Poverty to end by 2024

[VikingRaider]

Rant is the wrong word, the Govt is exaggerating, that is what they do for votes. But they are not the ones who will make products in BD, people have to do it.

OK then just exaggeration. But it's too much exaggeration. Without exaggerating they can finance them who can do this. I believe that our countrymen are more talented than Indians, so with proper opportunity we can make better thing than them.
We only need proper planing and finance . Also we need a guaranty of jobs. Without economic security I don't think merit can be used in good way.
As I said before awami league is doing much better in few sector but I feel that they have overlooked in some very important sector that is necessary.

 

[EasyNow]

OK then just exaggeration. But it's too much exaggeration. Without exaggerating they can finance them who can do this.

Yes it is exaggeration, they had a good run and they are fully exploiting it. It is up to you if you want to give them credit or not.

But it is hard to deny that the country is doing better than 10 years ago and despite the challenges, it will probably continue after the electricity and infrastructure is built. So despite the exaggeration, ask yourself is more progress plausible?

The govt big talk is not going to take food from your mouth, but there are many real challenges coming to the economy. eople here are busy cursing the Govt when the true threat is coming through world economic recession and robotic manufacturing.

 

[Bilal9]

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[VikingRaider]

It is up to you if you want to give them credit or not.

I already gave them credit. My voice is just against their exaggeration. Basically I am one of those 25% floating voter who actually decide the fate of wining party.
So neither awami league nor BNP is my priority, I will prefer them who will do even slightly better for peoples. That's why I made myself clear in 2 posts ( perhaps in a other thread can't remember right now) and I praised good works of Awami league .

But it is hard to deny that the country is doing better than 10 years ago and despite the challenges, it will probably continue after the electricity and infrastructure is built. So despite your annoyance with govt exaggeration, ask yourself is more progress plausible?

Agree, no one is denying that before 10 years Bangladesh was in severe problem .
BNP destroyed electricity sector and few others.
Awami league recovered it. Now faster Internet is almost in everytown in Bangladesh in reasonable price.
I myself use 5 mbps connection that was unimaginable few years ago. And for the Internet speed and non stop electricity even many peoples are now interested to freelancing.
Actually you know without Internet and electricity ( if you choose Web development,you need pc and without electricity you can't run and without better Internet you can't do such works too )
I saw few young lads are doing various jobs like WordPress design /development , graphics design , affiliate marketing and logo design and earning good amount, yes it's a success of Awami league despite their endless ranting about freedom fight and Rajakar theory.
But on the other hand we must not forget that development of a country isn't a peice of cake , and exaggeration is never going to help them or our country but this exaggeration is just too much annoying.
However govt is doing well but still it's not in right pace. More pace is possible and if govt Want they can do it. And everyone know why our govt won't do this . After all its a Bangladeshi political party who love robbery of our money and make palace. ( again awami league is doing better than BNP, so please no argument about the robber issue, as all are robber, just BNP robbed everything last time , but league is giving us few shares.)
It's already 10 years of this regime and I think we can expect more .

 

[VikingRaider]

All abusive posts have been reported to the mods.

Do yourself a favour will you ? Report your own post where you love to insult other peoples.
Report this one first. Atleast moderators will know how irrelevant you are. By the way, if you reported post why the hell you let others know ? To draw attention from others?
It's you who directly claim that I and Bluesky is same person without any reason, without proof.

I had no argument with you, I didn't reply any of your post and I was talking to other posters.
Yet you insulted me. এরেই বলে পায় পাঁড়া দিয়া ঝগড়া বাধানো! If you think you will be spared after insulting me, you made a terrible mistake.
Just remember @Bilal9 , and don't insult me again
. This is a forum and here peoples come to discuss, not to flatter your awami development or not to establish autocratic behavior of Awami guys.
Although you haven't directly said, still I believe that you reported my post too as it was offensive.
But don't worry I didn't report your offensive post to mods, because I have no taste of crying that ma ma Bilal beat me, so I have reported to you ma!

In future if you ever offend me again, I will be more offensive,and it will be unimaginable for you; As you sow, so shall you reap.
, just remember this.
But well if you won't offend me, you ( or anyone) will have my respect as I have respect to other peoples in my real life, as I will never have any kind of enmity or friendship with you or with any others in this forum as we are all unknown to each others.

Now you can report this post too if you want as I have threatened to be offensive if you again offend me .
I don't care , it's not necessary for me to stay in this forum as I am just here to kill my lazy times.

 

[bluesky]

Denying BD's achievements because we cannot match Japan or build a power station is ridiculous. Give some credible reason for your position, don't just rant.

You've chosen a ridiculous target and claim BD failed because it didn't meet that target. What is hollow (and disingenuous) is your baseless demand for Japan levels of industrialisation.

- sewing machines... @Bilal9 has explained this amply, try to digest it. You are free to open a sewing machine factory in BD, you will find that all the ingredients are available and the expertise too. But you won't, while labelling the society lazy.

- waterlogging, unsolved? BD is officially the wettest country on earth (highest ratio of water to land), it is a delta and it is on the coast. It is also hugely overcrowded. Now give me an explanation of how you were expecting to solve this in 50 years let alone the last 10 years?

You blame the govt AND society. BD imports most raw materials and therefore we don't have much industrial experience. On the other hand, we have been blessed with fertile land, and we have proved to use this impeccably. If anything, give credit to Bangladeshi people for making most of what they have.

Thanks for giving all the excuses for BD to remain an underdeveloped, uncivilized and unachieved country. But, with so many daily issues at hand unresolved, you are asking conscience people like us to believe that Hasina will build jet planes and send Mars missions. I am eagerly waiting to hear it happen in 2031 CE.

So, is it I or Hasina, supported by brats like you, chose the ridiculous targets? Sewing machine factory is not being built in BD because people here are not sharp to do even the reverse engineering and the BAL ministers get a lot of bribes from the importers.

Who compared BD with Japan? BD just cannot go that far at least in the next thousand years with ignorant people like you born in the country. Japanese have all the qualities required to build a technology-based modern society. But, we wait for the Heaven to come down to build the roads, resolve the waterlogging and build the industries. We are and will remain a traditional society without knowledge.

 

[bluesky]

All abusive posts have been reported to the mods.

How about your own posts? You lose a debate and start abusing by calling a member false flagger and anti-BD. BY the way, what knowledge do you have about hydraulics? Speak out the reasons why waterlogging cannot be fixed by the civil design/construction engineers?

Oh!! I was wondering if Hasina will forget about Jetplane and rocket science for the next ten years and pursue the building of steam/diesel locomotives that pull the trains. BD spends a lot of dollars to buy them from India who does not claim to reach the developed status by 2041. It is a shame BD cannot even build locomotives, train coaches, and freight trains by itself, but wants to build jet planes and rockets. What an Awami crap!!

 

[Bilal9]

The subject of this thread is 'poverty to end by 2024' (in Bangladesh).

Please try to stay on topic...

 

[VikingRaider]

The subject of this thread is 'poverty to end by 2024' (in Bangladesh).

Please try to stay on topic...

Noble advise, I appreciate this !
But actually your post (#71) is the reason of derailing this thread.
If everyone can respect everyone's thought, feelings and the right of freedom of speech then no thread will be derailed imo.
However let's back to topic.

 

[Bilal9]

What you are saying sounds simple, but it is isn't. To make everything at home, you have to import the raw materials - which makes it more expensive for you than for a country who produces that material. Also some countries are buying so much raw material they get a cheaper rate - you will pay the full price in Bd. They are also more experienced than you, How can you then compete with them? It takes genius business men and they are the ones taking BD forward. I am not pushing government propaganda, I'm asking for credit to your own countrymen.

Beautifully explained and jives well with my experience observing industrial development in Korea, Taiwan and China on my travels in the mid 1990's. But for some among us (you know who you are - Allah help the less clueful and uninitiated), they will vehemently deny this basic proven Asian tiger approach and take cues from the stupid misguided license-Raj and PSU industrial moves Indians followed and are still following, much to their detriment.

• Indian approach of making everything from needles to ships DOES NOT WORK in Bangladesh. Our market is way too small to warrant some of these humongous and unwise industrial investments.
• We can only make what makes sense in terms of value addition. Clothing value addition is cheap and our labor value addition is the cheapest so far, even cheaper than Cambodia and way cheaper than India.
• India is a much larger country with much deeper pockets to absorb failed Public Sector Units. We can't.
• Look at the massive Indian PSU's that failed and landed on their lumbering faces recently,
  • HMT Ltd.
  • Tyre Corporation of India
  • Jessop Ltd.
  • Scooters India Lucknow
  • NEPA MILLS Ltd.
  • Triveni Structurals Ltd
  • Tungabhadra Steel Products Ltd.
  • Hindustan Cables

• India is large enough as a market that they can protect theirs from cheap imports with non-tarriff barriers if need be, we can't.

I will give everyone an example. Look at Scooters India.

They used to make Lambretta scooter copies, then they turned to making third rate Industrial three-wheelers, which no one bought. Too expensive and problems with parts availability. More expensive than Bajaj products and way worse in quality compared to Vespa industrial three-wheelers for retail delivery use. As long as India was a closed market, they could force Indian consumers to buy their crap, but when India opened up, their end was just a matter of time. I don't know if they are still running with govt. subsidies. I doubt it. Look at the conditions of this dump in spite of dozens of crores in investments...

ISO 9001 anyone?

Storage under open sky...

Bangladesh does not have the luxury to try and fail at this type of tomfoolery selling locally which can't compete with imports. Exactly what we should avoid doing.

We will export what we can make profitably and competitively to int'l markets, import what little quantity of anything we need at the cheapest cost, and only make locally when it makes economic sense...there is no Goddamn ego involved about 'we can make needles so we are world best' Bullsh*t.

Bangladesh has started deep level electronics manufacturing for cellphones because there is a viable large market locally and a NEED. So investments in component level manufacturing for cellphones were wisely made. Interestingly the rest of the subcontinent did not follow. Time will tell who is right.

No one in industrial countries I have been to, cares about any of this 'we can make this so mera desh mahaan' BS. The only people I see is some idiot uneducated Sanghis and their Bangladeshi 'chelas' jumping up and down about it as a basis for some idiotic 'superiority' - like it matters.

The only place it may matter in limited fashion is armaments and munitions which have embargoes and controls, so the Iranians for example are making their own copies of Chinese missiles and other platforms.

But if you are not a rogue state then who cares??

 

[UKBengali]

Beautifully explained and jives well with my experience observing industrial development in Korea, Taiwan and China on my travels in the mid 1990's. But for some among us (you know who you are - Allah help the less clueful and uninitiated), they will vehemently deny this basic proven Asian tiger approach and take cues from the stupid misguided license-Raj and PSU industrial moves Indians followed and are still following, much to their detriment.

• Indian approach of making everything from needles to ships DOES NOT WORK in Bangladesh. Our market is way too small to warrant some of these humongous and unwise industrial investments.
• We can only make what makes sense in terms of value addition. Clothing value addition is cheap and our labor value addition is the cheapest so far, even cheaper than Cambodia and way cheaper than India.
• India is a much larger country with much deeper pockets to absorb failed Public Sector Units. We can't.
• Look at the massive Indian PSU's that failed and landed on their lumbering faces recently,
  • HMT Ltd.
  • Tyre Corporation of India
  • Jessop Ltd.
  • Scooters India Lucknow
  • NEPA MILLS Ltd.
  • Triveni Structurals Ltd
  • Tungabhadra Steel Products Ltd.
  • Hindustan Cables

• India is large enough as a market that they can protect theirs from cheap imports with non-tarriff barriers if need be, we can't.

I will give everyone an example. Look at Scooters India.

They used to make Lambretta scooter copies, then they turned to making third rate Industrial three-wheelers, which no one bought. Too expensive and problems with parts availability. More expensive than Bajaj products and way worse in quality compared to Vespa industrial three-wheelers for retail delivery use. As long as India was a closed market, they could force Indian consumers to buy their crap, but when India opened up, their end was just a matter of time. I don't know if they are still running with govt. subsidies. I doubt it. Look at the conditions of this dump in spite of dozens of crores in investments...

ISO 9001 anyone?

Storage under open sky...

Bangladesh does not have the luxury to try and fail at this type of tomfoolery selling locally which can't compete with imports. Exactly what we should avoid doing.

We will export what we can make profitably and competitively to int'l markets, import what little quantity of anything we need at the cheapest cost, and only make locally when it makes economic sense...there is no Goddamn ego involved about 'we can make needles so we are world best' Bullsh*t.

Bangladesh has started deep level electronics manufacturing for cellphones because there is a viable large market locally and a NEED. So investments in component level manufacturing for cellphones were wisely made. Interestingly the rest of the subcontinent did not follow. Time will tell who is right.

No one in industrial countries I have been to, cares about any of this 'we can make this so mera desh mahaan' BS. The only people I see is some idiot uneducated Sanghis and their Bangladeshi 'chelas' jumping up and down about it as a basis for some idiotic 'superiority' - like it matters.

The only place it may matter in limited fashion is armaments and munitions which have embargoes and controls, so the Iranians for example are making their own copies of Chinese missiles and other platforms.

But if you are not a rogue state then who cares??

Excellent post.

 

[bluesky]

The subject of this thread is 'poverty to end by 2024' (in Bangladesh).

Please try to stay on topic...

We are talking about all your dreams. It is Muhith who repeated about 2041 in the news. We are staying on topic. Ask your BAL leaders to stop abusing their positions by talking future dreams without a current tangible achievement.

"Bangladesh is on course to maintain its present growth trajectory, and if everything goes right it will become a developed nation by 2041 and fulfill Bangabandhu's dream of turning Bangladesh into Sonar Bangla (Golden Bengal), he said".

 

[24 Hours]

We are talking about all your dreams. It is Muhith who repeated about 2041 in the news. We are staying on topic. Ask your BAL leaders to stop abusing their positions by talking future dreams without a current tangible achievement.

"Bangladesh is on course to maintain its present growth trajectory, and if everything goes right it will become a developed nation by 2041 and fulfill Bangabandhu's dream of turning Bangladesh into Sonar Bangla (Golden Bengal), he said".

While I agree 2041 seems to early for BD to be developed the end of poverty by 2024 is a far more reasonable and realistic goal. The fact that it's not too far away makes it more believable. It's like the weather the earlier information will be more accurate but as predictions start to fault as you go further downward.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

We are talking about all your dreams. It is Muhith who repeated about 2041 in the news. We are staying on topic. Ask your BAL leaders to stop abusing their positions by talking future dreams without a current tangible achievement.

"Bangladesh is on course to maintain its present growth trajectory, and if everything goes right it will become a developed nation by 2041 and fulfill Bangabandhu's dream of turning Bangladesh into Sonar Bangla (Golden Bengal), he said".

You should return to Bangladesh and lynch Muhith publicly for saying these things.

 

[bluesky]

You should return to Bangladesh and lynch Muhith publicly for saying these things.

I do not have to lynch Muhith because he was only trying to make Hasina happy.