Prime Minister Modi Fumbles on Pakistan

[Umair Nawaz]

LOL kid i just dont want to get into a debate with u. I would rather bang my head against a brick wall then engaging with people like u from yr country.

 

[xyxmt]

After that, IA will Talk with PA , and then PA will run to China /US /SA asking their Help to start talk with India, US/China/SA will say look Modi is different Sorry

And PAK will came like MUSH , walking to India to shake Hand with Modi and improve its Acts

tum loog abhi tuk Moodi ke malish ker rehay ho, dungal main kub daloo gye usey.
zara dhiyan se malish kerna us ki patli tangoo ko, kaheen toot na jain

A what is applauded in Pakistan is meaningless to the rest of the world.

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LOL kid i just dont want to get into a debate with u. I would rather bang my head against a brick wall then engaging with people like u from yr country.

I thought you were already doing it

 

[xyxmt]

Which is why this is more than just drawing red lines.

Its the GoI defining boundaries within which it plans to operate. Its a carrot and stick policy in action. Expect a carrot every time you do something good like coming over to attend the swearing in, expect a stick every time you do something naughty like meeting the Hurriyat. Or pudding and chair like you mentioned.

Drawing a boundary makes NO sense if you do not have something to do within it.

I suspect Modi is going to dangle some real juicy carrot for pakistan to get tempted and also start sharpening the pointy end of the stick to make sure the actions is within the boundaries defined.

So far its pakistan who has been dangling the carrot and wielding a very short stick. This is the first time India is going to dangle the carrot, speak softly and hopefully carry a very long stick.

So far Pakistan has been proactive and India has been Reactive. This is the fist time after a long break, India is going to be pro active.

what a f'ing delusional nation
carrot and sticks LMAO, first feed you people half of your population cannot even afford a carrot, and if some visiting pakistani throws one to them out of sorrow they wont find a place to $hit.

do you people have some kind of game you play at schools, something like "Letsh plaay shuper powa shuper powa" where two guys sits in a room and talking like bobbing head doll pretending to be shuper powa representatives??

 

[possumlot]

what a f'ing delusional nation
carrot and sticks LMAO, first feed you people half of your population cannot even afford a carrot, and if some visiting pakistani throws one to them out of sorrow they wont find a place to $hit.

do you people have some kind of game you play at schools, something like "Letsh plaay shuper powa shuper powa" where two guys sits in a room and talking like bobbing head doll pretending to be shuper powa representatives??

Then you have nothing to worry ....... why get so worked up.

 

[That Guy]

Modi's cancellation of talks is the exact opposite of a fumble, widely applauded everywhere, except it seems on NYTimes.

Let me fix your comment for you: "Widely applauded by Indian nationalists".

No one in their right mind thinks this was a good idea, and has set a bad precedent in Pakistani-India relations. It shows that Modi was never serious or willing to talk in the first place.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

It is understood bruv, non of our points are our govts



Sir lets talk relevant here, India is pissed off because you are talking to separatist, now even if you tell me they are representatives they don't even hold minority seats in the assembly hence neither they are Representative of people of kashmir nor the masses. They are even tried in courts for having links with terrorists


Sir your success has not beared fruits, terror attacks yes, point is Kashmir is still part of India
Now looking at our agencies, they were toothless and without power, the man in the helm now have given substantial power to the agencies.



i don't talk about your institutes i am just referring to a fact that we have talked to all govt's in pakistan be it a weak civilian govt or a dictator, so i don't think pakistan should be complain about modi

Modi infact is a challenge because no other India PM apart from Indira Gandhi was as powerful as him, this guy will take decisions in seconds won't wait for a month to make his point.



What would the bureaucracy do when you have a weak leader at the helm ? Decision are enforced by PM's to bureaucrat




Indian supreme court says he is innocent btw
I am not talking about people being killed in pakistan, i am talking about funding and cross border terrorism in India



our growth figures do not take into consideration friendship with out neighbors, there won't be any adverse effect



By stale-mate i mean both have become nuclear power, hence nothing more can happen




and do you think peace with pakistan would provide exuberant growth figures ? India anyways spends-less than 2% of defense, even after peace with pakistan we would spend the same amount as we face china
Pakistan is no more a deciding factor when it comes to defense spending, it is a defense concern.



lets not get into these, you blame us, we blame you
For you we are the backstabbers and for is it is you




I agree, this is because pakistan currently faces internal threat, when this threat eliminates we all know who will be in focus



pakistan has done little and can do little to do it, you can't bloack our trade
lets face it ... how can you stop india from trading ?

Look i think we can have a conversation as long as we like. But in the end neither will u will agree to my POV nor will i to yrs. So its wastage of time.

But i however will say that peace with us or not keeping pak at yr side will and can do wonders for u. We might not be in a position as yet to give u any economic benefits but in future yr atleast half a population will be depending on us and our trade routes.Further more Pakistan can do for u what none others can do. Im talking abt strategic matters here. Damn u dont have any idea how that can benefit us we both can single handly rule the world if we utilize our maximum potential. But for that we have to find ways to work we need to find some understandings regionally.

Anyways Sir it was nice talking to u and i just wish if we could really continue that, but like i said it wont really work because the way i feel that u might not be able to understand my POV and i might not be able to understand yrs regardless of who being right or wrong, who know we both be wrong and we might both be right within our POVs. But this place and forum isnt a right place to discuss foreign relations. As u have seen im already grilled twice by yr countrymen here.

But atleast im happy u were able to agree on a few points of mine. Hope we will continue it perhaps some other time or in a more better environment.

Thank You for understanding.

 

[Mr.S.Singh]

Look i think we can have a conversation as long as we like. But in the end neither will u will agree to my POV nor will i to yrs. So its wastage of time.

But i however will say that peace with us or not keeping pak at yr side will and can do wonders for u. We might not be in a position as yet to give u any economic benefits but in future yr atleast half a population will be depending on us and our trade routes.Further more Pakistan can do for u what none others can do. Im talking abt strategic matters here. Damn u dont have any idea how that can benefit us we both can single handly rule the world if we utilize our maximum potential. But for that we have to find ways to work we need to find some understandings regionally.

Anyways Sir it was nice talking to u and i just wish if we could really continue that, but like i said it wont really work because the way i feel that u might now be able to understand my POV and i might not be able to understand yrs regardless of who being right or wrong, who know we both be wrong and we might both be right within our POVs. But this place and forum isnt a right place to discuss foreign relations. As u have seen im already grilled twice by yr countrymen here.

But atleast im happy u were able to agree on a few points of mine. Hope we will continue it perhaps some other time or in a more better environment.

Thank You for understanding.

I do agree about economic benefits, but as i said before .... these talks don't matter ... we already have a formula given by musharaf and manmohan ... realistically other than that both nations will not agree to anything else

Why don't they take it up remains a mystery

 

[kbd-raaf]

Let me fix your comment for you: "Widely applauded by Indian nationalists".

No one in their right mind thinks this was a good idea, and has set a bad precedent in Pakistani-India relations. It shows that Modi was never serious or willing to talk in the first place.

Wot, much confuse.

Is there any other group of people that Modi should feel like he needs to satisfy?

 

[Indrani]

india has learned to live without pakistan
we are looking at alternate route's, unless both sit like mature individuals talks are waste of time and money ... only way ahead in Musharraf formula

No way. Musharraf formula was demarcation of the boundary lines for now so that in future the state can be made a separate sovereign entity. It was slow poison to make Indians slowly accede to parting away with Kashmir. Are you crazy to think we will give away Kashmir?

 

[That Guy]

Wot, much confuse.

Is there any other group of people that Modi should feel like he needs to satisfy?

According to you, apparently. I'm simply pointing out the mistake in your comment, nothing more. If you want to get touchy, think about your comments before posting them.

 

[kbd-raaf]

According to you, apparently. I'm simply pointing out the mistake in your comment, nothing more. If you want to get touchy, think about your comments before posting them.

I'm oh so very confused.

 

[Mr.S.Singh]

No way. Musharraf formula was demarcation of the boundary lines for now so that in future the state can be made a separate sovereign entity. It was slow poison to make Indians slowly accede to parting away with Kashmir. Are you crazy to think we will give away Kashmir?

demarcation after 15 years not now, he mentioned immediate porus border, after 15 years they would jointly administer the state

 

[That Guy]

I'm oh so very confused.

Not my problem.

 

[xyxmt]

Then you have nothing to worry ....... why get so worked up.

I am allergic to stupid sheikh chilis

 

[Indrani]

demarcation after 15 years not now, he mentioned immediate porus border, after 15 years they would jointly administer the state

Are you nuts? With literally every Pakistani family armed to their teeth and the mountains full of trained terrorists, you want demarcation and joint administration? Why we could re-unite with Pakistan and hold Winter sessions of govt in Delhi and Summers in Isloo.