Presidential System of Pakistan!!!

[waraich66]

PTI government is making plan for Presidential system implementation . Please give your opinion .

Thanks,

 

[Handshake]

I wish it happens.

 

[MastanKhan]

YES

 

[BRAVO_]

it is just a speculation ...... PTI govt is hanging by a thread .... change in government system requires overwhelming majority which they don't have.... but i wish if it could be change

 

[WaLeEdK2]

The system and by default this government won’t last long. But bringing in a new system is absolutely meaningless if people aren’t brought accountable. They’ll just pollute and corrupt the new system.

Before bringing a new political system you have to clean the country first and that means big decisions will have to be taken by the army, IK and the judiciary that will include overstepping their constitutional boundaries.

 

[TheNoob]

No amount of systems will save you unless you destroy the corruption within Pakistanis themselves....

 

[AZ1]

No amount of systems will save you unless you destroy the corruption within Pakistanis themselves....

Reforms?

The system and by default this government won’t last long. But bringing in a new system is absolutely meaningless if people aren’t brought accountable. They’ll just pollute and corrupt the new system.

Before bringing a new political system you have to clean the country first and that means big decisions will have to be taken by the army, IK and the judiciary that will include overstepping their constitutional boundaries.

Reforms, new laws wouldn't do anything?

 

[shahbaz baig]

This is a final solution of the problem, go ahead. Because after 18 amendment any party form the federal govt neither can make a law & policy nor federal can ever be strong in taking decisions. In presence of 18 amendment federal will always be economically weak & to get rid of this mess you must need 2/3 majority which is impossible to get for any political party in next 20 years.

Jaha zameer bikta ho.
Ezzat ka miyar Qirdar na ho.

Jaha Halal or Sach bewaqufi
Or jhot dhoky bazi siasat ho.

Jaha aj bhi lisaniyat ka vote dalta ho
Or insaniyat ka Qatal-e-Aam ho

Aisy nizaam ko, aisy intizimaam ko
Mai nhi manta, mai nhi janta.

Nothing will happen despite the fact that founder of the nation preferred presidential system for Pakistan.

Not only me but many patriotic persons have been discussing for long time, but who cares ?

Some genuine efforts from my side.

Proper systematic organizations of the country is the real solution With professionals, patriots.

If there would be martial law then pakistan has to face horrible consequnces world wide. Then pakistan will definatly going to loss foreign affairs and lossing the strength of foreign affairs means lossing our importance that is what pakistan cant afford in this current circumstances.

We have Parliamentarian System in Pakistan. The circumstances in Pakistan make Parliamentarian System as a very bad choice for Pakistan. Main reasons are lack of education, corrupt pratices, family business, nepotism System and Lotacracy (i.e. tradition of Horse Trading, changing loyalties)

Today Pakistani People are fed up with present system, and they are confused and they don't know what to do in order to come over problems like corruption due to curropt practices, nepotism etc.. In every election, the same corrupt and big Political Families come to power again and again, and it will keep on happening in future too.

Even the new parties will also be forced use these same corrupts in order to win the elections (as we saw in many elections) in the rural areas.


Only due to this failure of Parliamentarian System, we are hearing the voices among masses for Dictatorship and Army or Supreme Court.


Any how, there is still one way left there is still one alternative left i.e. Presidential System (democracy not martial law).

Sadly, the intellectuals, columnists and leaders of our Nation, they have not concentrated enough upon this alternative of Presidential System and although we hear few voices here and there about Presidential System, but still there is no good and serious study made about it according to the present circumstances of Pakistan.

It is irrelevant if Nation adopts this new Presidential System or not, but still there should be serious study upon it and we have to look at positives and negatives of this system. If we today talk about it and make nationaware of it, only then we could hope that Nation could adopt it in next 5-10 years.


How does the Presidential Sytem works

• In Parliamentarian system, the AWAM (public) get only ONE chance to go to the ballot box and choose the member for national assembly. Then those MPs (members of Parliament) choose the Prime Minister on bases of partysystem. Then this Prime Minister forms the Government.
  
  
• But in Presidential system, the importance of AWAM (people) increases as it gets TWO Chances to go to ballot box. Firstly in order to choose the members for Parliament. And secondly, when this AWAM (people) choose the President DIRECTLY. And then this directly elected President forms the government.

This President is free of blackmailing of different small Parties and independent candidates in Parliament while AWAM choose him directly.

Why Presidential System is better for Pakistan than Parliamentarian System?


1. Corrupt practices/nepotism


In Parliamentarian system, every constituency becomes very importance. Every member of parliament not only does the Legislation, but also they are involved in Government-Making.


In Pakistan, the corrupt practices and nepotism are strong enough to get hold of small areas like one constituency, and get success there by unfair means. While a normal Pakistani, who is perhaps much more educated and loyal to Pakistan than that corrupt mafia, got absolutely no chance to win against these corrupt powerful family nepotism system.

In comparison to Parliamentarian system, the role of MPs is not so important in Presidential system and they are not strong to do the corruption. Their role is limited only to doing Legislation for the country and they are no more involved in Government-Making.


So, this Presidential system snatch the power of Government-Making from these corrupt mafia, and give it to the whole Nation so that they could Directly elect the President themselves.


Therefore, even if there come no Land reforms in Pakistan, or we don't crush this corrupt mafia system, still we would be able to destroy the importance of this nepotism system by making it non-effective and powerless. Even if the results are not 100% (as in case of crushing them from root), still success rate will be much higher than in the present Parliamentarian system.


2. The decrease in importance of Provincial Assemblies after introduction of Local Body System


Do you remember when the Local Body system was introduced and the Powers were transferred to the local Body system, then these corrupt mafia and family business in politics were not interested any more in becoming members of Provincial assemblies. In fact, many members of Provincial assemblies resigned from their seats and contested for the Local body elections.


Therefore, we could hope that we will witness the same thing in national assembly after the introduction of Presidential system when members will lose the right of Government-Making and there powers will be limited only to doing legislation. Therefore, at that time these seats of national assembly will be no more interesting for these corrupt mafia and nepotism while in Presidential system they are no more a duck which lays golden eggs. After that, only those people will contest for national assembly, who are serious and loyal in doing legislation for their country.



3. Cabinet Ministers are chosen only from the MPs in Parliamentarian system


One of the biggest flaw in Parliamentarian system is this that Cabinet Ministers could only be chosen from among the Mps (who are mostly illiterate, corrupt, incompetent and have become MP due to Horse Trading, corrupt practices and changing loyalties).


In case of Pakistan, the prime minister has to chose the whole cabinet from 345 members of NA (and perhaps 100 of Senate). Actually, these figure are also not true, while prime minister choose the ministers ONLY from his party which reduce this number to 100-150 members.


Under the Presidential system, on the other hand, the President is not hampered by such considerations. He is not tied to, or subordinate to, the legislature. He is free to choose his cabinet of ministers from outside the members of the legislature. In this way, he can induct really competent, experienced and deserving people into the government. He can choose freely men of vision and integrity, of professional knowledge and practical experience.


(More in depth to understand the current system of pakistan)
Political Families and inheriting politics as business


In Pakistan, there are few Political Families and they inherit the politics to their family members as business. For example:


1. The brother of Nawaz Sharif. The son-in-law of Nawaz Sharif and then other relatives like Abid Sher Ali, Bilal Yasin etc.
2. Chaudhry Shujaat and his family.
3. Asif Ali Zardari, his sisters and in future his son Bilawal.
Etc.


In comparison to Parliamentarian system, when the right of Government-Making will be shifted to the AWAM (public) directly, then this will also reduce this Family Politics system too (or at least reduce it's importance to great extent). Thus, it would not harm Pakistan too much as it is doing in Parliamentarian system at present.



The special quota seats for the women


In Parliamentarian system these women (who come on these special quota seats),they also participate in this Government-Making process. Therefore their importance also increases many folds. Hence you will see that wives, sisters and daughters of big Politicians and Families sitting upon these special quota seats. They are absolutely not interested in legislation for women, but more interested in Government-Making.


In Presidential system, this culture will come to an end as the role of these special quota seats will be limited only to legislation for the woman too.



Horse Trading

This Horse Trading is only the gift of Parliamentarian system, while in Presidential system there is no place for Horse Trading.


This Horse Trading comes into being when one party has not got the decisive majority in the parliament and is unable to form the Government at it's own. Therefore, small parties and independent members become Lotas and they have then a price tag for their vote.


This Horse Trading does not limited only to one time Government forming. No, during whole tenure of such government, they keep on blackmailing the government and doing corruption at their will, while Government has to stay quite upon their blackmailing.


In presidential system, while it is AWAM which chooses the President directly, therefore such President is fully free of any type of blackmailing of such small parties and lotas. The president has public support at his back thus making him independent of these lotas.


In Parliamentarian system, you will see big goons in cabinet while small parties and lotas demand their share in form of ministries. For example if we have 90 Ministers in present government of Pakistan. Another example is of JUI (Fazlur Rehman Group) which has limited 5 to 7 seats in national assembly, but almost 5 to 7 ministries in the cabinet.


In Presidential system, once again we witness small number of ministers as small parties are unable to blackmail the President.



The presence of more small parties is not good for Parliamentarian System


Unfortunately:

1. We have MANY small parties and groups and independent candidates in our national assembly of Pakistan. The Parliamentarian system works best when there are only 2 or 3 big parties present in the parliament, otherwise these small parties start playing Horse Trading.
   
2. Second unfortunate thing for Pakistan is this that none of these Political Parties has the decisive majority seats. At end, they have to become victim of blackmailing of small parties.
   
3. Third unfortunate thing is this that all of these parties are limited to some specific areas of Pakistan. This is not a good sign for democracy or Parliamentarian system.

Due to these three problems, again Parliamentarian system is not good for Pakistan.



Is it blessing of Presidential System that Poor but deserving visionary Person can be on top?


Perhaps there are minute chances in Parliamentarian system too for such wonders. Any how, in Pakistani political culture, it is very difficult that in presence of Parliamentarian system and 2 big parties like PPP, Nawaz League, any poor but sincere person could become President/Prime Minister of Pakistan.


Even if any such wonder happens, still that Prime Minister will only prove to be an agent of these Rich and corrupt Pakistani Politicians. There is no chance he could run Pakistan according to his vision independently.


Only this presidential system could provide this chance to Pakistani AWAM (public) to choose any such talented and patriotic President for Pakistan, who will never come under pressure (/blackmailing) from these corrupt politicians. and never come under pressure to any foreign country.



Usage of Mafias in Parliamentarian system to get votes


In Pakistan Mafias are used to bring the voters to caste their votes. They are also bribed with Money and with food.


In Presidential system this evil will also be minimized. The corrupt mafias are not so much loyal to their parties to do all this for their parties. They do it only for themselves while they know they are doing a business while they could earn a lot of money if they win the elections in Parliamentarian system.


In Presidential system only those people come out to vote who are really close to any candidate politically and ideologically i.e. No fake vote in name of money, food or force.

The Objections made upon the Presidential System

1. We need Sincere people, and not the New System


The first, and the most common objection is: "We don't need a NEW system, but we need the "sincere" people who "implement" the system."


It sounds good, but in practical world, a sincere person is also some times helpless at hands of corrupt system and unable to do any thing.


For example, Supreme Court wants to crush the prices of sugar, but it didn't get any success under present Parliamentarian system while all Mill owners are themselves sitting in the cabinet and they could blackmail the government very very well.

i am not the fan of Musharraf
Musharraf's era of 1999 till 2002 was best in term of not taking any US aid, he was able to strengthen the economy of Pakistan. Nawaz Government left only 0.30 Billion US Dollars and country was very close to be declared as Bank Corrupt. But Musharraf was able to increase the foreign exchange to 3 Billion dollar (from 0.30 Billions) without any US aid. But then Musharraf had also to take the support of corrupt politicians of Q-League in order to run this parliamentarian system. but we can completely get rid of corrupt political elites with fully implement ion of presidential system.

Therefore, your intention may be very pure, you may be very sincere, but after taking the "Wrong Decision", the chances of success are very minute. And this parliamentarian system is indeed that "Wrong Decision" in history of Pakistan which is harming the country for decades and every time same corrupt politicians coming to power again and again.


Allama Iqbal said about these same people:


Iqbal says: "The most difficult step in life of a Nation is to take the NEW Steps. They are afraid of taking new steps, therefore they keep on sticking to the same old corrupt system."


Very truly said Sir Iqbal.


At end, parliamentarian system is successful where whole nation is educated one, where there is no nepotism system, no corrupt and powerful Landlords who become even above the law due to their corrupt political practices.


Without these prerequisites, this parliamentarian system become very fatal for the nation.


2. In some countries, Presidential system converted into Dictatorship


Studies have been done upon Presidential system, and the biggest objection upon it is this that in few African and South American countries, the Presidential system converted into dictatorship.


It is a valid objection.


Nevertheless, in “Pakistan of Today”, there is 0% chance that Republican Presidential System changes into any kind of dictatorship. These examples of African and South American countries are old, when there was no independent Media available and people didn't have enough awareness. But today we are watching a Media Revolution, especially in form of internet and mobiles. Today it is almost impossible.


In comparison to Military President, there are many checks upon Republican President. Assemblies not only work as opposition, but they are also check upon the President. We cant go in details in this short time of periods, but briefly, we could introduce more checks according to circumstances of Pakistan.


3. Small Provinces could object upon Presidential System


The opponents also say that small provinces will protest that presidential candidate from Punjab would be able to get more votes why Punjab population is in majority.


This objection is not true. This allegation is already there in present Parliamentarian system while seats from Punjab are already in almost decisive number in Parliament. It is reality that Punjab makes almost half of Pakistan population and this reality could not be changed. Now what ever route you take, you come to the same result.


And we could also apply formulas, which could equate the Effects of total number of total votes from every Province in presidential system to the number of seats in present parliamentarian system from every Province. In every way, this problem is solvable.


In fact, present parliamentarian system is becoming a reason for provincial hatred. For example:


- Awami National Party of Mujeeb-ur-Rehman got the label of East Pakistan.
- Nawaz League got the label of representing only Punjab.
- MQM got the label of Karachi and Hyderabad.
- MMA got the label of Baluchistan and Khyber Pakhtunkhawa.
- And PPP has got the label of Sindh.
-PTI is also following the foot print of above mentioned parties.


Therefore, the net system will be the same. Actually, there are chances of better results in Presidential System as individual Presidential Candidates could more free of these provincial tags as it is the case with present Political parties of Pakistan.
Conclusion:


According to present circumstances of Pakistan, the Presidential system has preference over parliamentarian system:

1. Firstly, the AWAM (public) will get the chance to directly select their leader (while in parliamentarian system President is chosen by corrupt parties and their corrupt politicians.
   
2. While President is DIRECTLY chosen by public, therefore no small parties would be able to blackmail him.
   
3. You also don't see any horse trading in the assemblies. All this horse trading is the blessing of parliamentarian system only.
   Actually this thing is enough that Pakistan go for the Presidential system.
   
4. In parliamentarian system, the corrupt mafia win in their constituencies due to being land lord in that area or due to nepotism system. The biggest benefit of presidential system is this that corruption of such corrupt mafia will become ineffective in Presidential system while their role will be limited to only legislation i.e. no more Government-Making.
   
5. Pakistani Political Parties are very corrupt, and in form of present parliamentarian system, only these corrupt parties are going to come again and again and form government.
   While only Presidential system gives this opportunity to Pakistani AWAM (public) to choose any competent and non corrupt President who could fight against these corrupt Politicians and do good for Pakistan.

By the grace of Allah, Pakistani Nation has always produced some extra ordinary Individuals. The nation know them. But in case of parliamentarian system, these people could never reach to the Government.



How the Presidential System could be introduced into Pakistan?


This is the toughest question. The present corrupt but powerful Politicians will oppose the presidential system to their best.


Any how, we don't know about the future. If state of things go worse in Pakistani and ever Supreme Court or Army get themselves involved, then both Supreme Court and Military should have an alternative option at their hand in form of Presidential system. They could go to the AWAM (public) in form of Referendum in order to impose Presidential system in Pakistan.

 

[AZ1]

Don't know when this will happen

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

yes please

 

[Verve]

PTI government is making plan for Presidential system implementation . Please give your opinion .

Work on this system is not done by the PTI government. IK wants this system and those working on the system have never been PTI people (why would they make themselves irrelevant by being part of it?).

Supporting IK's government is one plan but beyond certain redlines other plan(s) will come in action.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Presidential system actually delivers fast.

 

[El Sidd]

What fantasy league football is this now.

So after handsome PM we will have a handsome President?

 

[Tameem]

Its Economy Stupid!

 

[War Thunder]

The system and by default this government won’t last long. But bringing in a new system is absolutely meaningless if people aren’t brought accountable. They’ll just pollute and corrupt the new system.

Before bringing a new political system you have to clean the country first and that means big decisions will have to be taken by the army, IK and the judiciary that will include overstepping their constitutional boundaries.

The interim setup will take care of that.
Imran Khan can finish some ood stuff quickly and step down from all their seats. Let an interim setup take care of the thugz for a couple of years and have presidential elections right after.