Poles furious after Russia blames them for starting WWII

[Hindustani78]

Last Updated: Saturday, September 26, 2015 - 20:43
Poles furious after Russia blames them for starting WWII | Zee News


Warsaw: The Russian ambassador to Poland has sparked outrage for putting some of the blame for World War II on Poland, creating a new spat amid deepening tensions between the Slavic nations.


Russian Ambassador Sergey Andreev yesterday described the Soviet's 1939 invasion of Poland as an act of self-defense, not aggression. The comment prompted Poland's Foreign Ministry to declare today that the ambassador "undermines historical truth" and seems to be trying to justify Stalinist crimes.

World War II began after Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union sealed a pact in 1939 that included a secret provision to carve up Poland and other parts of Eastern Europe. Germany soon invaded Poland from the West, followed by a Soviet invasion from the east 16 days later. Millions of Poles were killed in the war.

In an interview broadcast on the private TVN station, Andreev also said: "Polish policy led to the disaster in September 1939, because during the 1930s Poland repeatedly blocked the formation of a coalition against Hitler's Germany.

Poland was therefore partly responsible for the disaster which then took place."

Poland's Foreign Ministry expressed "surprise and alarm" at those comments, and Foreign Minister Grzegorz Schetyna summoned Andreev for a meeting Monday on the matter.

"The narrative presented by the highest official representative of the Russian state in Poland undermines the historical truth and reflects the most hypocritical interpretation of the events known from the Stalinist and communist years," the ministry said in a statement.

Prime Minister Ewa Kopacz also expressed displeasure with the ambassador.

"The role of an ambassador accredited in a country should be to build to build harmony and friendly relations between countries," Kopacz said.

Relations have never been easy since Poland, a former Soviet bloc nation, rejected Moscow's control and embraced the West, joining NATO and the European Union. But tensions have been especially high since Russia annexed Crimea in 2014, a step that Warsaw has strongly condemned.

In other points of contention in recent days, Poland blocked a Crimean official hoping to attend an OSCE conference in Warsaw from entering the country, angering Moscow. Moscow has also protested a Polish town's dismantling of a monument to a Soviet World War II general, threating Warsaw with "most serious consequences" for that.

PTI

 

[Hindustani78]

Poland to summon Russian envoy over WWII remarks - The Hindu
Updated: September 26, 2015 19:05 IST

Poland will summon Russia's envoy on Monday after he said Warsaw was partly to blame for the outbreak of the World War Two and that Polish-Russian relations were at their worst level for 70 years, Polish Foreign Minister Grzegorz Schetyna said on Saturday.

In an interview aired by TVN24 on Friday evening, Ambassador Sergey Andreyev said that Poland was partially responsible for Nazi Germany's invasion, because it had repeatedly blocked the formation of a coalition against Berlin in the run-up to the conflict.

Mr. Andreyev also said that Polish-Russian relations were currently at their worst since 1945, because Poland has chosen to freeze the two countries' political and cultural contacts.

"The Russian ambassador will be summoned to the Foreign Ministry on Monday, so that this issue is clarified to him by a Foreign Ministry representative" Mr. Schetyna told reporters.

 

[dadeechi]

The first shot of WW-III has already been shot and people are still stuck on WW-II

 

[jamahir]

In an interview broadcast on the private TVN station, Andreev also said: "Polish policy led to the disaster in September 1939, because during the 1930s Poland repeatedly blocked the formation of a coalition against Hitler's Germany.

fair point.

 

[Hindustani78]

fair point.

Poles were quiet powerful after the first world war and even defended Warsaw.

Even now Polish military is the fifth strongest military of Europe.

 

[jamahir]

Poles were quiet powerful after the first world war and even defended Warsaw.

that even makes it more suspicious about poland's pre-ww2 plans.

Even now Polish military is the fifth strongest military of Europe.

are the first four the same as in this article ( Poland: Military Superpower? | Acumen | OZY )??

 

[Hindustani78]

that even makes it more suspicious about poland's pre-ww2 plans.


are the first four the same as in this article ( Poland: Military Superpower? | Acumen | OZY )??

Poland was alarmed by the Russian Civil war similar like the Germans as the refugees were coming in millions to safe thier lives.

according to Global firepower . Poland military is the fifth strongest military in Europe.

European Powers Ranked by Military Strength - 2015

 

[The Sandman]

 

[jamahir]

Poland was alarmed by the Russian Civil war similar like the Germans as the refugees were coming in millions to safe thier lives.

russian civil war was one and half decade before the event that the russian ambassador describes.

according to Global firepower . Poland military is the fifth strongest military in Europe.

European Powers Ranked by Military Strength - 2015

hmm, so the list doesn't consider russia as part of europe.

good, i suppose.

 

[waz]

Oh dear....

 

[Desert Fox]

Actually it was Stalin who started WW 2 by signing non aggression pact with Hitler.

 

[bobo6661]

In an interview broadcast on the private TVN station, Andreev also said: "Polish policy led to the disaster in September 1939, because during the 1930s Poland repeatedly blocked the formation of a coalition against Hitler's Germany.

Standard to much Vodka Politic .... like poland had anything to say on those years France and England had Poland deep in there *** they formed alliance with us because they failed to get Stalin into alliance against Hitler.
A Franco-British delegation under general Doumenc and Admiral Drax went to Russia in 1939 to negotiate an alliance and there was nothing Poland wanted to do, or could do, to obstruct such an alliance or such talks.

Yee why did they fail? Becose Stalin "had tattood SS" on his right arm they where best pals back then thinking how to eat europe together.

 

[Ahiska]

Just another case of Russia rewriting history like always.
(I even know retards that say the Golden Horde and the Mongol conquest of Russia never existed and that it was only a civil war between Russians and Tatars............)

 

[Schutz]

Russia always rewrites the history, I saw this on reddit, long post so apologies but it has some humour.

"There's a common joke in Russia - the only thing that's harder to predict than our future, is our past."

And then someone posting an amusingly true comment

"When in doubt, Russian history can pretty much be summed up with the phrase, and then it got worse"

Russian history starts when the Eastern Slavs and Finno-Ugric peoples start to settle down and establish a state, and they open relations with the Byzantines and adopt Christianity.

And then things got worse.

Genghis came (in the winter, mind you) and in less than three years, the Mongols completely destroyed the young state of Rus', killing over half it's people.

And then things got worse.

The Mongol Empire collapsed, leaving a power void in Asia. Russia reestablished itself as the Grand Duchy, and then the Tsardom, but it took a very long time before Russia could be considered a regional power.

And then things got worse.

In the age of Empire, Russia, with no warm water ports, could not expand across the seas, and was blocked by powerful Germany/HRE/Austria in the West, so they expanded East, and the more they expanded, the more clear it was that Russia was forming an identity for itself that was somehow different from the rest of Europe. As the empire grew, it also grew more isolated. They fell behind, economically and socially. Feudalism in the form of lords and serfs existed in Russia until 1861, but when it was abolished, it only made the lower classes even poorer. In 1906 a constitution was written, but the Aristocracy rejected it.

And then things got worse.

World War 1 began. It was kind of Russia's fault, they were the first to mobilize their military (well, they somehow managed to sneak around using the word "mobilize" so that after the war they could point the finger at Germany, who mobilized in response to Russia's "totally-not-a-mobilization") Russia was not ready for the war, the people didn't want the war, they had no stake in the squabbles of Balkan powers,

And then things got worse.

Revolution! The Tsars were kicked out in March of 1917, and were replaced by the Russian Republic.

And then things got worse.

Revolution! The Russian Republic was kicked out by the Bolsheviks in the Red October, establishing the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic, led by Vladmir Lenin. They made peace with the Germans and Austrians, and consolidated power for the next several years, socializing every business they possibly could, and then forming the USSR.

And then things got worse

Lenin died, and the Communist Party was fractured into two groups, led by Joseph Stalin and Leon Trotsky. Stalin came out on top, and killed Trotsky and exiled his followers. He then began a long reign of terror. Millions of people were killed by his order. Dissidents were sent to hard labor camps in Siberia, whence they never returned.

And then things got worse.

It's Hitler time, everybody! That's right, the nutty German himself suddenly invaded in June 1941, and by November they had captured Ukraine and much of the Russian countryside, and were camped outside the gates of Moscow and Leningrad. But, Stalin, with his innovative and brilliant strategy (throw worthless grunts at them until they run out of bullets) began to push the Germans back, eventially all the way to Berlin. Overall, the war costed 30 million soviet deaths.

And then things got worse.

The war was expensive, and took an extreme toll on the Soviet economy and it's population. But, they managed to hang on, they stole nuclear technology from the United States, and then began developing it themselves. The space race happened, yada yada

And then things got worse.

For very complicated reasons, not limited to overspending on nuclear and space technology and military, and the general lack of concern for it's people, the Soviet Union declined, and eventually soffered widespread economic collapse and public outrage, especially when Gorbachev instituted his "glasnost" policy, which revealed decades of repression and deception. A coup threw Gorbachev out of power, but the coup government itself only lasted three days, leaving a new power vacuum. The government of the various Soviet Republics took over administrative control from the old central Soviet government, and soon, the Communist Party was banned (though the ban was never actually enforced). Yeltsin, the president of Russia, reorganized the country, and tried to rescue the economy in every way he could, including privatization of as many industries as possible as fast as possible.

And then things got worse.

Yeltsin's privatization wasn't well planned and was much too fast. It opened the door for criminal mafias and greedy corporations to seize economic power, and soon Russia effectively had an Oligarchic Aristocracy again, just like in the 19th century. The country wasn't able to get out of it's depression before the 1998 financial crisis, which decimated the economy again, and forced Yeltsin to resign.

And then things got worse.

Vladmir Putin. Ex-KGB officer, often reminisces about the glory of the Soviet era. He won a landslide victory in every election under suspicious circumstances, he took control of the Parliament, but pretended to uphold the constitution by letting his head of staff win the election after his second term, because the constitution says presidents cannot serve more than two consecutive terms, but as soon as Medvedev's first term ended, Putin won another landslide victory. All the while, political opponents of Putin disappear, or die in unexpected, tragic accidents.

And then things got worse.

Putin invaded Georgia, and then Ukraine, paving the way for a new Russian Empire, just as unequal and authoritarian as any other.

And that's Russian history for you.

 

[bobo6661]

The good amabasador forgot to tell why we loved Soviet so much even before 1939 there would be no reason Poland wonted an alliance with Soviets
Polish Operation of the NKVD (1937–38) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
now we should love them for they lies
its funny when russians are so pro CCCP when it comes to the success off it but when someone showes them that CCCP are one of the biggest murders in the world they tell its the Jews doing...