of Russia Resource have to go to them, and Russian themselves did not even have a good start of the year.

What the rebel wants is one thing, but what the Russian want's seemingly looking like another.

 

[Echo_419]

ctually, if the current cease fire (The one signed in 12 Feb) is the true ceasefire agreement, Russia and Rebel would lose big.

You really think Putin would honor that

One single point stand out in the peace agreement, and that is Russia and Ukraine will both retreat and seal the border between both country, if that is it, that mean Ukraine will remain Ukraine and the rebel and "Russian" Force inside Ukraine will graduate lose support from Russia. Hence the rebel already say they will not follow the new round of agreement.

But then the "Peace Agreement" Could also be Putin playing Lip service to all party involved

Exactly Putin knows that in all scenarios Russia would face Trade Sanctions so he will prefer a Russia which has some pro russian states on it's western border.Putin will keep fighting no matter what

 

[jhungary]

You really think Putin would honor that



Exactly Putin knows that in all scenarios Russia would face Trade Sanctions so he will prefer a Russia which has some pro russian states on it's western border.Putin will keep fighting no matter what

lol, but the fact remain, the rebel can either win or lose, if they win, they would have to ceded to Russian Federation, hence what i said about Russia will need to reconstruct the city and feed all those extra people. Or otherwise they would just go back to being an Ukrainian city, if they lose, they will go back to being a Ukrainian City.

The best scenario for Russia is for the current fight to continue and have no end in sight, but that also happened to be the worse move Russia can get, simply if thee war drag on, they will have to pay for the rebel and themselves, and money does not grow in trees, so they cannot unconditionally support the rebel. Everyday the fight went on, Russian are draining their power away, does not matter if we are talking about manpower, economic power or military power. Something the US manage to do for 10 years in Vietnam. Now, ask yourselves this, how long can Russia hold on?

 

[metronome]

Russia probably have massive stockpiles from the soviet era, they can easily supply the rebels double/triple whatever NATO can give to Kiev.

unwinnable conflict for Kiev, in the next rebel offensive they'll take all of Donetsk and Luhansk easily.

 

[Echo_419]

lol, but the fact remain, the rebel can either win or lose, if they win, they would have to ceded to Russian Federation, hence what i said about Russia will need to reconstruct the city and feed all those extra people. Or otherwise they would just go back to being an Ukrainian city, if they lose, they will go back to being a Ukrainian City.

The best scenario for Russia is for the current fight to continue and have no end in sight, but that also happened to be the worse move Russia can get, simply if thee war drag on, they will have to pay for the rebel and themselves, and money does not grow in trees, so they cannot unconditionally support the rebel. Everyday the fight went on, Russian are draining their power away, does not matter if we are talking about manpower, economic power or military power. Something the US manage to do for 10 years in Vietnam. Now, ask yourselves this, how long can Russia hold on?

The best case scenario will be Ukrainian rebels winning the civil war & putting a end to NATO's eastward expansion once that happens Russia can start rebuilding & it's reintegration into world economy

 

[jhungary]

The best case scenario will be Ukrainian rebels winning the civil war & putting a end to NATO's eastward expansion once that happens Russia can start rebuilding & it's reintegration into world economy

Well, no

When Rebel winning the civil war, they will ask to join the Russian Federation, that is the reason why the rebel fight in the first place, unless you are saying the rebel can take Kiev and reinsert control of the whole ukraine rather than iust donbass, then well......I dont think its possible without an actual Russian invasion.

Kiev will remain out of rebel hand even when they win the civil war and Ukraine will join nato, and Russia will still have to face an actual border with NATO, the only different is they have 1 more region to buffer the NATO, which to be honest, wasnt much

 

[Superboy]

Now, ask yourselves this, how long can Russia hold on?

Russia has 145+ million people, New Russia has another 20 million or so. Add that to Russia's huge area of 17+ million square kilometers of territory and huge amounts of natural resources and you do the math.

 

[metronome]

Well, no

When Rebel winning the civil war, they will ask to join the Russian Federation, that is the reason why the rebel fight in the first place, unless you are saying the rebel can take Kiev and reinsert control of the whole ukraine rather than iust donbass, then well......I dont think its possible without an actual Russian invasion.

Kiev will remain out of rebel hand even when they win the civil war and Ukraine will join nato, and Russia will still have to face an actual border with NATO, the only different is they have 1 more region to buffer the NATO, which to be honest, wasnt much

they are not interested in Kiev and western Ukraine, all they want is Donbass/Novorussia

 

[Superboy]

When Rebel winning the civil war, they will ask to join the Russian Federation, that is the reason why the rebel fight in the first place

wrong assumption