Poll: Afghan support for Taliban steadily declining

[53fd]

I don't know why Pakistanis hate, hate speech against Taliban? doesn't it sound like a hurt father after seeing his son in difficulties? Lol@ those who believes 80% of Afghanistan is controlled by Taliban! I mean com'on it's been 4 years they are controlling 80% why aren't they go for the rest of 20%? Taliban control is as low as 10-15% all over Afghanistan but being citizens of Afghanistan their presence is all over Afghanistan not only 80% but 100%!!

Taliban after killing thousands innocents have lost people's support, they lost territories which they controlled during 2006-2009, they are now very week to fight ANA/ANP/NATO forces face to face, they are now using their only chance of survival which is a propaganda war and trying to control people's mind with their propaganda. During past 20 days (including Eid days) I have visited family and friends in east and south east Afghanistan situation was very calm I saw many check posts of ANP and ANA. May the haters and enemies of Afghanistan die and burn in hell, Ameen.

Pakistanis do not hate hate speech against the Taliban, quite the contrary. The Pakistani people dislike the Taliban for what they are doing in Pakistan as well. But what they hate is your slave mentality, & thinking everyone outside can solve your problems for you, rather than taking responsibility yourself to fix your own issues. The Afghan people think others have a magical wand & will solve all their problems for them. You let other nations with little real stakes use your country as proxy land. It was the US that created this mess in the 80s, & left the region without giving two f's. And now they are back again when it suits their needs, while violence in Afghanistan is increasing, is has not been more unsafe than what it is today, much worse than what it was in 2001. You guys need to man up & take care of your own situation, & you certainly aren't doing that. Please respond to my posts # 11 & 20.

 

[53fd]

And their presence generally evaporates when an ISAF patrol comes through.

"Having a presence" and "controlling/defending land" are two very different things.

I have a presence in my home town. Doesn't mean I rule the town.

Having a permanent presence like the Taliban has is different. The fact is that the NATO Forces are not able to can capture territory from militants, but cannot hold it shows they do not control it. In other words, whenever the US/NATO Forces vacate a region, the region falls right under the control of the Taliban. The NATO Forces are not able to hold & control land, they are only good enough to temporarily capture it. That's where the problem lies.

 

[Veeru]

Does anyone else see an agenda here?

What u want to say???

US even funds pakistan for that matter.

 

[53fd]

What u want to say???

US even funds pakistan for that matter.

US funds Pakistan my a$$. Pakistan was supposed to receive $1.5 billion (out of which, only $300 million has been for civilian aid) from the US annually, Pakistani citizens send $12 billion annually in the form of remittances. Pakistan's economy is the 27th largest in terms of PPP, & the GDP (nominal) is $211 billion. 'US funding' does not run Pakistan's economy.

 

[Sher Malang]

Pakistanis do not hate hate speech against the Taliban, quite the contrary. The Pakistani people dislike the Taliban for what they are doing in Pakistan as well. But what they hate is your slave mentality, & thinking everyone outside can solve your problems for you, rather than taking responsibility yourself to fix your own issues. The Afghan people think others have a magical wand & will solve all their problems for them. You let other nations with little real stakes use your country as proxy land. It was the US that created this mess in the 80s, & left the region without giving two f's. And now they are back again when it suits their needs, while violence in Afghanistan is increasing, is as not been more unsafe than what it is today, much worse than what it was in 2001. You guys need to man up & take care of your own situation, & you certainly aren't doing that. Please respond to my posts # 11 & 20.

Don't put your self to judge Afghan people about what they thinks or not, Afghans and Afghanistan is affected severely in these 3 decades of war and within a decade it's impossible to rehabilitate all the ruins of 3 decade war we are progressing steady with some very big challenges. I ask you who was partnered with US for creating this mess in 80s?

The problem is not how much support the Taliban, but how much support Karzai has. People not supporting the Taliban does not they support the Karzai regime. A lot of people are 'on the fence' like that. People might not have love, or support the Taliban, but they have grievances against the current regime. They might not support the Taliban, but might not act against them either, as they might see them as the lesser of the two evils.

I must tell you as much as people hate Karzai they love him that much as well, people are now acknowledged that Taliban are not local revolutionaries but they are trained and aided by outsiders they will act against them once they completely satisfied that Taliban are ruining their lives by the name of Islam we were even witness of some incidents this year people stoning to death some Talib commanders, interesting is that they were stoned by their own Pashtun people not by any Tajik/Hazara or Uzbek.

No, but there is a difference between having a temporary presence, & permanent presence in a region. For example: the Taliban have a permanent presence in about 80% of Afghanistan. There is two stages in determining this: occupying it, & being able to hold onto a region. While the US/NATO troops have been successful in temporarily driving away insurgents, they have failed to hold onto the regions once it vacates. Whenever the troops vacate most regions, they get occupied by the Taliban again. In other words, they are unable to hold onto most regions in Afghanistan, as they fall right under the control of the Taliban. As a result, the Taliban has a permanent presence in 80% of Afghanistan. This is not the same situation inside Pakistan though (only in some parts of FATA in Pakistan maybe, but that is it), so the comparison is futile.

This is what you think not Afghans living here and it doesn't matter at all!

 

[53fd]

Don't put your self to judge Afghan people about what they thinks or not, Afghans and Afghanistan is affected severely in these 3 decades of war and within a decade it's impossible to rehabilitate all the ruins of 3 decade war we are progressing steady with some very big challenges. I ask you who was partnered with US for creating this mess in 80s?

Afghanistan has always had problems of presenting a uniting front, even before the three decades of fighting. Iran & Iraq went to war for 8 years as well. The whole world in the 80s was backing the US, just like you are backing the US right now. Don't give me all that crap about Pakistan did this & that, the Mujahideen were Afghans, the Soviets installed a pro-communist puppet regime (like the Karzai puppet regime installed by the US right now) in Afghanistan, & when it was getting threatened by the Afghan people, wanted to invade your country. You guys have always been divided & had a slave mentality, which is why Afghanistan is in a state it is right now.

I must tell you as much as people hate Karzai they love him that much as well, people are now acknowledged that Taliban are not local revolutionaries but they are trained and aided by outsiders they will act against them once they completely satisfied that Taliban are ruining their lives by the name of Islam we were even witness of some incidents this year people stoning to death some Talib commanders, interesting is that they were stoned by their own Pashtun people not by any Tajik/Hazara or Uzbek.

You guys have always been divided ethnically, & have always wanted to hurt each other.

It is not about what the Afghan people feel about the Taliban, but how much legitimacy the puppet Karzai regime has (which is zilch). After all, he is known as the mayor of Kabul for a reason. Please read these articles to understand what the common Afghan feels right now, you sound like one of the delusional people in the Karzai regime.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/136755-over-50-afghans-see-nato-occupier.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...shes-afghanistan-prisoner-torture-report.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...rzai-admits-afghanistan-security-failure.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/133552-top-10-under-reported-facts-afghanistan.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/u-s-foreign-affairs/133550-failing-u-s-strategy-afghanistan.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/131836-afghanistan-un-says-39-jump-violence-2011-a.html

 

[Shadow_Hunter]

Afghanistan has always had problems of presenting a uniting front, even before the three decades of fighting. Iran & Iraq went to war for 8 years as well. The whole world in the 80s was backing the US, just like you are backing the US right now. Don't give me all that crap about Pakistan did this & that, the Mujahideen were Afghans, the Soviets installed a pro-communist puppet regime (like the Karzai puppet regime installed by the US right now) in Afghanistan, & when it was getting threatened by the Afghan people, wanted to invade your country. You guys have always been divided & had a slave mentality, which is why Afghanistan is in a state it is right now.



You guys have always been divided ethnically, & have always wanted to hurt each other.

It is not about what the Afghan people feel about the Taliban, but how much legitimacy the puppet Karzai regime has (which is zilch). After all, he is known as the mayor of Kabul for a reason. Please read these articles to understand what the common Afghan feels right now, you sound like one of the delusional people in the Karzai regime.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/136755-over-50-afghans-see-nato-occupier.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...shes-afghanistan-prisoner-torture-report.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...rzai-admits-afghanistan-security-failure.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/133552-top-10-under-reported-facts-afghanistan.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/u-s-foreign-affairs/133550-failing-u-s-strategy-afghanistan.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/131836-afghanistan-un-says-39-jump-violence-2011-a.html

seems like you are taking out your frustration dude.....the guy on the other side is an afhgan and he has first hand knowledge of the situation, unlike you whose all the knowledge source are these brainwashed reports....

 

[Rafi]

The Afghans act as proxies for all kinds of foreign powers. Until that changes I am afraid they are are going to suffer still.

 

[53fd]

seems like you are taking out your frustration dude.....the guy on the other side is an afhgan and he has first hand knowledge of the situation, unlike you whose all the knowledge source are these brainwashed reports....

Hamid Karzai is an Afghan as well, doesn't mean what he says or does has any legitimacy in the eyes of his fellow countrymen. I've visited Afghanistan myself pre-2001. I know what is going on in Afghanistan.

 

[Shadow_Hunter]

Hamid Karzai is an Afghan as well, doesn't mean what he says or does has any legitimacy in the eyes of his fellow countrymen.

yep....but anything and everything he says carries more weight than the statements of an outsider.....

 

[Rafi]

MO is also an Afghan, foreign powers would not get their foot in the door, if A-Stan was a unified country.

 

[Shadow_Hunter]

MO is also an Afghan, foreign powers would not get their foot in the door, if A-Stan was a unified country.

as far as i remember, Afganistan was united in 2001...

 

[Sher Malang]

Afghanistan has always had problems of presenting a uniting front, even before the three decades of fighting. Iran & Iraq went to war for 8 years as well. The whole world in the 80s was backing the US, just like you are backing the US right now. Don't give me all that crap about Pakistan did this & that, the Mujahideen were Afghans, the Soviets installed a pro-communist puppet regime (like the Karzai puppet regime installed by the US right now) in Afghanistan, & when it was getting threatened by the Afghan people, wanted to invade your country. You guys have always been divided & had a slave mentality, which is why Afghanistan is in a state it is right now.



You guys have always been divided ethnically, & have always wanted to hurt each other.

It is not about what the Afghan people feel about the Taliban, but how much legitimacy the puppet Karzai regime has (which is zilch). After all, he is known as the mayor of Kabul for a reason. Please read these articles to understand what the common Afghan feels right now, you sound like one of the delusional people in the Karzai regime.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/136755-over-50-afghans-see-nato-occupier.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...shes-afghanistan-prisoner-torture-report.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...rzai-admits-afghanistan-security-failure.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/133552-top-10-under-reported-facts-afghanistan.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/u-s-foreign-affairs/133550-failing-u-s-strategy-afghanistan.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/131836-afghanistan-un-says-39-jump-violence-2011-a.html

They were real Mujahideens at least don't insult them comparing them with Taliban I belong to a military cadre family which later defected and joined Mujahideens; Mujahideens excluding their leaders were not aware of the consequences of their doings they really faced very harsh circumstances to defeat kufar and never ever killed any innocent, never planted roadside bombs for civilians, never committed suicide attacks, never killed 1 for tens, never hidden in women burqas, never killed elders of villages for not obeying their rules etc.. unlike Taliban Mujahideens were not divided by ethnic group during fight against invaders. What ever we say is crap and you say is right, don't be so naive.

Coming to some issues don't say 'always' it may be 'always' for you by judging your age but we are living here for centuries.

The articles you provided I already read them, every and each of them needs separate discussion now don't make confusions here and unlike this Poll by Asia foundation none of those articles questioned local Afghans so don't mean it to be Afghans feelings.

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Hamid Karzai is an Afghan as well, doesn't mean what he says or does has any legitimacy in the eyes of his fellow countrymen. I've visited Afghanistan myself pre-2001. I know what is going on in Afghanistan.

You visited Afghanistan pre-2001 and you know what's going on in Afghanistan right now? eh?

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The Afghans act as proxies for all kinds of foreign powers. Until that changes I am afraid they are are going to suffer still.

You are correct but not all Afghans, the core problem of us is proxies among us who is taking this country to the wrong way.

 

[Drawn_Sword_of_God]

i dont know hoe afghans can expect pakistan to help them when they claim some parts of pakistan are afghani and when many of these afghans cross into our country kidnapping children and blowing things up

did afghanistan ever payback when pakistan helped the mujahideen?

 

[modern_newton]

Mind your language kid! those are all my brothers and sisters.

is it joke? we have seen the love between brothers.. non pashtun are too liberal and modern..they want liberal Afg
Hanistan while pahtun want islamic values in their country..these non pash:tuns girls made mess in islamabad and peshawar with prostitution when they cam over here..there is huge gap between mentality of pashtuns and non pashtuns