Prime Minister Modi Fumbles on Pakistan

[Umair Nawaz]

I do agree about economic benefits, but as i said before .... these talks don't matter ... we already have a formula given by musharaf and manmohan ... realistically other than that both nations will not agree to anything else

Why don't they take it up remains a mystery

lets see, but i guess u should agree in wrapping up this conversation that we must not stall/hold talks at any cost.

 

[Mr.S.Singh]

Are you nuts? With literally every Pakistani family armed to their teeth and the mountains full of trained terrorists, you want demarcation and joint administration? Why we could re-unite with Pakistan and hold Winter sessions of govt in Delhi and Summers in Isloo.

dude, before anything ... with joint mechanism terrorist would be taken out, terrorist infrastructure would be removed
only kashmiri would be allowed to reside ... there are many clauses avain thodi demarcation hoyegi

 

[Indrani]

dude, before anything ... with joint mechanism terrorist would be taken out, terrorist infrastructure would be removed
only kashmiri would be allowed to reside ... there are many clauses avain thodi demarcation hoyegi

Yeah yeah yeah as Manvan was saying pigs will fly. Such brotherly relations if possible would have made Indian subcontinent the most peaceful and progressive area in the world and not nuclear flash points.

 

[Mr.S.Singh]

Yeah yeah yeah as Manvan was saying pigs will fly. Such brotherly relations if possible would have made Indian subcontinent the most peaceful and progressive area in the world and not nuclear flash points.

dekhiye mohtrama ... this is the official stand of republican govt of India, which want to make vizha less border so thats we don't have to make another border movie

it was a CBM where terrorist organization would have been dismantled, and Musharaf was a man of words who walked the talk ... present scenario isz different

 

[Indrani]

There is a growing frustration in both GoI as well as track 2 participants that Pakistan under NS seems to want to go the way of the earlier government of PPP by seeking to walk back from the Musharraf-MMS talks. It is also known that PA under Kayani (after Musharraf left) also withdrew support for that plan. NS wants to hark back to Lahore discussions of 1999 & not start with what was achieved by Musharraf & MMS. That plan has widespread support across the board in India and almost no one will ever offer more than that. The Pakistanis seem to be pushing to open that up for more concessions & the GoI seems to have come to a conclusion that Pakistan will simply not sign up to MMS-Musharraf plan and any discussion is essentially going to be fruitless. In any case, actual talks are happening only behind the scenes. Mr. Modi's government is not buying what has become a standard Pakistani tactic - to ask the Indian side to show more "understanding" of GoP's inability to deliver "tangibles" while seeking further concessions to "strengthen" the civilian government's hands. Modi's advisors & Mr. Modi himself seem to have decided that Pakistan's government & the strengthening of it is not their concern nor will they be drawn into such discussions. What they want is to see is delivery on issues & if that does not happen, whatever be the reason, they are inclined to deal with GoP without any of the usual muddle headedness.

Who were these people who were on board and where was widespread support for it considering all the talks were behind the scene? Were the Indian people and the Indian parliament taken into consideration and informed about these ideas? Or was it another Nehruvian blunder in making looking for a Nobel peace prize?

dekhiye mohtrama ... this is the official stand of republican govt of India, which want to make vizha less border so thats we don't have to make another border movie

it was a CBM where terrorist organization would have been dismantled, and Musharaf was a man of words who walked the talk ... present scenario isz different

Please. Musharraf never kept a word in his life. Bin Laden was hiding in his backyard while he claimed ignorance. You must be terribly naive to believe in such fairy tales. It is not the official stand of India considering all that happened was back channel talks with the public of India not taken into confidence nor the parliament informed. Just like MMS wanted to demilitarize Siachen when all of Siachen is in Indian control and had to be forcefully stopped by the Army putting its foot down. Ditto happened with Sir Creek when MMS had to withdraw due to the Modi's warning.

 

[Mr.S.Singh]

Please. Musharraf never kept a word in his life. Bin Laden was hiding in his backyard while he claimed ignorance. You must be terribly naive to believe in such fairy tales. It is not the official stand of India considering all that happened was back channel talks with the public of India not taken into confidence nor the parliament informed. Just like MMS wanted to demilitarize Siachen when all of Siachen is in Indian control and had to be forcefully stopped by the Army putting its foot down. Ditto happened with Sir Creek when MMS had to withdraw due to the Modi's warning.

Bin Laden wasn't our headache
He had almost stopped infiltration in 2006-2008 when the CBM measures where on
Siachen is a waste ! 1 Million dollar plus is spend by India too keep its soldiers alive a day. Almost all soldiers have layed down their lives due to extreme cold and not enemy fire, even if India backs down ... pakistan does not have financial resources to take over Siachen
I case of mutual administration it does not mean handing over kashmir to India, it just means porus border for free movement of kashmiries not Indians or Pakistanies

 

[Indien]

If anything, Modi's tough line and less than friendly overtures are strengthening Pakistan's soft image abroad, a feat that our own government has repeatedly failed at. For the first time in three decades, Pakistan is being seen as the country that wants peace and India as the instigator of regional tensions.

yeah, you want peace by frequently violating the ceasefire

 

[rockstar08]

Go Modi Go

let our Politicians realize that Our neighbors are not in Mode to Talk

 

[Indrani]

Bin Laden wasn't our headache
He had almost stopped infiltration in 2006-2008 when the CBM measures where on
Siachen is a waste ! 1 Million dollar plus is spend by India too keep its soldiers alive a day. Almost all soldiers have layed down their lives due to extreme cold and not enemy fire, even if India backs down ... pakistan does not have financial resources to take over Siachen
I case of mutual administration it does not mean handing over kashmir to India, it just means porus border for free movement of kashmiries not Indians or Pakistanies

Bin Laden was not our headache but you basically get to know what sort of man you are dealing with. A person who changes color as suited to the occasion. I would not trust such a person as far as I can throw him. To think that he would back stab the Americans but be true to his word to the Indians is some serious delusional thinking.

Why just Siachen even Kashmir is a few grasslands with rocky mountains. Why not give it away too? Pakistan has easy access to Siachen while India had to spill a lot of blood and money to hold. You just want to give it away? Why just siachen and Kashmir? Why not Nagaland and Manipur too? Hey while you are at it, let us give freedom to all states as we dont have anything in common with each other at all.

 

[Mr.S.Singh]

Bin Laden was not our headache but you basically get to know what sort of man you are dealing with. A person who changes color as suited to the occasion. I would not trust such a person as far as I can throw him. To think that he would back stab the Americans but be true to his word to the Indians is some serious delusional thinking.

u got a point, but then what do we do ? You suggest a way

Why just Siachen even Kashmir is a few grasslands with rocky mountains. Why not give it away too? Pakistan has easy access to Siachen while India had to spill a lot of blood and money to hold. You just want to give it away? Why just siachen and Kashmir? Why not Nagaland and Manipur too? Hey while you are at it, let us give freedom to all states as we dont have anything in common with each other at all.

its not about easy access, its the harsh weather
our troops walk upto the glaciers and are not airlifted
Again we are not giving it away, we are talking about a no go zone. Neither would pak nor India would go there

 

[ranjeet]

Go Modi Go

let our Politicians realize that Our neighbors are not in Mode to Talk

your own politicians aren't even Mode to Talk to each other, phle aapas mein decide karlo kisne baat karni hai

 

[Indrani]

u got a point, but then what do we do ? You suggest a way


its not about easy access, its the harsh weather
our troops walk upto the glaciers and are not airlifted
Again we are not giving it away, we are talking about a no go zone. Neither would pak nor India would go there

One word about Pakistan. It is not a trustworthy country. We keep them at the bay. They are imploding of their own. Let them implode or come to their senses on their own. We have been played for a fool far too long. No more. Every war Indian army has won for India, the Indian politicians have lost for India. Do not ever make that mistake again.

 

[Mr.S.Singh]

One word about Pakistan. It is not a trustworthy country. We keep them at the bay. They are imploding of their own. Let them implode or come to their senses on their own. We have been played for a fool far too long. No more. Every war Indian army has won for India, the Indian politicians have lost for India. Do not ever make that mistake again.

haila sunny deol hai tu toh

 

[Indrani]

haila sunny deol hai tu toh

Dekh, yah tho tu pura Sardar ban yah tho apne naam se Singh haata de. When you are a Singh, behave like a King.

 

[Mr.S.Singh]

Dekh, yah tho tu pura Sardar ban yah tho apne naam se Singh haata de. When you are a Singh, behave like a King.

dekh kudiye, being a sardar doesn't meantalwaar leke ke hamesha ghumne ... it mean believing also
Talwaar aaj nhi toh kal uthni hi hai