Prime Minister Modi Fumbles on Pakistan

[kurup]

The world only remembers too well how and why until recently Modi was repeatedly denied Visa to US and other countries, it was a chance for him to prove himself as a statesman rather than just pleasing a particular sect of his society..... world also knows that Pakistan has always favoured peaceful negotiations and never played musical chairs for holding dialogue. !!

World also know that Pakistan harbor terrorist on it's soil to be used against India .

 

[KRAIT]

Hahahaha... fumble...

India took the right step. Hum baat kare P0K ke logon se ?

 

[lightoftruth]

Well results will come, and the dispute or disagreement is 67 year old, it will take time......

Issue is not talks but the terms for talks until now it was acceptable for the govt to allow pakistani high commissioner to treat separatists are royalties before any round of discussion,which was basically demeaning our own democratically elected govt of j&k as not real representatives also ceasefire violations to facilitate infiltration attempts were overlooked.

now things have changed ,for a meaningful dialogue pakistanis have to create an environment for it,for their own needs.If not we are okay to ignore.

 

[Bang Galore]

How did this so called "mushraff forumal" shaped up???? only after talks right???? We cannot live without pakistan,because we cannot choose neighbors..... It is always good to have a friendly neighbor.....

There is a growing frustration in both GoI as well as track 2 participants that Pakistan under NS seems to want to go the way of the earlier government of PPP by seeking to walk back from the Musharraf-MMS talks. It is also known that PA under Kayani (after Musharraf left) also withdrew support for that plan. NS wants to hark back to Lahore discussions of 1999 & not start with what was achieved by Musharraf & MMS. That plan has widespread support across the board in India and almost no one will ever offer more than that. The Pakistanis seem to be pushing to open that up for more concessions & the GoI seems to have come to a conclusion that Pakistan will simply not sign up to MMS-Musharraf plan and any discussion is essentially going to be fruitless. In any case, actual talks are happening only behind the scenes. Mr. Modi's government is not buying what has become a standard Pakistani tactic - to ask the Indian side to show more "understanding" of GoP's inability to deliver "tangibles" while seeking further concessions to "strengthen" the civilian government's hands. Modi's advisors & Mr. Modi himself seem to have decided that Pakistan's government & the strengthening of it is not their concern nor will they be drawn into such discussions. What they want is to see is delivery on issues & if that does not happen, whatever be the reason, they are inclined to deal with GoP without any of the usual muddle headedness.

 

[Mr.S.Singh]

None settled there .... You can not were the so called raiders in lacs or even dozens of thousands .. Mostly tribesmen who had families back home.. Nor is there any proof is there?

Explain Paktun population in Azad kashmir and their surge from 1946 onwards
The Untold Story of the People of Azad Kashmir
Christopher Snedden
also explains the same

Perhaps you should read my post again .. Apart from the anti muslim sentiment .. The maharaja was more scared of losing his state !... There were already massive protests callin for merger with Pakistan ...

The Hindu : Miscellaneous / This Day That Age : dated July 20, 1954: Pakhtoons in Kashmir
history was funny
Again sir, agreed but what was the push for pashtoons for ?

Sir there were no Pashtun tribesmen involved in 65 war..!

The Wars of Afghanistan: Messianic Terrorism, Tribal Conflicts, and the ... - Peter Tomsen - Google Books
FuLL HisTORy Of PaSHtUn KiNg's: Jihad in Pakistan 1965. Afghan pashtun war in pakistan fight with india good fighter from pakistan agency our Afghan Pashtun brothers war in 1965.
Interesting picture of cannon fodder, 1965 war. - Pashtun Community | Pashtuns | Pashto |



Anyways would love to interact more, but need to go out ... would continue later

 

[possumlot]

Look at this one, he says the decision was based of an "rss diktat", and connects it to article 357........ And this guy used to be our Pakistani Ambassador.

You always need a good conspiracy theory to make matters more exciting and when work too hard why RSS is easily available as the boogy man.

On a serious note, maybe its diplomats like him that made matters so worse and he probably would resent seeing someone take a stand that is contrary to his past actions and beliefs.

 

[Windjammer]

LOL.....why would Modi try to prove anything for the World ? ............ the only people who matter to him and who vote for him is right here in India

That is the ONLY constituency he need to serve and please.

Well, then you should ask why he was keen to visit US despite being humiliated.....why not just remain with his voters.

 

[kurup]

There is a growing frustration in both GoI as well as track 2 participants that Pakistan under NS seems to want to go the way of the earlier government of PPP by seeking to walk back from the Musharraf-MMS talks. It is also known that PA under Kayani (after Musharraf left) also withdrew support for that plan. NS wants to hark back to Lahore discussions of 1999 & not start with what was achieved by Musharraf & MMS. That plan has widespread support across the board in India and almost no one will ever offer more than that. The Pakistanis seem to be pushing to open that up for more concessions & the GoI seems to have come to a conclusion that Pakistan will simply not sign up to MMS-Musharraf plan and any discussion is essentially going to be fruitless. In any case, actual talks are happening only behind the scenes. Mr. Modi's government is not buying what has become a standard Pakistani tactic - to ask the Indian side to show more "understanding" of GoP's inability to deliver "tangibles" while seeking further concessions to "strengthen" the civilian government's hands. Modi's advisors & Mr. Modi himself seem to have decided that Pakistan's government & the strengthening of it is not their concern nor will they be drawn into such discussions. What they want is to see is delivery on issues & if that does not happen, whatever be the reason, they are inclined to deal with GoP without any of the usual muddle headedness.

What was the Musharaff-MMS agreement ??

 

[Windjammer]

World also know that Pakistan harbor terrorist on it's soil to be used against India .

The real world extends far beyond India's borders.......did i read somewhere as US pushing both countries to resume dialogue.

 

[Bang Galore]

Well, then you should ask why he was keen to visit US despite being humiliated.....why not just remain with his voters.

That's because he thinks that it is in the best interest of both his voters & the country at large.

What was the Musharaff-MMS agreement ??

To sum it up: LC as border with greater autonomy, soft borders etc. Gradual demilitarization to the extent possible.

 

[possumlot]

Well, then you should ask why he was keen to visit US despite being humiliated.....why not just remain with his voters.

Did Modi personally tell you that he wanted to visit the US ?

As a matter of fact, Modi is on record saying he DO NOT want to visit the US but want to make the Americans come to India to meet him ........and guess what ? he made that happen.

Second point is that when the US denied him Visa, support for Modi in India actually WENT UP ......... a lot of people who were against Modi just could not bear to see US poking their nose in Indian matters and that in a way strengthened Modi.

In this very forum you will find people who started supporting Modi because US rejected him. In some way US rejecting his visa was one of the best things that happened to him and certainly the best thing that happened to INDIA.

Today US is forced to bend backwards to please India due to that diplomatic bungling. And you can be sure that Modi being the baniya he is, will extract his pound of flesh.


In fact the Chinese love Modi because the US denied him his Visa. And because of that Indo-China relationship is again bound to go up. That visa rejection also forced Modi to look east and help him become good friend with both Chinese premier and Japanese Premier Abe.

I celebrate the day when US denied Modi his visa.

 

[Trev]

All Pakistanis do is speak in rhetoric.

 

[kurup]

The real world extends far beyond India's borders.......did i read somewhere as US pushing both countries to resume dialogue.

Still doesnot negate the fact that world consider Pakistan as a terrorism factory which exports it to India .

 

[Psycho Pakistani]

I am happy that modi has done so, but I am sure that shameless pakistani political and military leaders will keep their india fettish alive and would keep licking indian ******** to have some more lahore or agra agreements, ghairat naam ki koi cheez ab pakistan mein baqi nahi rahi.

 

[SamantK]

Well, then you should ask why he was keen to visit US despite being humiliated.....why not just remain with his voters.

Wait... Cause he was invited?

Also, we Indians are not in a habit of going to countries uninvited.. He went in the interest of his voters only.

The real world extends far beyond India's borders.......did i read somewhere as US pushing both countries to resume dialogue.

They know they can't push India but can push Pakistan. I hold no grudge on them