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You are right, he doesn't bother to read past the first line or just need to argue something for the sake of arguing.
Power Struggle: China’s electric vehicle pitted against Japan’s hydrogen car
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You are right, he doesn't bother to read past the first line or just need to argue something for the sake of arguing.
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I read your long reply that sum up just one point the EV battery is for the win consumers EV. Unfortunately, the busines does not allow two technoligies does the samething co exisstance that is because of costly competitions. Battery power cars is not green tech, hydrogen is. Secondly, hydrogen has more advantages, such as range, charge time, and most importantly it empower heavy industry. The only disadvantage is cost to install station but that will reduce over time. No such thing as HdDvd co existance with blu ray. Who would want EV battery car when it still produce pollution and not green tech, gasoline is more reliable, only Hydrogen car can challenge gasoline cars because fuel cell is green tech.
In other word, hydrogen challenge gasoline in every sector. More investors will pour money to hydrogen therefore tech will improve over time thus reduce cost. Battery is dead lock with small car and limited options.
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Honda's New Hydrogen-Powered Vehicle Feels More Like A Real Car
Erk Honda and Huyndai bets on hydrogen. Future does not look bright for EV. Unless every person can afford a tesla and have patient standing at charging station for 1 hour. China bets in wrong game.
Erk Honda and Huyndai bets on hydrogen. Future does not look bright for EV. Unless every person can afford a tesla and have patient standing at charging station for 1 hour. China bets in wrong game.
Electric car is the clear future, together with smart grids. Clearly both China and United States are betting on E-cars. Many malls or supermarkets have charging stands now in United States. Hydrogen car is just a short term event. But Japanese companies make popular hybrid cards.
If you drive electrical cars in Western United States, you can easily locate charging stands in malls, supermarkets, or gas stations. Both China and United States are working hard to scale up electrical cars and cut down prices. When the price of E-car is in parity with gasoline cars, governments in China and United States may start to force people to drive e-cars.
In the area of electrical cars, US and China are partnered and clearly supporting each other. Japan is betrayed by United States.
In United States, most homes have garages. People can charge electric car at home during night time to save money. Especially with solar panel at home, you can cut your energy cost big. Charging time therefore is not a big deal. China may be not as good as United States. But still many homes have garages. I think that Europe is the same.
Japan may favor hydrogen cars due to home conditions. But you cannot have Japanese market competing with the China-US-Europe alliance.
Hong Kong also prefers hydrogen cars. Home condition makes the difference.
If you drive electrical cars in Western United States, you can easily locate charging stands in malls, supermarkets, or gas stations. Both China and United States are working hard to scale up electrical cars and cut down prices. When the price of E-car is in parity with gasoline cars, governments in China and United States may start to force people to drive e-cars.
In the area of electrical cars, US and China are partnered and clearly supporting each other. Japan is betrayed by United States.
In United States, most homes have garages. People can charge electric car at home during night time to save money. Especially with solar panel at home, you can cut your energy cost big. Charging time therefore is not a big deal. China may be not as good as United States. But still many homes have garages. I think that Europe is the same.
Japan may favor hydrogen cars due to home conditions. But you cannot have Japanese market competing with the China-US-Europe alliance.
Hong Kong also prefers hydrogen cars. Home condition makes the difference.
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bold 1: I dont see U.S force anyone using EV cars. I know for sure Cali is also supporting FCEV.
bold 2: Another false assumption, GM is partnering with Toyota developing hydrogen cars. U.S. automobile industry is lag behind, it needs Japan to help it.
bold 3: Another dangerous assumption. BMW will introduce its hydrogen car in 2020.
BMW’s hydrogen compression breakthrough significantly increases FCV range | Dispatch Tribunal
No sign of investments stop pouring in hydrogen tech. BMW, Honda, Toyota, Huyndai they all push for Hydrogen - I dont see any automobile enterprise or government can beat these 4. Either follow their foot steps or die trying. China is wasting big money on developing junk again. Who would be buying Chinese EV cars and how many can afford driving Tesla. The EV tech has been out for a while now and only small improvement over years and a tiny market while Hydrogen will challenge gasoline and diesel in every sector.
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The main thing you get with Hydrogen is energy density which is much higher than current battery technology. I suspect it will be good for long range uses like ocean liner ships, planes and may be some military land vehicles where energy density is very important to have. But battery technology is already good enough for regular everyday car, truck and bus use, so Hydrogen is going to be overkill for these cases as storing electricity from solar or wind in one set of electricity storage and then charging the battery directly from this storage is much more efficient than producing hydrogen with current technology.
I didn't say that US was forcing EV cars now. I only mean that when the EV car reaches parity with gasoline cars. In Western States, the infrastructures for EV cars have been established while almost few hydrogen charging stations in the consumer level.
Big companies always diversify. Some R&D developments mean nothing. EV cars will dominate while hydrogen cars may have some markets. Just like smartphones, China and US companies dominate while Japan still has some markets.
Electricity is the cleanest and most dynamic energy sources for human. Even in Kitchen, you have electricity replacing natural gases. Car industry is no difference. The only bottleneck is the portability of electricity, or battery.
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lol you can talk as much as you want. The truth is, both the US and China see hydrogen as a failure and are not investing more money into it.
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List of electric and hybrid car makers in China (Some of them JVs).
Chinese-Made Electric Cars | ChinaAutoWeb
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Chinese EV Sales Ranking in the First Half of 2015
Data from China Association of Automobile Manufacturers show that automakers based in the country sold 72,711 plug-in battery vehicles in the first six months of 2015, 240% more than the same period a year earlier. EV production jumped 250% to 76,233 units. According to China Passenger Car Association (CPCA), deliveries of China-made passenger EVs reached 50,627 in H1 2015, including 29,743 pure-electrics and 20,884 plug-in hybrids. In June CPCA recorded 12,366 sales of electric passenger cars, including 7,065 pure-electrics and 5,301 plug-in hybrids.
Below are the sales of the top-five EV-makers in H1 2015 (not including buses and trucks):
1. BYD, 19,789
2. Zotye, 9,260
3. BAIC EV, 5,892
4. Chery, 5,337
5. SAIC, 3,461
Chinese-Made Electric Cars | ChinaAutoWeb
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Chinese EV Sales Ranking in the First Half of 2015
Data from China Association of Automobile Manufacturers show that automakers based in the country sold 72,711 plug-in battery vehicles in the first six months of 2015, 240% more than the same period a year earlier. EV production jumped 250% to 76,233 units. According to China Passenger Car Association (CPCA), deliveries of China-made passenger EVs reached 50,627 in H1 2015, including 29,743 pure-electrics and 20,884 plug-in hybrids. In June CPCA recorded 12,366 sales of electric passenger cars, including 7,065 pure-electrics and 5,301 plug-in hybrids.
Below are the sales of the top-five EV-makers in H1 2015 (not including buses and trucks):
1. BYD, 19,789
2. Zotye, 9,260
3. BAIC EV, 5,892
4. Chery, 5,337
5. SAIC, 3,461
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I agree with you that the US/China are almost on the same page regarding full electric vs Japan/EU on Hydrogen. It will be interesting to see who will end up winning this battle. If I have to bet my life on it, I would never bet against the US/China dual.
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Source where U.S see hydrogen as failure?
EV cars fit US energy policy much better. People charge EV cars in off-peak hours at home save energy big. EV cars, smart grids and solar panels are the most critical parts in US efforts for clean energy and energy efficiency. You can get subsidized for all of them.
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