Pressured by Trump, it looks like China is going to do something about North Korea's nukes

[master_13]

Russia less than 2 trillion GDP no longer USSR. No NATO-like alliance, no bases all around the world, heavily sanctioned. Influence among some despots and near-failed states. Surrounded by many states that are unfavorable to them

China, no NATO-like alliance, no bases around the world, not even considered a developed country, a military power far far behind the U.S. and even Russia. Influence among some despots and near-failed states. Surrounded by many states that are unfavorable to them

You guys on PDF may think all the bluster and chest thumping by Chinese and fellow Pakistanis makes them bigger than a regional power. To people who actually understand this , they are both only a regional power at present.

Yep, 1 superpower + 2 regional powers, the biggest 3 powers in the world, India is pretty crap, since it's 10 tiers below china. Although US media love to portray China and Russia as superpowers, which somehow touched Indian jealousy nerve since no US media even mentioning India as any kind of power. By the way, Trump got slapped by China twice, first backing away from Taiwan issue and now backing away from currency manipulator claim, he's just a Chinese b***ch like how India is an American b***ch.

 

[takeitwithyou]

Yes, China and Russia are the only two regional countries that could assure a mutual destruction with US.
Forget to say that, the mighty NATO seemed not to prevent Russia which is poor and isolated and heavily sanctioned from taking back Crimea and eastern Ukraine.
The mighty NATO is too lazy to show its unparalleled muscle.

Why would NATO go into Crimea? Ukraine is not a NATO partner where we are obligated to go to its aid. Now Taiwan is supposedly a part of China and you guys don't even dare to go get what is yours.
Having nuclear weapons does not make you a superpower. Guaranteeing mutual destruction is not equal to being a superpower.

 

[TaiShang]

McMaster Is Deluded, Trump Hasn't Divided China and Russia

The inexperienced Trump admin is giving itself too much credit. Russia-China ties are on a completely different level from US-Chinese contacts


You can just feel the 'chemistry' (arsenic)。

The Chinese Foreign Ministry announced earlier today that the Director of the General Office of the Communist Party of China Li Zhanshu will visit Russia on April 25-27 at the invitation of his counterpart, head of the Presidential Administration in the Kremlin Anton Vaino. The Foreign Ministry spokesman Lu Kang said in Beijing that the two officials will discuss China-Russia relations “as previously agreed on by the countries’ leaders” and that the Chinese side is confident that the visit will further galvanize Sino-Russian ties. (TASS)

Li will be the second top Chinese official visiting Moscow in April. President Vladimir Putin has received the First Vice-Premier of China Zhang Gaoli (who is also a member of the Standing Committee of the Politburo of Chinese Communist Party) at the Kremlin on April 13, which was, incidentally, the day after the visit by the US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson to Moscow.

Zhang is one of the economic czars in the Chinese system and his talks with Russian officials focused on Chinese investments in Russia and energy cooperation. But part of his brief was to prepare for Putin’s “working visit” to Beijing in the context of the One Belt One Road summit on May 14-15, which will be inaugurated by President Xi Jinping.

Li’s forthcoming talks in the Kremlin will be of exceptional importance. It is only with Russia that Chinese Communist Party Central Committee’s apex organ (which comes directly under party General Secretary Xi) has such an institutional arrangement of annual consultations – although Russia is not a communist country.

Li is a key aide to Xi and his counterpart Vaino reports directly to Putin. The symbolism is at once evident. At an operative level, the unique arrangement ensures that the dynamics and verve of the China-Russia relationship unfailingly receives the personal attention of Xi and Putin. In sum, it underscores that the two countries attribute the highest priority to their relationship.

The timing of Li’s visit is particularly significant. The Donald Trump administration has been bragging openly last week that a special chemistry has developed between the US president and Xi following their meeting in Florida on April 7-8 and that China is now actively helping the US to handle the North Korea problem.

Besides, both Trump and his National Security Advisor HR McMaster have openly boasted that China’s abstention in the UN Security Council vote on Syria last Wednesday was due to this wonderful personal chemistry between the two presidents.

Incredibly enough, McMaster virtually went on to boast in a TV interview with ABC on Sunday that Trump has succeeded in creating distance between China and Russia over the Syrian question. McMaster claimed that Russia has been badly isolated in the UN Security Council. (It is a nonsensical claim, as is apparent from the BRICS Joint Communique of April 12 adopted at Visakhapatnam on Syria, which virtually backs the Russian position.)

Conceivably, McMaster is a novice in international diplomacy and his inexperience showed in the ABC interview. But then, he happens to be Trump’s NSA and even if he is a bumbling Lt. General who is a babe in the words in the world of politics, his voice carries authority. McMaster said:

“What we do know is that, in the midst of responding to the mass murder of the Syrian regime, the president (Trump) and the first lady hosted an extraordinarily successful conference, summit, with President Xi and his team. And not only did they establish a very warm relationship, but… they worked together as well in connection with the response to the mass murder on the part of the Assad regime in connection with the U.N. vote.

I think President Xi was courageous in distancing himself from the Russians, isolating really the Russians and the Bolivians… And I think the world saw that, and they (Xi) saw, well, what club do you want to be in? The Russian-Bolivian club? Or the — in the club with the United States, working together on our mutual interests and the interests of peace, security.”

McMaster probably thought, out of sheer naivety, that with these harsh words, he’d deal a knockout punch at the Russians. No matter Trump’s game plan to drive a wedge between China and Russia by exploiting Xi’s interest in a ‘new type of major country relations’ with US, it is preposterous that Beijing will allow any erosion to the Sino-Russian entente.

The point is, for both China and Russia, their number one priority in world politics will be to push back at US hegemony and here is no daylight possible between them for a foreseeable future. Simply put, the relationship has created ‘strategic depth’ for both countries to safeguard their core interests, while also navigating specific concerns at any given point vis-a-vis the United States.

We will never know whether Li’s is a routine visit or has been conceived against the backdrop of the Trump administration’s mischief to create misunderstandings in the Russian-Chinese ties. At any rate, Beijing seems to be going the extra league to underscore the highest priority that it attaches to the preservation of China’s mutual trust with Russia.

Li’s trip to Moscow and his consultations at the Kremlin can only make Trump and McMaster look somewhat like two country bumpkins who lost their way in the metropolis.

 

[takeitwithyou]

McMaster Is Deluded, Trump Hasn't Divided China and Russia

The inexperienced Trump admin is giving itself too much credit. Russia-China ties are on a completely different level from US-Chinese contacts


You can just feel the 'chemistry' (arsenic)。

The Chinese Foreign Ministry announced earlier today that the Director of the General Office of the Communist Party of China Li Zhanshu will visit Russia on April 25-27 at the invitation of his counterpart, head of the Presidential Administration in the Kremlin Anton Vaino. The Foreign Ministry spokesman Lu Kang said in Beijing that the two officials will discuss China-Russia relations “as previously agreed on by the countries’ leaders” and that the Chinese side is confident that the visit will further galvanize Sino-Russian ties. (TASS)

Li will be the second top Chinese official visiting Moscow in April. President Vladimir Putin has received the First Vice-Premier of China Zhang Gaoli (who is also a member of the Standing Committee of the Politburo of Chinese Communist Party) at the Kremlin on April 13, which was, incidentally, the day after the visit by the US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson to Moscow.

Zhang is one of the economic czars in the Chinese system and his talks with Russian officials focused on Chinese investments in Russia and energy cooperation. But part of his brief was to prepare for Putin’s “working visit” to Beijing in the context of the One Belt One Road summit on May 14-15, which will be inaugurated by President Xi Jinping.

Li’s forthcoming talks in the Kremlin will be of exceptional importance. It is only with Russia that Chinese Communist Party Central Committee’s apex organ (which comes directly under party General Secretary Xi) has such an institutional arrangement of annual consultations – although Russia is not a communist country.

Li is a key aide to Xi and his counterpart Vaino reports directly to Putin. The symbolism is at once evident. At an operative level, the unique arrangement ensures that the dynamics and verve of the China-Russia relationship unfailingly receives the personal attention of Xi and Putin. In sum, it underscores that the two countries attribute the highest priority to their relationship.

The timing of Li’s visit is particularly significant. The Donald Trump administration has been bragging openly last week that a special chemistry has developed between the US president and Xi following their meeting in Florida on April 7-8 and that China is now actively helping the US to handle the North Korea problem.

Besides, both Trump and his National Security Advisor HR McMaster have openly boasted that China’s abstention in the UN Security Council vote on Syria last Wednesday was due to this wonderful personal chemistry between the two presidents.

Incredibly enough, McMaster virtually went on to boast in a TV interview with ABC on Sunday that Trump has succeeded in creating distance between China and Russia over the Syrian question. McMaster claimed that Russia has been badly isolated in the UN Security Council. (It is a nonsensical claim, as is apparent from the BRICS Joint Communique of April 12 adopted at Visakhapatnam on Syria, which virtually backs the Russian position.)

Conceivably, McMaster is a novice in international diplomacy and his inexperience showed in the ABC interview. But then, he happens to be Trump’s NSA and even if he is a bumbling Lt. General who is a babe in the words in the world of politics, his voice carries authority. McMaster said:

“What we do know is that, in the midst of responding to the mass murder of the Syrian regime, the president (Trump) and the first lady hosted an extraordinarily successful conference, summit, with President Xi and his team. And not only did they establish a very warm relationship, but… they worked together as well in connection with the response to the mass murder on the part of the Assad regime in connection with the U.N. vote.

I think President Xi was courageous in distancing himself from the Russians, isolating really the Russians and the Bolivians… And I think the world saw that, and they (Xi) saw, well, what club do you want to be in? The Russian-Bolivian club? Or the — in the club with the United States, working together on our mutual interests and the interests of peace, security.”

McMaster probably thought, out of sheer naivety, that with these harsh words, he’d deal a knockout punch at the Russians. No matter Trump’s game plan to drive a wedge between China and Russia by exploiting Xi’s interest in a ‘new type of major country relations’ with US, it is preposterous that Beijing will allow any erosion to the Sino-Russian entente.

The point is, for both China and Russia, their number one priority in world politics will be to push back at US hegemony and here is no daylight possible between them for a foreseeable future. Simply put, the relationship has created ‘strategic depth’ for both countries to safeguard their core interests, while also navigating specific concerns at any given point vis-a-vis the United States.

We will never know whether Li’s is a routine visit or has been conceived against the backdrop of the Trump administration’s mischief to create misunderstandings in the Russian-Chinese ties. At any rate, Beijing seems to be going the extra league to underscore the highest priority that it attaches to the preservation of China’s mutual trust with Russia.

Li’s trip to Moscow and his consultations at the Kremlin can only make Trump and McMaster look somewhat like two country bumpkins who lost their way in the metropolis.

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"Russian insider" as a source, what is with you guys and love for state propaganda media. Nevertheless, what Mcmaster said is true on the basis of what he was discussing "McMaster virtually went on to boast in a TV interview with ABC on Sunday that Trump has succeeded in creating distance between China and Russia over the Syrian question."

China did not veto in the U.N in favor of Syria this time over an investigation into the chemical attack. Traditionally China votes to protect that despot and hand in hand with Russia. http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/328573-trump-praises-china-for-abstaining-from-un-vote

 

[Stuttgart001]

Why would NATO go into Crimea? Ukraine is not a NATO partner where we are obligated to go to its aid.

Because some indian people dream of a asian NATO containing China , I just tell them how the real NATO works.

Now Taiwan is supposedly a part of China and you guys don't even dare to go get what is yours.

Having nuclear weapons does not make you a superpower. Guaranteeing mutual destruction is not equal to being a superpower.

China has no interested in being a superpower . That is US's hobby .
I know being a superpower should have the capability of killing people highly efficiently, that's the key for US to be a superpower.
Because China is so scared of your outstanding skill of killing human, a mutual destruction must be Guaranteed.

 

[925boy]

I really think it is the end for North Korea. The Military solution isn't possible but starving it into submission is. 80% of its trade is with China.
I feel sorry for the poor people.

Actually, because so much of NK's existence relies of fellow communist/anti-west CHina, i dont believe CHina will use that leverage to make NK bow down or collapse. I have no doubt in my mind ideologically China prefers NK to US or SK. I might be wrong, but at the end of the day look at the NK parade- CHina has provided probably MORE TELs, Missile designs or/and parts. CHina is probably playing typical big power politics- help all sides and balance them out so they dont enter conflict due to poor deterrence on one side.

 

[Stuttgart001]

China did not veto in the U.N in favor of Syria this time over an investigation into the chemical attack. Traditionally China votes to protect that despot and hand in hand with Russia. http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/328573-trump-praises-china-for-abstaining-from-un-vote

Do not be naive. There is only one tradition that China take action based on out own interest and judgement.

American have a lot of traditional allies in Middle East and Africa,and how many democratic nations are they?

 

[925boy]

HUH? Why would xi think Russia another small regional power like you, would care about NK?

Xi freaked out and had started doing what Trump ordered him to do. We see all these moves as proof.

No, sorry. you are just seeing what you want to see. China moved troops to the border BECAUSE of the worrying evidence that NK and US might get into a military clash. It was a self preservation move. If US didnt threaten NK or try to send an aircraft carrier to Korean peninsula i doubt China would have moved those troops to NK border.

 

[Stuttgart001]

Actually, because so much of NK's existence relies of fellow communist/anti-west CHina, i dont believe CHina will use that leverage to make NK bow down or collapse.

I am afraid you are in no position to judge whether China is anti-west or not .
China is only against bombing other country and inciting civil people and disorder other nations.
If you equal such actions above to west, i admit that China is anti-west.

I have no doubt in my mind ideologically China prefers NK to US or SK. I might be wrong, but at the end of the day look at the NK parade- CHina has provided probably MORE TELs, Missile designs or/and parts. CHina is probably playing typical big power politics- help all sides and balance them out so they dont enter conflict due to poor deterrence on one side.

I do not what you see at the parade . According to your statement , obviously you have no idea about the relationship between China and North Korea. Any sane person would know such a nation totally under control of crazy youth with powerful weapons is too dangerous to be a neighbor. China wouldn't take the initiative to harm either other nations or himself.

Regarding playing big power politic, thank you for your flattery.
But China is really not good at it , and meanwhile has no interested in playing it .
All we want is just to protect our interest and develop our country.

 

[takeitwithyou]

Because some indian people dream of a asian NATO containing China , I just tell them how the real NATO works.

China has no interested in being a superpower . That is US's hobby .
I know being a superpower should have the capability of killing people highly efficiently, that's the key for US to be a superpower.
Because China is so scared of your outstanding skill of killing human, a mutual destruction must be Guaranteed.

lol

No, sorry. you are just seeing what you want to see. China moved troops to the border BECAUSE of the worrying evidence that NK and US might get into a military clash. It was a self preservation move. If US didnt threaten NK or try to send an aircraft carrier to Korean peninsula i doubt China would have moved those troops to NK border.

And they stopped the massive coal supply and shut down the only flights into NK and back, because of...? The coal supply itself is almost 40 percent of the exports from NK.

Do not be naive. There is only one tradition that China take action based on out own interest and judgement.

American have a lot of traditional allies in Middle East and Africa,and how many democratic nations are they?

Do you ever post in context and in relationship to the post you quote, or you just like to type the first thing that comes to mind?

 

[925boy]

I am afraid you are in no position to judge whether China is anti-west or not .
China is only against bombing other country and inciting civil people and disorder other nations.
If you equal such actions above to west, i admit that China is anti-west.


I do not what you see at the parade . According to your statement , obviously you have no idea about the relationship between China and North Korea. Any sane person would know such a nation totally under control of crazy youth with powerful weapons is too dangerous to be a neighbor. China wouldn't take the initiative to harm either other nations or himself.

Regarding playing big power politic, thank you for your flattery.
But China is really not good at it , and meanwhile has no interested in playing it .
All we want is just to protect our interest and develop our country.

@ China not being anti-west- Well maybe i didnt intend to say CHina is fully anti-west, but even in ideology can you show me how CHina is "pro-west"? Yes CHina is pro-biz and pro Chinese citizens interests, but under US-CHina "friendship"i KNOW there is big ideological differences.
China already sold NK TELs that are embargoed due to UN sanctions. China also plays that dirty game, so you need to go check thoroughly whether NK really produced all the military equipment it paraded domestically.

 

[Stuttgart001]

@ China not being anti-west- Well maybe i didnt intend to say CHina is fully anti-west, but even in ideology can you show me how CHina is "pro-west"? Yes CHina is pro-biz and pro Chinese citizens interests, but under US-CHina "friendship"i KNOW there is big ideological differences.

Sorry, the cold war has ended for near 20 years. In China, everyone talks about business and no one cares about ideology.
Since you have talked about ideology, i wonder what is exactly the western ideology.
I have noticed that a lot of western european countries have different opinions on many issues with US.Let alone muslim nations ,Russia, africa , south america , etc .
It seems all nations are ideologically anti-west except west ,even some west are ideologically anti-west.
Does your western ideology equal the ideology of US ?

China already sold NK TELs that are embargoed due to UN sanctions. China also plays that dirty game, so you need to go check thoroughly whether NK really produced all the military equipment it paraded domestically.

You really have no idea about North Korea.
DPRK does business with a lot of african nations or traditional countries by smuggling.
There were news reported about DPRK's smuggling cargo was caught on public sea.
Kim Jong un and his father are really unfriendly with China, cause China did't give what they wanted.
Go annd learn something before making a statement.

lol
Do you ever post in context and in relationship to the post you quote, or you just like to type the first thing that comes to mind?

It is you talking about China giving up vetoing the solution of Syria and preferring to support despot.
Are you even capable of memorizing what you did ?

 

[takeitwithyou]

It is you talking about China giving up vetoing the solution of Syria and preferring to support despot.
Are you even capable of memorizing what you did ?

And what I said is true on both accounts
Stop using google to help translate and comprehend what is posted, please.

 

[Stuttgart001]

And what I said is true on both accounts
Stop using google to help translate and comprehend what is posted, please.

It is your truth.

 

[takeitwithyou]

It is your truth.

Your state-run media has reported the same.