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Politicising the holy cow, alienating India's minorities

yea and there were pictures of bhagwan on the dresses of Australians in cat walk you were the one had issue with that if
Bhaad mein gaye tere comment..........but Tera DP damn cute hai.

Kool strategy dude. Rage of Indians against you will be half as compared to other Pakistanis coz of ur DP :kiss3:.

we are going into religious debate now which is baned on this forum please avoid that and i would do it as well
Hain?

Banning of cow slaughter is related to religion. Isnt it? Then what were you talking bout till now? Wasnt it religious?
 
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Hain?

Banning of cow slaughter is related to religion. Isnt it? Then what were you talking bout till now? Wasnt it religious?
we are only discussing the laws here not hinds and Muslims ..........
 
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we are only discussing the laws here not hinds and Muslims ..........


The Law is good. We don't have a problem with it. And the needs of a many outweighs needs of few. So if India is a secular country then don't forgot that even Hindus live here.
 
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Politicising the holy cow

Thread already exists..posted yesterday...

Attention, a little bit in the midst of excitement can do a lot of good.
Its the job of the moderator to figure it out and then merge the thread plus the previous one had changed title so it is difficult to figure it out that it is already posted
 
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syedali73 said:
Address to the issues raised in the post if you can, an article written by a Hindu, and an Indian Hindu.
Sire if you didn't notice this was my 1st post on this thread (post#3)
we know about it :argh:
By now most of the hindus know that in Vedic times our ancestors used to consume meat; it was Buddhism which influenced hindu dietary habits.

But before pointing finger at Indian govt. and the poor holy cow,the journo should have done his homework. There's an article 48A in our constitutuion which says this
Article 48 in The Constitution Of India 1949
48. Organisation of agriculture and animal husbandry The State shall endeavour to organise agriculture and animal husbandry on modern and scientific lines and shall, in particular, take steps for preserving and improving the breeds, and prohibiting the slaughter, of cows and calves and other milch and draught cattle.

But if I were to think like a typical baniya then I would call this decision by Maharashtra govt. impetuous. It is a completely economically unsound as I don't see any benefit of keeping bulls or dried up cows, the poor farmer can't afford it. (If the cows are artificially inseminated and the fields are ploughed by machines, it is a burden on the farmer to feed bulls). The cows slaughtered for beef are not the milk-giving ones. India leads the world in beef export and it fetched India Rs.13725.23 crores in 2012. And also beef is the most preferred meat in India according to UN survey (chicken was not considered). So yes the ban was uncalled for.
You mock the title one more time or thank the mocker... just do it. You are just a member and in no position to dictate me (or anyone else for that matter) what to post and what not.There is nothing wrong with the post but with you.

Okay I've decided to reply to this off topic here.
Sir let me remind you that ppl pelt stones on trees which bears fruits. So you should learn to take criticism in your stride. And rather than threatening a member with a negative like a weakling I expect you to prove ppl wrong by countering an argument.
May be you didn't read this part of my post
I expect a think tank to post a more thought provoking article and not something which would invite a religious debate on the forum.
By the posts that have been posted on your thread, I think you've proved me right.
I expect a think tank to be someone who builds a bridge between the Indian and Pakistani members here and not someone who burns it down.
 
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we are only discussing the laws here not hinds and Muslims ..........
Hmm OK. So on topic, I believe that laws shud be made on basis of rationality and sentiments of people. Both amalgamated in balanced manner.

Existence of Cows is a big factor for economy too. Some reason why Cow was termed as god in ancient India. Cattle can be the biggest saviour against global warming if u analyse. More the cattle, better the situation of people. Many articles written on it.

So even tough I had beef many times in India and Europe, I beleive the banning cow slaughter is better for our region. More for economical and social reasons rather than religious reasons. Frankly, religiously Cow eating isnt an issue after all. But if someone has issues with coz meat, we shud not unnecessarily confront it.

Similarly, do u know poke is the most protienious and fleshy per square area. Thats why its the most preffered meat in western world. Logically, in todays date the reasons against poke meat isnt existence anymore like it was 1500 yrs ago.

Unlike old times, poke arent anymore fed on filth and excreta which was exactly the reason for its prohibition in christianity and islam then. Today, pigs are bred. Fed clean food and hence their flesh is less toxic.

So, scientifically poke in todays age is less toxic than Beef coz with size the meat becomes hard and less digestive. But will u eat poke? Obviously no. So shud I try convince u or make laws in favor of poke coz its logical and scientific? NO. Thats where sentiments too matter.

If u respect human, u will try to adjust for each other. IF its related to religious sentiments of hindus, muslims can restrict themselves to goat or lamb. What da issue?
 
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Politicising the holy cow, alienating India's minorities
Ram Puniyani –

Can the dietary practices, of an animal which is worshipped as a mother by a section of the Indian population, be brought in on the political arena?

While it sounds surreal, it is true, as far as the role of the cow in the Indian political firmament is concerned.

Recently, the Maharashtra Government got the President’s assent to the bill “Maharashtra Animal Preservation (Amendment) Bill 1995, which will now ban the slaughter of bulls and bullocks as well.

The defaulters will face a prison term of five years and a fine of Rs. 10,000. When I first read the ‘Animal Preservation’ part of the title of the bill, I thought this was bill was related to all animals used for human consumption or which deals with the use of animals for different purposes by society.

Contrary to that, it turned out that this bill applies only to the cow and its progeny. A decade ago, I was shocked to read that one of the most outstanding scholars of ancient Indian History, Professor Dwijendra Nath Jha received regular threats on the telephone prohibiting him from publishing his book, ‘Holy Cow Beef in Indian Dietary tradition’. This scholarly work traces the place of beef in the Indian diet from centuries.
The idea is to target minorities for beef eating, and cow slaughter
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One recalls that one of the slogans which rent the air in the run up the 2014 General Elections, and was also propped up on the ‘Cow Development Cell’ of the BJP, was:

Modi ko matdan, gai ko jeevadan,
[Vote for Modi, give life to the cow],

BJP ka sandesh, bachegi gai, bachega desh
[BJP’s message, the cow will be saved, the country will be saved]".

As such emotive-identity issues are the hallmark of the politics in the name of religion.

The BJP built itself up on another identity issue, that of the Ram Temple. The cow has always been an accompanying and a parallel issue for political mobilisation by the RSS-BJP.

It has also been the point of triggering violence in many cases. With the formation of the VHP by the RSS in 1964, the cow issue has systematically propped up time and time again.

Many a misconceptions about beef eating have been constructed.

The building of misconceptions has also extended to the dietary habits of the ‘Muslim’ community. The profession of a section of Muslims, who are Kasais (butchers), those in the trade of beef selling, has been brought in to add to the ‘Hate other’, ‘social common sense’ aspect of the Indian culture in particular. The result being that it is perceived, at the broader layers of the society, as beef eating being compulsory for Muslims.

The notion which has been popularised is that the Cow is Holy for Hindus: Muslims kill her! With a strong view that Muslim invaders brought beef eating into India. These misconceptions have by now, become a part of the ‘social common sense’ of a large number of people in the Indian society.

All the components of this are, however, myths and stereotypes, which have been constructed over a period of time.

Time and again one hears about some communal violence, the killing of Dalits and traders of cows, leading to communal polarisation. Many a Dalits dealing with cow hides have been killed in places like Gohana in Hariyana and the VHP leaders have justified such acts each time.

Contrary to this, beef eating and the sacrifice of cows was prevalent in India from the Vedic period. The sacrifice of cows in the Yagnas (ritual around fire) is extensively mentioned in the scriptures; in fact, there is mention about beef eating in various books. A phrase in Taitreya Brahmin states ‘Atho Annam Via Gau’ (Cow is in veritably food). Additionally, different gods are mentioned to be having their preferences for particular types of cow flesh. The preaching of non-violence in India came with the rise of agricultural society.

Jainism called for total non-violence, while Buddhism consistently talked of non-violence; the prevention of wasteful animal sacrifice in particular.

It was much later that Brahmanism picked up the cow as its symbol in response, and as a reaction to the non-violence of these religions. Since Brahmanism has asserted itself to be the Hinduism system, it projects the cow as holy for Hindus overall.

As a matter of fact, many sections of the society, more particularly the Dalits and Tribals have been eating beef all through. It is another matter that lately with the rising assertion of Hindutva, many a communities which are dependent on beef as a rich and cheap source of protein are gradually being forced to give it up.

In contrast to what is being asserted by the BJP and company, Swami Vivekanand had a different take on the issue. He points out;

You will be astonished if I tell you that, according to old ceremonials, he is not a good Hindu who does not eat beef. On certain occasions he must sacrifice a bull and eat it.’

[Vivekananda speaking at the Shakespeare Club, Pasadena, California, USA (2 February 1900) on the theme of ‘Buddhistic India’, cited in Swami Vivekananda, The Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda, Vol 3, (Calcutta: Advaita Ashram, 1997), p. 536].

The hope is that the society will overcome such blatant abuse of ‘identity issues’ for political goals. And, let the people have their own choices in matters of food habits.

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let me put thins short
is it leagal.. yes as per indina cositituion .. yes
is it required now that urgnt wihout any debate in assemblies and giving govt view on same ... NO..
is it targetting minority .. may be .. may be not
do we have other issue imp than this . yes way imp
is it practial viable decision -monetry wise ..NO
last few yr beef export from idnnia is higest .. if am not wrong and i dont know whether this alw bans export too whihc i dontthnk so
so dont jump indian mulsim tageted and tey are not safe balah blah ..
rest nayone free to use their time and rnegry on anything
 
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Hmm OK. So on topic, I believe that laws shud be made on basis of rationality and sentiments of people. Both amalgamated in balanced manner.

Existence of Cows is a big factor for economy too. Some reason why Cow was termed as god in ancient India. Cattle can be the biggest saviour against global warming if u analyse. More the cattle, better the situation of people. Many articles written on it.

So even tough I had beef many times in India and Europe, I beleive the banning cow slaughter is better for our region. More for economical and social reasons rather than religious reasons. Frankly, religiously Cow eating isnt an issue after all. But if someone has issues with coz meat, we shud not unnecessarily confront it.

Similarly, do u know poke is the most protienious and fleshy per square area. Thats why its the most preffered meat in western world. Logically, in todays date the reasons against poke meat isnt existence anymore like it was 1500 yrs ago.

Unlike old times, poke arent anymore fed on filth and excreta which was exactly the reason for its prohibition in christianity and islam then. Today, pigs are bred. Fed clean food and hence their flesh is less toxic.

So, scientifically poke in todays age is less toxic than Beef coz with size the meat becomes hard and less digestive. But will u eat poke? Obviously no. So shud I try convince u or make laws in favor of poke coz its logical and scientific? NO. Thats where sentiments too matter.

If u respect human, u will try to adjust for each other. IF its related to religious sentiments of hindus, muslims can restrict themselves to goat or lamb. What da issue?
i just think that when the law of such nature is made like slaughter of the cows etc you should take the input of the Muslims as well as they are as much indians as you are ... and they are in your parliament as well so input should be taken from them as well sir
 
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i just think that one the law of such nature is made like slaughter of the cows etc you should take the input of the Muslims as well as they are as much indians as you are ... and they are in your parliament as well so input should be taken from them as well sir
By da way, this law is only for Maharashtra state and not whole country.

This is a decision of State Assembly where BJP and ShivSena are in power with combined figure of 190+/288. What do u think they will do where Muslim population is negligible and themselves prefer Mutton and Chicken than the beef.

Once again, a Pakistani will hardly understand that in a country so diverse like India, even practices of muslims are poles apart in different regions.

As I always repeat, Pakistani muslims are very similar to UP/Bihar/Bengali and Hyderabadi muslims. Rest all other region are very social in nature and are in complete harmony with the local populace. Poor Shivsena being so anti muslim still hardly get ideological issues to politicize. so they bring practices of above mentioned regions to politicize. :D

Point is, be it Shiv Sena or Bajrang Dal OR Pakistanis or Jamatis, all these are still trying to create nations out of religion irrespective of Language, Creed, Culture and Traditions.

Thats where the whole mess is.

And plz notice, I have not mentioned RSS or BJP here. These guyz are strictly pro culture rather than religion. RSS has problems with Pakistan not coz they are anti muslims. Its coz they dont like Pakistanis not accepting their regional identity. There is a difference.

As an outsider, anyone will term all these Hindutvavadi parties in same bracket. But, still these is ideological difference between Shiv sena and RSS too.
 
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yea good analysis :lol::lol::lol::lol:
Arre? See thats where the skewed mentality comes. All actins of Shiv Sena is always put on BJP as if they are same. Thats where u guyz love to misunderstand a lot.

chalo, see this video.

Venkaiah Naidu Powerful Speech : Rib tickling laughter guranteed.

Watch for first 5 minutes and if have time watch full video. Lateron it becomes comedy. :)

Vote bank politics nothing much to discuss, even minorities support the ban.
“Muslim Chamber of Commerce & Industry (MCCI) Demands ban On Cow Slaughter” | RINA
@Pomegranate

Remember I said bout different muslims from different regions having different preferences. :) I dont believe me. :D :D :D
 
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