Possible Russian S-400 sale to India and Pakistan's Response.

[Super Falcon]

PAF has anti radiation missile arm , how effective and tactics employed against s400? @Oscar ?

S400 is made to counter any type of anti radiation anti Sam missiles S 400 Triumph is currently the top notch airdefence system

 

[wiseone2]

thats for south korea.

Mtcr guidelines applies for

thats for south korea.

MTCR limits are only for exports not for internal use of member states

 

[Ultima Thule]

S400 is made to counter any type of anti radiation anti Sam missiles S 400 Triumph is currently the top notch airdefence system

sir it is a basically anti ballistic missile shield with a secondary capability of intercepting fighter jets and cruise missile

 

[Basel]

@Windjammer @Horus @waz @Oscar @Irfan Baloch @Indus Falcon @MastanKhan

As one Indian member said in some thread on PDF that "Pakistan should look to lower the nuclear threshold to counter latest Indian defence purchases" so I look into it and got a possible solution in history of doing it.

That is SAM with nuclear warhead, US had developed and deployed such SAMs in past so it is possible with current advance tech to develop much better SAM with better nuclear warhead to counter large more powerful air force and heavy standoff munition attacks.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-14_Nike_Hercules

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIM-10_Bomarc


Please share your opinion about it.

there no response for pakistan yet, the hq-9 series is ok, but i heard the eurosam consortium may be offering a solution.
hence the army chief was looking at italian sam's whilst on his visit to italy. it's a ground based aster 30 variant

Pakistan should go for latest version of Aster15/30 for all three services along with HQ-9 because if one system fails other deliver positive results.

 

[Super Falcon]

sir it is a basically anti ballistic missile shield with a secondary capability of intercepting fighter jets and cruise missile

So what bhai it is still a potent airdefence capable to take on F 22 Also it has no secondary capabilities it destroys in air whatever comes in its range

 

[Mrc]

s 400 is a great system... very difficult to counter. but its a man made system and can be countered...
pak just needs to think harder and be more innovative...

 

[Oldman1]

US trident ICBMs on British submarines,

MTCR didn't exist at the time. And the U.S. already agreed to give the Trident missiles to the British before signing the MTCR.

 

[Photon]

MTCR didn't exist at the time. And the U.S. already agreed to give the Trident missiles to the British before signing the MTCR.

Tomahawk is another example, regardless, MTCR allows its signatories to trade with each other in UAVs more than 300 Km range and 500 Kg payload.

 

[CriticalThought]

Tomahawk is another example, regardless, MTCR allows its signatories to trade with each other in UAVs more than 300 Km range and 500 Kg payload.

The MTCR doesn't restrict a country from exporting a certain radar system below the specified ranges. If the receiving country then silently changes some configurations and increases the range, no one can do anything about it.

 

[CriticalThought]

The following position is the biggest folly in the world. We MUST remain in a position where we can launch a High Altitude Nuclear Explosion in order to counter India's advanced systems such as S-400. As a matter of fact, the very start of a nuclear exchange should be with such an explosion to take out as many electrically powered systems as possible. It is in India's best interests to readily agree to non-proliferation in space, and then start installing systems like S-400 along the border with Pakistan. I hope someone can knock some sense into our policymakers' heads.

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Pakistan pushes for efforts to prevent weaponisation of outer space at UN
APP — Published about an hour ago
Pakistan's permanent representative to the United Nations (UN) in Geneva Ambassador Tehmina Janjua has called for steps to prevent the weaponisation of outer-space, saying it would adversely affect regional and international peace and security.

"Weaponisation of outer space is not science fiction anymore," Janjua told the UN General Assembly's Disarmament and International Security Committee on Wednesday.

"With the ever growing use of outer space by an increasing number of states, both for civilian and military purposes, the potential and the risk of its weaponisation cannot be ruled out," she said during a debate on Outer Space matters.

“Weapons in space would lead to instability, and negatively affect international and regional peace and security," the envoy added.

The 1967 Outer Space Treaty prohibited the placement of nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction (WMDs) in outer space, she said, while pointing out that it does not cover the placement of other types of weapons including conventional weapons.

Concerned about the negative implications of the development and deployment of anti-ballistic missile defence systems and the pursuit of related advanced military technologies, Ambassador Janjua said those weapons were destabilising and could have wide reaching implications for regional and international security.

"The effects of the introduction of such systems can be destabilising for sensitive regions like South Asia," the envoy said, adding that all those concerns needed to be addressed in a legally binding treaty.

It was essential to redouble efforts toward an agreement that addresses the development, deployment and proliferation of such systems, she said, noting that Pakistan was the co-sponsor of two draft resolutions on the prevention of an arms race in outer space and on no-first-placement of arms in outer space.

The envoy pointed out that space was no longer considered an exclusive preserve of a few developed states.

"Today developing countries, including my country, are tapping into space technology in diverse areas ranging from meteorology and disaster management to economy and telecommunications," she said, adding, "Their reliance on space technology will grow further in the years to come."

"The dominance enjoyed by certain countries in outer space owing to their current technological prowess, therefore, cannot last forever," Ambassador Janjua said.

"And this time," she added, "the developing countries will neither carry the burden of non-proliferation, nor will they accept any discriminatory restrictions which hamper their peaceful pursuits in outer space."

http://www.dawn.com/news/1291138/pa...to-prevent-weaponisation-of-outer-space-at-un

 

[Mrc]

for sure pak needs to up the game.... up graded mirages and f 7p is not going to cut it any more

 

[ravi gupta]

s 400 is a great system... very difficult to counter. but its a man made system and can be countered...
pak just needs to think harder and be more innovative...

Definately it can be countered and some countermeasure will come in future.
However it may be very costly.

 

[Asian.Century]

India, Russia to Press Ahead With S-400 Deal Despite Threat of US Sanctions
India’s defense minister reiterated New Delhi’s determination to go ahead with procuring the Russian-made missile air defense system.

India will press ahead with the procurement of five regiments of Russian-made S-400 Triumf advanced Air Defense Systems (NATO reporting name: SA-21 Growler) intended for service in the Indian military notwithstanding U.S. sanctions, Indian Defense Minister Nirmala Sitharaman said at a recent press conference.

Speaking to the press on June 5, the defense minister emphasized the close defense ties between India and Russia. “In all our engagements with the U.S., we have clearly explained how India and Russia’s defense cooperation has been going on for a long time and that it is a time-tested relationship,” Sitharaman said. “We have mentioned that CAATSA cannot impact the India-Russia defense cooperation.”

The United States passed the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA) against Russia in August 2017 for reportedly influencing and manipulating the 2016 presidential election process. Core provisions of the CAATSA, including sanctions on Russian business entities and senior Russian political and business figures, came into effect in January 2018.

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The Indian defense minister is expected to raise the issue of sanctions under CAATSA, which could kick in on any Indo-Russian defense procurement deal above $15 million, at the upcoming 2+2 talks between the Indian and U.S. defense and foreign ministers scheduled for this month in Washington DC.

The imposition of sanctions by the United States on India is seen as highly unlikely. Nonetheless, India’s decision to move ahead with the S-400 acquisition could impact future U.S.-India defense deals, including the possible procurement of armed U.S.-made Predator drones or the establishment of joint aircraft production facilities.

India and Russia reportedly concluded price negotiations last month. The signing of the final contract is purportedly expected during a summit meeting between Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Russian President Vladimir Putin scheduled for October 2018. New Delhi and Moscow concluded an inter-governmental agreement for the purchase of the S-400s already in 2016 (See: “India and Russia Ink S-400 Missile Air Defense System Deal”).

The total contract value is estimated at around $5.5 billion for five regiments. “The standard S-400 battery consists of four transporter erector launchers (TELs), four launch tubes per TEL, in addition to target acquisition and engagement (fire control) radar systems and a command post. (With an additional fire control radar system, a battery can consist of up to 12 TELs.),” I explained elsewhere. “Two batteries make up a S-400 battalion (also known as a S-400 division), whereas a S-400 regiment consists of two battalions.”

Neither Indian nor Russian officials have so far publicly commented on what type of surface-to-air missiles will be delivered to the Indian military under the deal.