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kalu_miah

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I have come to this forum for several years. I have expressed my opinions and exchanged views with many. In the process I got somewhat carried away and started taking sides in our country politics. At times, I said many unkind words and took part in partisan bickering. Later I have come to regret some of my words and expressed opinions.

We have seen an Army take over a few years ago in 2007. We saw minus 2 formula then, which did not work. Sheikh Hasina came to power after the Army rule in an election in 2009. Then we saw a lot of changes. Lately there was an election in 2014 in which BNP/Jamat did not participate. We saw a lot of political disturbance since then, but things have quieted down now.

We saw that BNP/Jamat have pretty much lost its street power due to continued onslaught by the country's law enforcement agencies on their activists. We also saw how India has played a supportive role for AL to keep this party in power.

I open this thread to discuss with fellow forum members about future of Bangladesh politics, specially about the role of opposition political parties. I have some ideas of my own. I would like to share these ideas, hear ideas from others and open a discussion about the future.

The first idea I would like to discuss is the defeat of Khaleda Zia and how it may affect the future politics of Bangladesh. Since 1991, we have seen that both Khaleda and Hasina have been kind of evenly matched in their political muscle. The result have been parties led by them alternately being elected. But since this latest election, for the first time, Hasina has been in power for two consecutive terms. So this means that we are now at a new phase.

Although since 1991, we officially had democracy (we still do, officially), but all of us know that politics in Bangladesh have never really been fully democratic. Both major poltical parties are run by political dynastic families. These parties themselves have never been democratic in their internal affairs. And every time a party goes to power, they essentially operate like authoritarian dictators and start working to undermine their opponents as much as possible.

That said, since 1991 till a few years ago, the opposing parties did not cross some unwritten boundaries and had a mutual understanding not to cross these boundaries. In last 2 years, these boundaries I believe were done away with and the old rules were no longer followed. There could be many reasons for this. Ever since the killing of Sheikh Mujib in 1975, Indian influence in Bangladesh politics was not very significant. I believe what changed recently was that India became confident enough about its influence within Bangladesh to openly back AL and gave them a signal to break free from the earlier cycle. May be it took all these years for India to work and rebuild its influence within Bangladesh to reach this point.

In this new phase, starting with the latest election, with Indian help and support, AL led by Hasina have taken over reigns of power in Bangladesh. I believe we no longer have even the "imperfect democracy" we used to have earlier. I think many of us could not recognize this new phase at first and were shocked to see the new reality. But now that we know the new reality, how can we adjust and make the best of it, for the future of Bangladesh and its 160 million people? I would like to make the following observations and proposals:

1. Khaleda Zia and her son Tareq Zia are pretty much finished in Bangladesh politics for the foreseeable future

2. The political polarization of Bangladeshi population into two opposing camps have helped outsiders to gain influence and make infiltration and inroad into our country

3. Hasina and her son Joy are the new unofficial dynastic rulers of Bangladesh and they will remain in power for the foreseeable future

4. Bangladeshi people must become used to the above facts on the ground and consider that uniting under one leader and party will eventually make that leader more effective, make them less worried about opposition from within the country and thus give them greater freedom not to depend on outside powers as much

So with this train of thought, I would like to propose that, for the sake of greater national interest, the opposition party workers and activists should switch their loyalty to Hasina led AL and thus make political disturbance a thing of the past for Bangladesh. Sure we may not have democracy for now and for the foreseeable future, but having democracy is not the be all and end all specially for an underdeveloped poor country like Bangladesh. Without political disturbance the country can achieve growth more quickly and easily. One party system worked wonders for development in many Asian Tiger economies and in China.

About India, since India and AL are very close, this means that Bangladesh relations with India will remain strong for the foreseeable future and this may not be a bad thing for Bangladesh. This could be a opportunity to resolve all outstanding issues with our closest neighbor nation and thus make this relationship work for Bangladeshi economy and people.

Considering the prevailing global situation, this is also the time to take stock of Islamic militancy and extremism problem within our Muslim population. We need to make a comprehensive study of all Islamic organizations within Bangladesh to see the ideas and ideologies that has made inroads within Bangladesh. Traditionally 99.9% of our Muslim population belong to the tolerant Hanafi Sunni sect. We need to find out the extent of spread of Wahhabism, Salafism as well as political Islam or Islamism. All of these are intimately tied with extremism and terrorism. Only through careful study we will be able to find the extent of infiltration of these ideas and then we will be able to take counter measures to stop the spread and eventually remove these toxic and deviant ideas from our Muslim population.
 
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I have come to this forum for several years. I have expressed my opinions and exchanged views with many. In the process I got somewhat carried away and started taking sides in our country politics. At times, I said many unkind words and took part in partisan bickering. Later I have come to regret some of my words and expressed opinions.

We have seen an Army take over a few years ago in 2007. We saw minus 2 formula then, which did not work. Sheikh Hasina came to power after the Army rule in an election in 2009. Then we saw a lot of changes. Lately there was an election in 2014 in which BNP/Jamat did not participate. We saw a lot of political disturbance since then, but things have quieted down now.

We saw that BNP/Jamat have pretty much lost its street power due to continued onslaught by the country's law enforcement agencies on their activists. We also saw how India has played a supportive role for AL to keep this party in power.

I open this thread to discuss with fellow forum members about future of Bangladesh politics, specially about the role of opposition political parties. I have some ideas of my own. I would like to share these ideas, hear ideas from others and open a discussion about the future.

The first idea I would like to discuss is the defeat of Khaleda Zia and how it may affect the future politics of Bangladesh. Since 1991, we have seen that both Khaleda and Hasina have been kind of evenly matched in their political muscle. The result have been parties led by them alternately being elected. But since this latest election, for the first time, Hasina has been in power for two consecutive terms. So this means that we are now at a new phase.

Although since 1991, we officially had democracy (we still do, officially), but all of us know that politics in Bangladesh have never really been fully democratic. Both major poltical parties are run by political dynastic families. These parties themselves have never been democratic in their internal affairs. And every time a party goes to power, they essentially operate like authoritarian dictators and start working to undermine their opponents as much as possible.

That said, since 1991 till a few years ago, the opposing parties did not cross some unwritten boundaries and had a mutual understanding not to cross these boundaries. In last 2 years, these boundaries I believe were done away with and the old rules were no longer followed. There could be many reasons for this. Ever since the killing of Sheikh Mujib in 1975, Indian influence in Bangladesh politics was not very significant. I believe what changed recently was that India became confident enough about its influence within Bangladesh to openly back AL and gave them a signal to break free from the earlier cycle. May be it took all these years for India to work and rebuild its influence within Bangladesh to reach this point.

In this new phase, starting with the latest election, with Indian help and support, AL led by Hasina have taken over reigns of power in Bangladesh. I believe we no longer have even the "imperfect democracy" we used to have earlier. I think many of us could not recognize this new phase at first and were shocked to see the new reality. But now that we know the new reality, how can we adjust and make the best of it, for the future of Bangladesh and its 160 million people? I would like to make the following observations and proposals:

1. Khaleda Zia and her son Tareq Zia are pretty much finished in Bangladesh politics for the foreseeable future

2. The political polarization of Bangladeshi population into two opposing camps have helped outsiders to gain influence and make infiltration and inroad into our country

3. Hasina and her son Joy are the new unofficial dynastic rulers of Bangladesh and they will remain in power for the foreseeable future

4. Bangladeshi people must become used to the above facts on the ground and consider that uniting under one leader and party will eventually make that leader more effective, make them less worried about opposition from within the country and thus give them greater freedom not to depend on outside powers as much

So with this train of thought, I would like to propose that, for the sake of greater national interest, the opposition party workers and activists should switch their loyalty to Hasina led AL and thus make political disturbance a thing of the past for Bangladesh. Sure we may not have democracy for now and for the foreseeable future, but having democracy is not the be all and end all specially for an underdeveloped poor country like Bangladesh. Without political disturbance the country can achieve growth more quickly and easily. One party system worked wonders for development in many Asian Tiger economies and in China.

About India, since India and AL are very close, this means that Bangladesh relations with India will remain strong for the foreseeable future and this may not be a bad thing for Bangladesh. This could be a opportunity to resolve all outstanding issues with our closest neighbor nation and thus make this relationship work for Bangladeshi economy and people.

Considering the prevailing global situation, this is also the time to take stock of Islamic militancy and extremism problem within our Muslim population. We need to make a comprehensive study of all Islamic organizations within Bangladesh to see the ideas and ideologies that has made inroads within Bangladesh. Traditionally 99.9% of our Muslim population belong to the tolerant Hanafi Sunni sect. We need to find out the extent of spread of Wahhabism, Salafism as well as political Islam or Islamism. All of these are intimately tied with extremism and terrorism. Only through careful study we will be able to find the extent of infiltration of these ideas and then we will b our e able to take counter measures to stop the spread and eventually remove these toxic and deviant ideas from our Muslim population.

@ " Are @kalu miah ye tum ne kia kaha ". I think, you have a very shallow knowledge about world political history. Had anybody thought off about the fall of USSR ? Had any one thought about the fall of Berlin Wall ? Nobody can change the human behavior and attitude, it had been coming in the same manner from centuries together. An individual like you make compromise but it hardly matters in a society.

@ Society is changing, government is falling and another group is coming in power, it is a continuous affairs. Once people thought that there is no political Party other than Congress who can rule India but see ! During our times we thought that Ayub's government was the best and no political party could change or over threw it but suddenly, it changed. You have not seen the drum bit of decades of development of Field Marshal Ayub Khan in 1968 but then what ????? Once Bhuto was in power, ask the Pakistani officer, what the people thought ? Once, you fall in love with "Sokhina", could you ever dreamed that the relation will be cut or she would betray you ? But in practice, reality is different.
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@ You have to see, what policy present govt is following ? Depending on India and Russia without people's support ? For how long ? About future, nobody can predict however, we can foresee and again most of the time this does not come to truth.
 
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The key is to learn ( by process) how to govern together, and not by empowering one powerful party to be a super dominant one.

China model will not work in Bangladesh with that kind of family party, China has much more fair system to elect their leader and of course we know their system as almost all of us here are quite knowledgeable people.

The key to success for Bangladesh, from my point of view, is to learn how to make power sharing around their leaders and improve maturity among Bangladeshi people about how modern democracy works so that the system can run without too much fighting among the actors thus bring stability that is needed for their economic growth.

Democracy needs time, people needs to be both patience and active in their democracy.
 
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@ " Are @kalu miah ye tum ne kia kaha ". I think, you have a very shallow knowledge about world political history. Had anybody thought off about the fall of USSR ? Had any one thought about the fall of Berlin Wall ? Nobody can change the human behavior and attitude, it had been coming in the same manner from centuries together. An individual like you make compromise but it hardly matters in a society.

@ Society is changing, government is falling and another group is coming in power, it is a continuous affairs. Once people thought that there is no political Party other than Congress who can rule India but see ! During our times we thought that Ayub's government was the best and no political party could change or over threw it but suddenly, it changed. You have not seen the drum bit of decades of development of Field Marshal Ayub Khan in 1968 but then what ????? Once Bhuto was in power, ask the Pakistani officer, what the people thought ? Once, you fall in love with "Sokhina", could you ever dreamed that the relation will be cut or she would betray you ? But in practice, reality is different.
people's

@ You have to see, what policy present govt is following ? Depending on India and Russia without people's support ? For how long ? About future, nobody can predict however, we can foresee and again most of the time this does not come to truth.

I think you missed the key point I am trying to make. KZ and her sons lost due to their own wrong strategies and misdeeds. Rightly or wrongly Sheikh Hasina has won. But the main point is if we continue to be divided as a nation, we make it easier for others to play divide and rule. So logically my approach is to unite the nation under the winning leader to reduce outside influence, which will help our country develop faster and gain more and more independence from undue outside interference and influence. When the future situation changes we will deal with it then. But the most important thing now is national unity, economy, development and growth which will reduce our leaders' and nation's dependence on others and help us stand on our own feet. We have to be flexible, pragmatic and be able to adapt to new situations when they arise.

The key is to learn ( by process) how to govern together, and not by empowering one powerful party to be a super dominant one.

China model will not work in Bangladesh with that kind of family party, China has much more fair system to elect their leader and of course we know their system as almost all of us here are quite knowledgeable people.

The key to success for Bangladesh, from my point of view, is to learn how to make power sharing around their leaders and improve maturity among Bangladeshi people about how modern democracy works so that the system can run without too much fighting among the actors thus bring stability that is needed for their economic growth.

Democracy needs time, people needs to be both patience and active in their democracy.

Thanks for your kind input bro. I appreciate your thoughts. Indeed democracy takes time to develop. I am hoping that our country will continue its movement towards democratic systems, but hopefully it will not involve conflicts and fighting that hampers economic growth. Our people need development and economic growth much more now so that in the future we can have a more perfect democracy.
 
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Seems like Tareq Zia will be prime minister of Bangladesh one day. I don't know what will happen to Bangladesh then. Banglastan is likely. :undecided:

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Seems like Tareq Zia will be prime minister of Bangladesh one day. I don't know what will happen to Bangladesh then. Banglastan is likely. :undecided:

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Seems very unlikely, but what is the basis for such a prediction?
 
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Muslim young leaders must see Spain politics which is able to have two fresh leader under 38 years old

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Pablo Manuel Iglesias Turrión (Spanish pronunciation: [ˈpaβlo iˈɣlesjas tuˈrjon]; born 17 October 1978) is a Spanish politician who has been the Secretary-General of Podemos since 2014.

Before then, he was a lecturer in political science at the Complutense University of Madrid. He was elected to the European Parliament in the 2014 elections as the leading candidate of the newly formed party Podemos, along with four other members of his party. He hosts the internet programs La Tuerka and Fort Apache, and frequently appears in Spanish political TV shows.

Pablo Iglesias Turrión - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Albert Rivera Díaz (born 15 November 1979) is a Spanish lawyer and politician, who has been the leader of Citizens since July 2006. He is a former member of the Parliament of Catalonia.


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Albert Rivera - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Muslim young leaders must see Spain politics which is able to have two fresh leader under 38 years old

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Pablo Manuel Iglesias Turrión (Spanish pronunciation: [ˈpaβlo iˈɣlesjas tuˈrjon]; born 17 October 1978) is a Spanish politician who has been the Secretary-General of Podemos since 2014.

Before then, he was a lecturer in political science at the Complutense University of Madrid. He was elected to the European Parliament in the 2014 elections as the leading candidate of the newly formed party Podemos, along with four other members of his party. He hosts the internet programs La Tuerka and Fort Apache, and frequently appears in Spanish political TV shows.

Pablo Iglesias Turrión - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Albert Rivera Díaz (born 15 November 1979) is a Spanish lawyer and politician, who has been the leader of Citizens since July 2006. He is a former member of the Parliament of Catalonia.


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Albert Rivera - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Europe is more politically advanced than USA. Podemos advancing in this latest election was a great development. But for Bangladesh these kind of situations are far in the future unfortunately. May be someday we will have democracy like that, it does not hurt to dream for a better future.
 
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Seems very unlikely, but what is the basis for such a prediction?

After Hasina there is no one to lead Awami League but after Khaleda there is Tarek.

I think post Hasina-Khaleda era there will be huge anarchy in Bangladesh. Military invasion or Indian invasion is likely if Tarek Zia doesn't become prime minister but he will turn Bangladesh into Banglastan. :cray:
 
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After Hasina there is no one to lead Awami League but after Khaleda there is Tarek.

I think post Hasina-Khaleda era there will be huge anarchy in Bangladesh. Military invasion or Indian invasion is likely if Tarek Zia doesn't become prime minister but he will turn Bangladesh into Banglastan. :cray:

Its likely that tide will turn toward Sheikh Rehana's lineage. Radwan Mujib Siddiq can take over in future. Notably his sister Tulip Siddiq made her road in UK parliament by her own.


Look who is beside Hasina and Modi

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About India, since India and AL are very close, this means that Bangladesh relations with India will remain strong for the foreseeable future and this may not be a bad thing for Bangladesh. This could be a opportunity to resolve all outstanding issues with our closest neighbor nation and thus make this relationship work for Bangladeshi economy and people.

Bangladesh should join ASEAN+Japan+Korea as per expert opinion.

kalu_miah's new world order, a road map for the future

Indian jedi mind-tricks cannot change the destiny of a 160 million strong nation.
 
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I think you missed the key point I am trying to make. KZ and her sons lost due to their own wrong strategies and misdeeds. Rightly or wrongly Sheikh Hasina has won. But the main point is if we continue to be divided as a nation, we make it easier for others to play divide and rule. So logically my approach is to unite the nation under the winning leader to reduce outside influence, which will help our country develop faster and gain more and more independence from undue outside interference and influence. When the future situation changes we will deal with it then. But the most important thing now is national unity, economy, development and growth which will reduce our leaders' and nation's dependence on others and help us stand on our own feet. We have to be flexible, pragmatic and be able to adapt to new situations when they arise.

@kallu-miah you are a kid and will remain so in political affairs. See, how innocent you are and your ideology ? A nation like Bangladesh will never unite as a whole. People says we a homogeneous nation but it is me who differ ! We are a heterogeneous nation having a bloods from many nations. We were never united, we are not united and we will remain divided till the last.

@ The very basis thing that we are Bengali is controversial. Majority of us in the true sense are not Bengali. You just look 200 hundred years back, people used to identify themselves as Syed, Afghani, Turkey, Persian, Abyssinian etc. Bengali was their "Kutho Bhasa". In the "Endar Mahal", they used read, "Arbi, Fersi and Urdu".

@ To be a true leader and lead a nation, there should be proper election. You cannot be a artificial leader. " chup chup ke leader nahi ho sakta hai ". Each and every moment you are afraid of Muslim oriented political parties and you want to lead this nation, my foot! " dube moro hatu jal pani te".
 
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The political system in Bangladesh has already become monopolistic partyarchy to a great extent and we are indeed moving towards a dominant party system. Honesty, no matter how much one hates her but Sheikh Hasina is indeed a very able leader and under her leadership, I believe, things won't go that wrong. And you are perhaps right, there would be a time when the government would feel that they no longer have to depend on external forces to stay on power. But the main concern here is the people in line to take on the power after Hasina.

Sheikh Hasina is already approaching her seventy; I'm not sure how much her health would permit her to work in future. And, as it looks, the persons who may take on after her, are far from being efficient. With so much authority, an inefficient leader is no less than a catastrophe to any nation. This is where democracy is required. A strong opposition and independent media won't let any government to go reckless.

The next 20 years are very much crucial for us, in the context of everything. We are a funny nation, it's really hard to predict what may happen in future...
 
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