Possibility of further Russian Tech in JF17

[Fahad Khan 2]

SD-10A cuts as good as AMRAAM. Russians bully too much. They just gave tyre production to India for MKIs, only this year. Until now IAF needed to air lift its AL-31s for servicing all the way to Russia.

A big no thank you to all things Russian in JFT. We need to develop it into a potent 4.5 gen platform in the future along with our Chinese partners.

R-77 is not IR guided missile so can't be compared with missile's like IRIS-T, R-73 falls in that category, also basic R-77 is not as advance as AMRAAM C-5s, but PAF can look into R-77 (RVV-SD or PD) if available and if they are better then other available options.

Do you guys think there is any other tested BVR which we can use with greater range because SD-10 is not a proven platform???

 

[Jungibaaz]

Do you guys think there is any other tested BVR which we can use with greater range because SD-10 is not a proven platform???

No need for one yet. The PAF has shown it's confidence in the SD-10, even after surveying both the C-5 AMRAAM and the current version of the SD-10. The Chinese will keep developing it too.

 

[Basel]

Do you guys think there is any other tested BVR which we can use with greater range because SD-10 is not a proven platform???

I don't think SD-10 is not good, but PAF must have multiple BVR options available because if enemy can jam one type of BVR then we can put other on use during any air war.

Multiple type of BVR will have different type of radar homing seeker so not easy for enemy to block / jam all of them, if we use only one type on JF-17 and IAF somehow jam them then JF-17s will be sitting ducks in air war.

 

[Fahad Khan 2]

No need for one yet. The PAF has shown it's confidence in the SD-10, even after surveying both the C-5 AMRAAM and the current version of the SD-10. The Chinese will keep developing it too.

Can we use American AIM-120 which has range up to 180 km on JF-17 if not why is it because of any technical reason or any string attach by USA to not use it on JF-17 platform?

 

[Basel]

for those who think that JF-17 must not be updated to 4.5 gen fighter because it is not a front line fighter then they should look what will be the future of IAF? in coming years their workhorse LCA will be 4.5 gen fighter so JF-17 needs to be updated upto 4.5 gen batch wise with hi-lo mix.

Can we use American AIM-120 which has range up to 180 km on JF-17 if not why is it because of any technical reason or any string attach by USA to not use it on JF-17 platform?

US & Chinese are different tech and are not compatible until both allow us to do it.

 

[Jungibaaz]

Can we use American AIM-120 which has range up to 180 km on JF-17 if not why is it because of any technical reason or any string attach by USA to not use it on JF-17 platform?

No, we can't pair the AMRAAM on the JF-17 like we could with an AIM-9 fairly easily, nor would we be allowed to.
It's possible but it won't happen and please check that range for the AMRAAM, we have C-5 not C-7/D

 

[Fahad Khan 2]

I don't think SD-10 is not good, but PAF must have multiple BVR options available because if enemy can jam one type of BVR then we can put other on use during any air war.

Multiple type of BVR will have different type of radar homing seeker so not easy for enemy to block / jam all of them, if we use only one type on JF-17 and IAF somehow jam them then JF-17s will be sitting ducks in air war.

To make better use of BVR we also need to increase range of KLJ-7 radar our radar should have range same had mki because there are 200 mki in IAF force and F-16 cannot counter whole 200 fleet of mki... So we need upgraded radar with better range and better BVR to compete with opponent which is superior from us in numbers....

 

[Basel]

To make better use of BVR we also need to increase range of KLJ-7 radar our radar should have range same had mki because there are 200 mki in IAF force and F-16 cannot counter whole 200 fleet of mki... So we need upgraded radar with better range and better BVR to compete with opponent which is superior from us in numbers....

Your concern is right, but JF-17 can't accommodate a huge radar due to size of its nose cone, but our AWACS and ground based radars will pick MKI from long distance, PAF is a professional force and they know their pros & cons they must have devised strategy to counter that problem, only thing which concern me is the capability of KLJ radar against advance jamming which IAF have, their AWACS can jam radars or fool them.

 

[Fahad Khan 2]

for those who think that JF-17 must not be updated to 4.5 gen fighter because it is not a front line fighter then they should look what will be the future of IAF? in coming years their workhorse LCA will be 4.5 gen fighter so JF-17 needs to be updated upto 4.5 gen batch wise with hi-lo mix.



US & Chinese are different tech and are not compatible until both allow us to do it.

We need to take into account the Rafael purchase also but I think with caterpillar speed the Indians work it will not give them advantage for long has already PAF is thinking for 5th generation....

 

[Basel]

In case of any future sanction imposed on Pakistan by US PAF may be hit hard like before so to avoid that PAF must have HI-LO mix of JF-17s, some JF-17s must be more advanced then our F-16s so sanctions can't effect our front line force and we also don't have to induct another plane as backup of F-16s.

 

[Fahad Khan 2]

How many AWACS we have??? How many AWACS we lost in Mehran base attack???

 

[Basel]

How many AWACS we have??? How many AWACS we lost in Mehran base attack???

that is a good question, but another question which need to be addressed is that, can our AWACS handle the overwhelming jamming capacity of IAF as their AWACS (Israeli ones) are pretty good in jamming, their fighters are also equipped with different type of ECM/ECCM systems, any future air war will be very intense in terms of electronic warfare and the winner may also win the war.

 

[Fahad Khan 2]

that is a go estion, but another question which need to be addressed is that, can our AWACS handle the overwhelming jamming capacity of IAF as their AWACS (Israeli ones) are pretty good in jamming, their fighters are also equipped with different type of ECM/ECCM systems, any future air war will be very intense in terms of electronic warfare and the winner may also win the war.

My mind just pop out a idea of putting hard points under AWACS and put long range BVR under it because its wings are long and hard and may be hard points can be made.. Is this good idea????

Yes Israel AWACS has I have heard are very good in jamming may be we need to reactive our AWACS thread on PDF.... So we can get answers from senior PDF members....

 

[Basel]

My mind just pop out a idea of putting hard points under AWACS and put long range BVR under it because its wings are long and hard and may be hard points can be made.. Is this good idea????

I have also thought the same but bit different in terms of missiles, in my opinion two box of 5th gen missiles like ASRAAM (because of LOAL & LOBL capabilities) will be great for defending AWACS specially from incoming missiles, reason for box is that it will help to reduce RCS like the pod in F-18s and will accommodate more missiles like 4 to 6 at least.

I think @gambit can put some light on that and explain what really is possible.

 

[Fahad Khan 2]

I have also thought the same but bit different in terms of missiles, in my opinion two box of 5th gen missiles like ASRAAM (because of LOAL & LOBL capabilities) will be great for defending AWACS specially from incoming missiles, reason for box is that it will help to reduce RCS like the pod in F-18s and will accommodate more missiles like 4 to 6 at least.

I think @gambit can put some light on that and explain what really is possible.

ASRAAM and long range BVR both because with that much detectable range it should also kill some bird and best defence is to attack first....