PREPARING FOR WAR?afghans has asked India for 150 tanks,field guns,mortars,helicopters and aircraft

[CHACHA"G"]

You can't give T72 unofficially. Kalbhushans can't do that. These deals happen officially.

And with the kind of condition of both Afghans and Indians are in, this wish list of a bharati is just that. A wish list.

not the tanks Bhai ,,, the men,,,,,,,, india have enough free (trained reserves and RSS)

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ok if you say so,,, lakin bari ka intizar kerna hoga.

 

[El Sidd]

ok if you say so,,, lakin bari ka intizar kerna hoga

Jab tak meri bari nahi aegi bomb marte raho

Nasr me chalaonga

 

[Areesh]

not the tanks Bhai ,,, the men,,,,,,,, india have enough free (trained reserves and RSS)

Nah they care about their men too. Not everyone is a d!ck like Afghans to lose 7000 men every year to Taliban.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Nah they care about their men too. Not everyone is a d!ck like Afghans to lose 7000 men every year to Taliban.

In the recent attack where 5 frontier corps men were martyred, the attackers were TTP+Daesh+Afghan reg. Army, so the nexus is clear and the powers behind them, for India it is a best case scenario...heat up the western border of Pakistan.

Agree, they will not send their foot soldiers...

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

Afghan army with tanks are lethal! Just ask USSR when they invaded Afghanistan !

 

[Areesh]

In the recent attack where 5 frontier corps men were martyred, the attackers were TTP+Daesh+Afghan reg. Army, so the nexus is clear and the powers behind them, for India it is a best case scenario...heat up the western border of Pakistan.

Agree, they will not send their foot soldiers...

Afghans are at back foot. At best they can do this Kurram Agency type incidents in every few weeks or months. Other than that they can't fight a sustained war against Pakistan.

They are already losing more and more men every year. On the day they killed 5 Pakistan soldiers they lost at least 24 men in Ghazni and other provinces at the hands of Taliban.

We should just give Afghans an aggressive response when they act stupid instead of recent show of cowardice that we did and then sit back and enjoy ANA losing its men to Taliban.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Afghans are at back foot. At best they can do this Kurram Agency type incidents in every few weeks or months. Other than that they can't fight a sustained war against Pakistan.

They are already losing more and more men every year. On the day they killed 5 Pakistan soldiers they lost at least 24 men in Ghazni and other provinces at the hands of Taliban.

We should just give Afghans an aggressive response when they act stupid instead of recent show of cowardice that we did and then sit back and enjoy ANA losing its men to Taliban.

At the back foot and bending over backwards(for whom is clear). Reports of 20 plus casualties on the Afghan side seems true, excluding the 24 men killed in Ghazni you are quoting, as the battle was inside the Afghan territory, Pak doesn't need to give back any dead bodies.

But such skirmishes and hostility must be creating more hatred in the Afghan pro govt. people against Pakistan...the idea is to portray Pakistan as an aggressor and get the sympathy factor from locals...doing this for the last many years.

Yes Pakistan need to show measured aggression and with calculated risk...we were earlier too apologetic and benevolent to them, just like to the Afghan refugees.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Afghan army with tanks are lethal! Just ask USSR when they invaded Afghanistan !

 

[Areesh]

But such skirmishes and hostility must be creating more hatred in the Afghan pro govt. people against Pakistan...the idea is to portray Pakistan as an aggressor and get the sympathy factor from locals...doing this for the last many years.

Those who hate Pakistan would hate Pakistan irrespective of our response. But aggressive response is needed to keep Afghans in their limit. Other than sit back and enjoy the show.

As for Afghan casualties:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/seve...r-clashes-with-pakistan.554199/#post-10422628

 

[313ghazi]

Basically you are admitting it yourself. You cannot escape the inevitability of war and instability being imposed from across the border. What do you do in such an instance?

You say they boys are doing what they are trained to do. They should retaliate. Not hold back and worry about Afghan civilians.

Everything costs money. So does surveying the border and fencing it. Does it mean we should cower and halt all our activities? Of course not. You know how long it took for Pakistan army to fence the border? I have been advocating this at least more than a decade ago.

Time has come to face the reality. Not acting in accordance with ground reality amounts to naivety. We need to be proactive. Afghanistan needs to be taught a lesson. The Pak armed forces will have no option, but to retaliate sooner than later.

I agree with you, I think our position is far too defensive. I am just saying that I can understand why we take the approach we take.

1. To wage a war in Afghanistan requires government approval, something I'm sure GHQ could get if they really wanted it, but it's not something you do just because of a border clash. War although winnable, would require defined outcomes, a plan to achieve them and lots of money to fight the war. Right now there isn't a clear strategy on what the war would achieve and how. Going gung ho is how conflicts like the Iraq war and Vietnam happen. We are not immune to that. Our enemies would like nothing more than us to get drawn into a quagmire.

2. Our military strategy is very textbook. it's based i bet still on what is taught in Sandhurst and Westpoint and is around maintaining territorial integrity and repelling attacks. The British and the Americans when training foreign troops imbed into the leadership class the limits they expect them to stay within, they won't be teaching people how to conquer.

I don't know how old you are, but I am old enough to remember when we started in this war against the TTP. Our forces had their asses handed to them for ages until we developed a COIN strategy that worked. I very much doubt we have a policy for expansionist projects.

Unfortunately i reckon this is our military culture. The Turks despite being NATO members are completely different to us. They have a heritage of aggression and expanding their borders, they've embraced that and kept that, hence their intervention in Cyprus and Syria.

3. Our expansionist projects were run by brave individuals. Kargil was Musharrafs idea, Zia, Hamid Gul and his successor, ran the Jihadi projects which had Pakistani backing as far as Bosnia and Chechnya. Unfortunately we didn't adopt this "front foot" model of thinking permanently.

In summary;

- We don't have a history of acting rashly, or overly harshly
- We don't want to finance a war
- We haven't planned or war gamed an expansionist war on this border
- Because of the above the army won't be reacting aggressively like so many of us want it too.

I expect them to do the following;

- Complete the fencing of the border.
- Provide top equipment to those at the border to ensure it's safety.
- Continue building garrisons in the region so armed forces can quickly be deployed.
- Continue/improve support towards TTA to undermine the Kabul government.

What I would like them to do is;

- All the above they are already working on.
- Carry out missile strikes and air raids on ANA posts and TTP posts in Afghanistan under the guise of taking out ISIS/Taliban.
- Beef up security on the border so if there are any further attacks they can be repelled quicker.
- Aggressively support TTA in undermining Kabul government
- Deport all the refugees as fast as we can. We need to cut this PTM below the knees as quick as we can.
- If ANA or Kabul prove to be difficult cut all diplomatic ties and all shipments
- Cut all NATO shipments too.

I don't think they will do this. Our military culture is to do the safest possible bet, minimise risk.

 

[New World]

Jab tak meri bari nahi aegi bomb marte raho

Nasr me chalaonga

ababeel ko me uraonga..

 

[El Sidd]

ababeel ko me uraonga..

Manzoor hai.

Nasr bas mera

 

[Moonlight]

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Women card using here my turn first .

Very insane of India and Afghanistan for not realizing Pakistan is not bear handed too

 

[El Sidd]

Women card using here my turn first .

Agayin ...

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[Suff Shikan]

https://twitter.com/x/status/986241434872307713

Taliban are enough to take these number of equipments out if there is war.