Poland says cannot accept migrants under EU quotas after Paris attacks

[UKBengali]

Here great Turk,here's "your Germany" in 2020,surpassed by even Romania and left in the dust by Poland ....and you compare yourself with Western Europe in every PDF thread

Nor can you change the numbers

Report for Selected Countries and Subjects

Turkish economy should expand by 4% a year on average for next few decades at least. This contrasts with 1-2% average in Western Europe.

Romanians may not like it but come mid- century Turkey will overshadow the Balkans and Eastern European regions due to it's approx 100 million population and industrialised economy.

 

[flamer84]

Turkish economy should expand by 4% a year on average for next few decades at least. This contrasts with 1-2% average in Western Europe.

Romanians may not like it but come mid- century Turkey will overshadow the Balkans and Eastern European regions due to it's approx 100 million population and industrialised economy.

1% in W Europe is 4% in Eastern Europe and Turkey....and that's just to keep the current gap,2% in W Europe is just more than that.And,it's not about liking it or not but Turkey isn't really pulling those 4% in the last 2 years and the coming years are surely uncertain.Btw,I provided a link from the IMF earlier you can clearly see that Eastern Europe is pulling ahead.

As for shadowing Eastern Europe...allready Rou+Hung+Czech Rep+Slo+Pol=1,1-1.15 trillion $ with the same population as Turkey....and they're widening ahead the GDP per capita in the coming years.....And as you know,whole Eastern Europe is more than those countries mentioned by me

 

[UKBengali]

1% in W Europe is 4% in Eastern Europe and Turkey....and that's just to keep the current gap,2% in W Europe is just more than that.And,it's not about liking it or not but Turkey isn't really pulling those 4% in the last 2 years and the coming yers are surely uncertain.Btw,I provided a link from the IMF earlier you can clearly see that Eastern Europe is pulling ahead.

OECD predicts 4% a year for Turkey for next 5 years. IMF is at around 3.5% average.

4% in Turkey and 1% in W Europe will mean the gap will reduce given enough time. This is compound mathematics.


E Europe is growing at almost exactly the same rate as Turkey - ignore temporary currency fluctuations
as this all balances out in the end.

Expect in 2-3 decades from now, both E Europe AND Turkey will have similar living standards to W Europe.
If you have lived in W Europe you will realise that there is no magic going on here to make it so rich, but only
a long period of following correct economic policies.

 

[Husnainshah]

''EU should not reject refugees based on Paris attacks, EU Commission head says

This is the dilemma of Europe; too liberal and too tolerant. Not only should Europe reject refugees but deport radical Muslims to their respective countries. That'd severely restrict this sharia stuff since most of these self-righteous people prefer West over Islam.

 

[flamer84]

OECD predicts 4% a year for Turkey for next 5 years. IMF is at around 3.5% average.

4% in Turkey and 1% in W Europe will mean the gap will reduce given enough time. This is compound mathematics.


E Europe is growing at almost exactly the same rate as Turkey - ignore temporary currency fluctuations
as this all balances out in the end.

Expect in 2-3 decades from now, both E Europe AND Turkey will have similar living standards to W Europe.
If you have lived in W Europe you will realise that there is no magic going on here to make it so rich, but only
a long period of following correct economic policies.

We're basically saying the same thing....only that if we take 40k/capita in Western Europe and 10k per capita in E. Europe/Turkey (altough that's only true for Romania as other EE,EU countries have a bigger GDP per capita from 12k to 16,17k) we see that the 4x times difference can't shorten when you grow at 4% vs 1%....and that's assuming W Europe won't grow at 1.5 or even 2.

 

[Schutz]

1 is too many, send them back to whatever shithole they lied that they were from to get into our countries, they will tear our world apart if we let them.

 

[bsruzm]

Romanians may not like it but come mid- century Turkey will overshadow the Balkans and Eastern European regions due to it's approx 100 million population and industrialised economy.

There is an interesting article, you may like:


''AK Party's Victory Strengthens Turkey's Role in Balkans

Erdogan’s admirers in mainly Muslim parts of the Balkans took to the streets to celebrate the victory of his Justice and Development party, which won back its Turkish parliamentary majority.

Hundreds of Kosovars in the southern town of Prizren joined the celebration of the Justice and Development (AK) party’s victory on Sunday, some carrying banners with Erdogan’s picture and chanting his party’s slogans, others driving around waving Turkish flags.

In the Macedonian capital Skopje, a stage was set up in the old Turkish bazaar in the centre of the city, where a group of mainly Turkish people followed the election’s progress live. A fireworks display was launched after the first results were announced.

The festivity was joined by Bosniaks and Albanians from Macedonia who celebrated the AK Party’s win by driving though the city with Turkish flags until late into the night.

Albanians also celebrated in the northern Macedonian town of Tetovo with fireworks and street celebrations.

A small number of Erdogan's supporters gathered meanwhile in front of the old Bosnian National Library in the capital Sarajevo, waving Bosnian and Turkish flags.

The celebrations and praises were a testimony to the strong political, diplomatic but also economic influence that Turkey has established across the Balkans in recent years, especially during Erdogan's reign.

With almost all the votes counted by Sunday evening, election results showed that the AK Party has secured a clear majority, reversing the losses it suffered in a previous election in June.

This result was welcomed by Muslims across the Balkans who see Turkey as a traditional friend and Erdogan as a champion whose political and economic support has reinforced their own positions in a fragile region dominated by Roman Catholic and Orthodox populations.

But respect for Erdgoan crosses the ethnic lines in the Balkans.

Serbian Premier Aleksandar Vucic was among the first to congratulate the Turkish leader.

"I congratulate you and your party on the convincing victory in today's elections. I wish that you ensure peace, stability and prosperity for Turkish citizens," Vucic said in a statement issued on Sunday evening.

The news was welcomed by Bosniak ethnic parties and the Islamic community in Montenegro.

The Bosniak Party, a junior ruling party in Montenegro, said that the victory will allow the formation of a government in Turkey which will safeguard the peace and security of everyone in the region.

The head of the Islamic community in Montenegro, Reis Rifat Fejzic, said that he was "very pleased" with the outcome of the elections in Turkey.

Erdogan's triumph was welcomed also in Bosnia and Herzegovina, a country he has visited seven times during the period he has served as Turkish prime minister and then president.

"So far, Erdogan has been the biggest promoter of a wider Turkish influence in the Balkans," Aleksandar Trifunovic, the editor-in-chief of news website Buka, based in the predominately Serb town of Banja Luka, told BIRN.

“The victory of his party means, first of all, that he will continue to strengthen the connection between our two countries," Trifunovic said.

He added however that "given the current situation in the Middle East, I seriously doubt that Bosnia will still represent a priority for Ankara's foreign policy in the near future".

Nerzuk Curak, a professor of geopolitics at the Faculty of Political Sciences of Sarajevo, said that Erdogan’s party already has good relations with some of the parties in the Bosnian government, particularly with the Party of Democratic Action led by Bakir Izetbegovic.

"Sunday's elections will bolster the figure of Erdogan as an important leader for the region,” Curak told BIRN.

“Moreover, the fact that now his party will have an absolute majority in parliament might enable him to act with greater freedom on the international scene," he said.''

Erdogan Victory Strengthens Turkey's Role in Balkans :: Balkan Insight

 

[UKBengali]

We're basically saying the same thing....only that if we take 40k/capita in Western Europe and 10k per capita in E. Europe/Turkey (altough that's only true for Romania as other EE,EU countries have a bigger GDP per capita from 12k to 16,17k) we see that the 4x times difference can't shorten when you grow at 4% vs 1%....and that's assuming W Europe won't grow at 1.5 or even 2.

You do realise that at PPP both E Europe AND Turkey are at 20K at least?

It is normal for most middle-income countries to have much lower nominal than PPP GDP/ capita.
As the living standards in both E Europe and Turkey start to converge with W Europe in 2-3 decades
, then the nominal GDP/ capita will also converge.

 

[flamer84]

You do realise that at PPP both E Europe AND Turkey are at 20K at least?

It is normal for most middle-income countries to have much lower nominal than PPP GDP/ capita.
As the living standards in both E Europe and Turkey start to converge with W Europe in 2-3 decades
, then the nominal GDP/ capita will also converge.

2-3 decades is to far for a prediction in my opinion.the horizon must be 10-15 years.None the less,this whole discussion comes from the all mighty chest tumping from some members describing EE as some dwarf at Turkey's mercy when that's certainly not the case.Romania,for example is growing nicely,it just signed a deal with China to fund 2 nuclear reactors to the aditional 2 in operatrion (no nuclear power plant in Turkey as of yet),it has substantial gas reserves both on the ground and on the Black Sea which will be tapped in around 2020,it has cooperation with the other EE countries,especially Poland---and Poland is growing even better.Look at statistics such as unemployement,goverment debt and GDP per capita......plus...the risc factor....Turkey is certainly in a worse neighborhood with greater risks of instability.

 

[UKBengali]

2-3 decades is to far for a prediction in my opinion.the horizon must be 10-15 years.None the less,this whole discussion comes from the all mighty chest tumping from some members describing EE as some dwarf at Turkey's mercy when that's certainly not the case.Romania,for example is growing nicely,it just signed a deal with China to fund 2 nuclear reactors to the aditional 2 in operatrion (no nuclear power plant in Turkey as of yet),it has substantial gas reserves both on the ground and on the Black Sea which will be tapped in around 2020,it has cooperation with the other EE countries,especially Poland---and Poland is growing even better.Look at statistics such as unemployement,goverment debt and GDP per capita......plus...the risc factor....Turkey is certainly in a worse neighborhood with greater risks of instability.

True that 2-3 decades is a very long time to enable any predictions with a high degree of certainty.

But say that both E Europe and Turkey converge to W Europe living standards then it will be interesting to see the kind of relationship that develops between the relatively tiny European states and the giant Turkish one.

 

[flamer84]

True that 2-3 decades is a very long time to enable any predictions with a high degree of certainty.

But say that both E Europe and Turkey converge to W Europe living standards then it will be interesting to see the kind of relationship that develops between the relatively tiny European states and the giant Turkish one.

I see a more cohesive approach between the Visegrad 4 (Pol,Slo,Hun,Cze) and Rou+Bul.

 

[Kaniska]

Schools in France are discriminatory against Muslims, forget about hijab..Muslim girls are attacked for wearing decent clothing and acting as cultured beings (remember the school girl who got kicked out for wearing skirt and french were mad cuz she didn't show enough skin?), and after some bad events..even teachers bully Muslim kids as young as 8.

French state needs to open up and let Muslims integrate in France. Otherwise these ghettos will keep providing bad news for France.

And schools/education is important..but Mosques are very important in social life of community as well.

French whine like little bitches when Muslims pray in the streets in numbers...and at the same time, they refuse to let Muslims build enough Mosques so they can accommodate the worshipers. What lunacy?

Dear friend...the point is if the local cuture of the land is happy with showing skin, then there is the culure of the land...Who are we people to criticize them??...At the end of the day, no one can question if your local culture requires your women to be wearing Burkha..Every one should respect the culture of your country...

You guys always think religion supersedes the culure..that is where the clash always happens...But at the end of the day, culture always dominates the religion...If if Europe cultures stands for clothing that shows skin according to you, then Muslims are welcome to migrate to Pakistan or Gulf countries..No one stops then but it is suprising that Muslims expect that everyone should change becasue they think they are supreme...

Think Practically, when some one goes to Gulf countries, they should follow tradition of Gulf countries...Why this simple concept is not being understood by Muslim people....

 

[skyisthelimit]

How cute. Europe trying to act like it has balls.

They wouldn't be in this situation if they weren't weaklings.

Should have done 30 years back.

Too late, but at least should not lose the steam now.

I have a Polish colleague here in NL.

He says there are a lot of protests in Poland against accepting these refugees. They say we will lose our Christian identity and we do not want the same drama as going in UK, Germany or France.

But no where in EU newspapers, i see protests even mentioned.

It clearly shows how Media is working and contributing towards Europe as ONE NATION and ONE RULE theory.

EU needs strict rules and no more pampering or EU origins should be ready for mass migration after 25-30 years for sure.

 

[pher]

1 is too many, send them back to whatever shithole they lied that they were from to get into our countries, they will tear our world apart if we let them.

shame for you to speak like this as a human rights beakon and world moral saint.

 

[pher]

You are a very good poster. Trust me, you have a balanced opinion.

Since I am not EU or any of the western countries but western countries should pick up the best guy for immigration (be it muslims, hindus or anyone)..They give such a good life and liberty to live and what we do there. Sharia for Europe, more mosques. Europe should kick such kind of people from their land.



Lol a chinese giving lessons on human rights.

of course we can have a say. after all, we don't colonize other people for 200 years. we donot sell human being as slaves, and also we don't force drug on other country by guns.