Population growth not slowing down

[bluesky]

No It was mogul when they faught with Arakanese and captured Cht. The chakma King submitted to the mogul with peace treaty which started that they will maintaon their identity and no bangali settlement will be allowed. British just follow thought. Pakistan did not nullify but gave special status to Cht and frontier province.

Yes, your statement is correct. Read the excerpt below about Mughal engagement with the Chakma after they were expelled from Arakan by a new King supported by the Bamars. Chakmas are rightfully our citizens and Bengali people have no right to settle there and bully them. A time will come when they will rebel against BD oppression.

Tribal people and their land in the CHT always had special privileges accorded to them since the time of Mughal Nawab Shayesta Khan that continued until Ziaur Rahman came to power. He domiciled Noakhailla people there (was it due to the insistence of Begum Khaleda, another Kyatta, who was from Begumganj?).

"The Arakan king Meng Rajagri (1593–1612) conquered these areas and addressed himself as the highest and most powerful king of Arakan, Chacomas and Bengal in a 1607 letter to a Portuguese merchant named Philip de Brito Nicote.[11] After the defeat by the Arakanese, the Chakmas migrated to the present Chittagong Hill Tracts and founded their capital city Alekyangdong (present-day Alikadam). From Alekyangdong, they continued north and settled in present-day Rangunia, Raozan, and Fatikchari Upazilas of Chittagong District".

"In 1666, Mughal Governor of Bengal Shaista Khan defeated the Arakanese, conquered the northern bank of Kaladan river, and renamed it Islamabad.[12]Mughal rule, however, was confined to the plain areas of Chittagong early on, leaving the Chakmas largely unaffected. The Mughals eventually demanded tribute from the Chakmas after a trade dispute developed between the two groups".[13]

"In 1713, the conflict was resolved and a stable relationship developed between the Chakmas and the Mughals; the latter never demanded complete subjugation from the former. The Mughals also rewarded the Chakma king Shukdev Roy; he established a new capital in his own name in an area still known as Shukbilash. Ruins of the royal palace and other historic buildings still exist. Subsequently, the capital was shifted to Rajanagar, Ranirhat, Rangunia Upazila, Chittagong District".

 

[VikingRaider]

I think @Atlas was talking about the population density of BD and not of the cities.

Yes right, I was actually talking about the population density of Bangladesh, and that is actually disturbing . If we can't slow it down, we will be in serious trouble.
No other management is enough, if we can't manage to control our population growth first. Govt should heavily focus on birth control IMHO. Perhaps we should take one child policy like China? What is your opinion?

 

[Mage]

Perhaps we should take one child policy like China?

No

 

[VikingRaider]

No

Why not?

 

[Mage]

Why not?

Let's not make a law limiting people's right to reproduction. Encourage small family. But do not make it a law.

Population density of Bangladesh is a lot. But that can be managed. Bangladesh has 1100 people/sqkm. Singapore have 8000/sqkm.
Population density is a problem in Dhaka and in cities near Dhaka and Chittagong. That's why people are crying for decentralization foe a long time. Build necessary infrastructures and decentralize so that people do not need to come to Dhaka from other areas. That will do.

 

[bluesky]

Yes right, I was actually talking about the population density of Bangladesh, and that is actually disturbing . If we can't slow it down, we will be in serious trouble.
No other management is enough, if we can't manage to control our population growth first. Govt should heavily focus on birth control IMHO. Perhaps we should take one child policy like China? What is your opinion?

The population growth will come down someday with urbanization, education and the family planning efforts. You will see then many people adopting a one-child policy without compulsion. However, as @Homo Sapiens said earlier, it will grow to 180 million to 200 million before the effect of lower growth takes effect.

All of the big Cities, many of the Zilla towns, Gonjes, Bazaars are crowded. But, the remote villages are not. Farmers do not find people to hire during the harvest. You feel too many people because the people's movements are slow due to a bad Dhaka City transportation system. This may gradually change once MetroRail starts operation. It will cause a very fast movement of people.

More to this, BD will need many young hands once industrialization starts. Many people may think otherwise, but with my experience to see a few developed countries in Asia and Europe, I can say not even 1% of industrialization, especially the high-value ones, has been done. It is now only the low-value textiles. So, I think the time is not ripe for one child policy.

 

[bluesky]

Are you stupid or what ? Why religion should come out with birth control formula ?

I thought it is Islam that encouraged the birth of many children out of four or more wives. It did not say, marry many, divorce one to marry another, repeat the process, but do not produce more than two children. Is not polygamy itself is a recipe for many children? Even a stupid like me understand this relationship between polygamy and many children, but not you. You are so fertile!!

Anyway, you are always changing your position all the time and it is not the first time.

 

[Black_cats]

I thought it is Islam that encouraged the birth of many children out of four or more wives. It did not say, marry many, divorce one to marry another, repeat the process, but do not produce more than two children. Is not polygamy itself is a recipe for many children? Even a stupid like me understand this relationship between polygamy and many children, but not you. You are so fertile!!

Anyway, you are always changing your position all the time and it is not the first time.

Go read story of the battle of ohud when the verse was revealed before uttering your nonsense.

 

[bluesky]

Go read story of the battle of ohud when the verse was revealed before uttering your nonsense.

Do you want to mean it was allowed to be super-polygamist and to take four or many more wives, but not allowed to take more than two children. I am surprised at your illogical conclusion. Be specific to answer this question instead of camouflaging inside the revelations.

In verses forbidding infanticide, the Qur'an warns Muslims, “Do not kill your children for fear of want." "We provide sustenance for them and for you” (6:151, 17:31).

This verse serves as a reminder that Allah takes care of its worshippers' needs and they should not hesitate to bring children into the world out of fear or for selfish reasons. No method of birth control is 100 percent effective and Allah is the Creator, and if Allah wants a couple to have a child, Muslims should accept it as his will.

Waiting for your no-nonsense response. Please, do not hesitate to give a proper answer, but not a personal attack. Do not you think Muslims like you are munafiqs against this clear instruction?

 

[Black_cats]

Do you want to mean it was allowed to be super-polygamist and to take four or many more wives, but not allowed to take more than two children. I am surprised at your illogical conclusion. Be specific to answer this question instead of camouflaging inside the revelations.

In verses forbidding infanticide, the Qur'an warns Muslims, “Do not kill your children for fear of want." "We provide sustenance for them and for you” (6:151, 17:31).

This verse serves as a reminder that Allah takes care of its worshippers' needs and they should not hesitate to bring children into the world out of fear or for selfish reasons. No method of birth control is 100 percent effective and Allah is the Creator, and if Allah wants a couple to have a child, Muslims should accept it as his will.

Waiting for your no-nonsense response. Please, do not hesitate to give a proper answer, but not a personal attack. Do not you think Muslims like you are munafiqs against this clear instruction?

Keep your twisting words to you. Polygamy was already practiced for millennium. Islam only permitted mainly to care of the needy woman who has no protection and way to survive. But one precondition was if you can do justice otherwise only one. Justice means providing financial support, physical and mental support and treating each wife equally.

Islam is always pro life and against killing of children due to poverty. So what’s wrong in it? Do you support killing of children?

I am really surprised if you are indeed Muslim how you are mixing up two completely unrelated verse with each other just to justify your twisted logic. If you are a Hindu I am surprised with your fallacy on Islam.

For your info the verse to Marry woman was revealed after battle of Ohud when many male members were killed and their wives were extremely poor and had no way to survive. It was to take care of them and other woman in the society.

 

[bluesky]

Keep your twisting words to you. Polygamy was already practiced for millennium. Islam only permitted mainly to care of the needy woman who has no protection and way to survive.

Bold part: Can you cite a reference to support your claim? Muslim men are fond of marrying not the widows but the unmarried virgin ones. Are these women destitute? You are twisting to suit yourself. Stop deforming the religion. A man can marry many willing women of his choice irrespective of she is needy or not.

By the way, who is there to judge whether a man likes one wife more than others? Some bad customs should have been reformed but it did not so happen because many men would not then embrace a new religion that prescribes only a single wife.

 

[TopCat]

Bold part: Can you cite a reference to support your claim? Muslim men are fond of marrying not the widows but the unmarried virgin ones. Are these women destitute? You are twisting to suit yourself. Stop deforming the religion. A man can marry many willing women of his choice irrespective of she is needy or not.

By the way, who is there to judge whether a man likes one wife more than others? Some bad customs should have been reformed but it did not so happen because many men would not then embrace a new religion that prescribes only a single wife.

Polygamy was widely practiced in Arab society still they could not multiply as many as the Indian or Chinese did. Arabs still one of the scarcely populated society if you take out the foreign workers. Its not the polygamy which makes high population growth rate but there are other factors. The highest population growth among all ethnicities was witnessed by the white Europeans without polygamy..

 

[Black_cats]

Bold part: Can you cite a reference to support your claim? Muslim men are fond of marrying not the widows but the unmarried virgin ones. Are these women destitute? You are twisting to suit yourself. Stop deforming the religion. A man can marry many willing women of his choice irrespective of she is needy or not.

By the way, who is there to judge whether a man likes one wife more than others? Some bad customs should have been reformed but it did not so happen because many men would not then embrace a new religion that prescribes only a single wife.

I am talking about Quran not what random muslim man does!!

Either you are completely ignorant about woman's condition in the past or even present and just trying to falsifying actual truth.

2nd Islam did not bring any polygamy as it was widely practiced throughout the world. Islam restricted and limit it to 1.

The wives are there to judge. They can file complaint to the court against husband in that case to persecute him.

 

[bluesky]

Polygamy was widely practiced in Arab society still they could not multiply as many as the Indian or Chinese did. Arabs still one of the scarcely populated society if you take out the foreign workers. Its not the polygamy which makes high population growth rate but there are other factors. The highest population growth among all ethnicities was witnessed by the white Europeans without polygamy..

Yes, polygamy was practiced everywhere. But it is only one religion that sanctioned this evil practice. It was probably to bring the Arab men to the Islamic fold. However, religion is supposed to rectify society and not to encourage vices instead of virtues.

However, your assumption that the European white population increased leaps and bounds cannot be supported by data. Read below:

"Estimates for historical population sizes of Europe (including Central Asia, listed under "former USSR") based on Maddison (2007),[3] in millions, with estimated percentage of world population":

"AD 1 ---------1000--------- 1500------- 1600--------- 1700------1820-----1913------- 2000
34 (15%)---------40 (15%)---------- 78 (18%)------- 112 (20%)-------- 127 (21%)--------- 224 (21%)---- 498 (28%)---- 742 (13%)"

When the entire white European population over the almost half the landmass of this Earth was only 742 million in 2000, only the BD Muslim population alone was more than 120 million at that time. A curse of Islam-sanctioned polygamy and taking tens of children that caused this.

 

[Black_cats]

Yes, polygamy was practiced everywhere. But it is only one religion that sanctioned this evil practice. It was probably to bring the Arab men to the Islamic fold. However, religion is supposed to rectify society and not to encourage vices instead of virtues.

However, your assumption that the European white population increased leaps and bounds cannot be supported by data. Read below:

"Estimates for historical population sizes of Europe (including Central Asia, listed under "former USSR") based on Maddison (2007),[3] in millions, with estimated percentage of world population":

"AD 1 ---------1000--------- 1500------- 1600--------- 1700------1820-----1913------- 2000
34 (15%)---------40 (15%)---------- 78 (18%)------- 112 (20%)-------- 127 (21%)--------- 224 (21%)---- 498 (28%)---- 742 (13%)"

When the entire white European population over the almost half the landmass of this Earth was only 742 million in 2000, only the BD Muslim population alone was more than 120 million at that time. A curse of Islam-sanctioned polygamy and taking tens of children that caused this.

How many wife Lord Krishna had? How many wives and concubines King David had? If you have no knowledge on religion please stop uttering your ignorance and nonsense.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy_in_Christianity

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy_in_India