PMLN put forth 3 conditions to contest elections

[ziaulislam]

The total seats are 342.

check the link below it will help now calculate how many PTI has filed and how many PML-N and PPPP have filed

http://www.na.gov.pk/en/composition.php

There are total 120 political parties taking place in 2018

https://www.ecp.gov.pk/frmGenericPage.aspx?PageID=3089

@ziaulislam now look at this it explains a lot of how the new game is playing.

total are 272 seats reserves are not counted
my point is yes indeed PTI has fielded more but doesnt matter..look at 2013 MQM just fielded it candidates in 2 major cities and got 19 seats vs PTi who fielded every where and barely got 26..really depends upon wining candidates..
jumping from 26 to 149 will mean 600% increase ..a difficult feat..
as of now urban NORTHERN punjab which fields 45 seats will vote for PML N this alone will put PML N in strong position..urban punjab has more geniue support and doesn't field electibles..now all northern punjab has 103 seats..imagine if PML N just performs half of what it did in 2013...i am not counting southern punjab and urban KPK..as i think PTI will win there but even if it does clean sweep in these two areas it will give PTI 70ish seats.. PML N can win 70ish seats if it does decently in just 1 area central punjab

PPPP has rural sindh 30 ish seats at best while mqm has urban areas which is now under contest between PTI, MQM and PPPP

baluchistan doesnt matter rural has strong JUI presence while urban will switch sides as soon as govt is formed

now independents and baluchistan will wait and see who wins before it joins them

remeber if PTI doesnt hit atleast 110 PPPP and PML N will form a govt together..showbaz is already hinting a "unity govt"

 

[H!TchHiker]

total are 272 seats reserves are not counted
my point is yes indeed PTI has fielded more but doesnt matter..look at 2013 MQM just fielded it candidates in 2 major cities and got 19 seats vs PTi who fielded every where and barely got 26..really depends upon wining candidates..
jumping from 26 to 149 will mean 600% increase ..a difficult feat..
as of now urban NORTHERN punjab which fields 45 seats will vote for PML N this alone will put PML N in strong position..urban punjab has more geniue support and doesn't field electibles..now all northern punjab has 103 seats..imagine if PML N just performs half of what it did in 2013...i am not counting southern punjab and urban KPK..as i think PTI will win there but even if it does clean sweep in these two areas it will give PTI 70ish seats.. PML N can win 70ish seats if it does decently in just 1 area central punjab

PPPP has rural sindh 30 ish seats at best while mqm has urban areas which is now under contest between PTI, MQM and PPPP

baluchistan doesnt matter rural has strong JUI presence while urban will switch sides as soon as govt is formed

now independents and baluchistan will wait and see who wins before it joins them

remeber if PTI doesnt hit atleast 110 PPPP and PML N will form a govt together..showbaz is already hinting a "unity govt"

Lol you really think after making so much ground "Mahkama zaraat"will allow them to take even half of seats....have you not seen Jeeep symbol...Showbaz is not hinting just requesting army to atlleast let them in play...PTI will have day this time...
Notice the decline in PML-N ...they are no more in position to play any part in next term..
Though zardari is quite in..Army may force sajrani model or play with IK by having zardari in this game...in 2002 terrorism at its peak and only 70,000 soldiers where deployed now when it is almost negligible..half army (350,000) will be performing election duty ...Lol even interior minister was saying no boy consulted me...Judge in qasoor writing letter that Cant Major instructing him and others ...You know where things are going..It is good finally Army has decided to close Nawaz chapter...even from central or north punjab

 

[ziaulislam]

Lol you really think after making so much ground "Mahkama zaraat"will allow them to take even half of seats....have you not seen Jeeep symbol...Showbaz is not hinting just requesting army to atlleast let them in play...PTI will have day this time...
Notice the decline in PML-N ...they are no more in position to play any part in next term..
Though zardari is quite in..Army may force sajrani model or play with IK by having zardari in this game...in 2002 terrorism at its peak and only 70,000 soldiers where deployed now when it is almost negligible..half army (350,000) will be performing election duty ...Lol even interior minister was saying no boy consulted me...Judge in qasoor writing letter that Cant Major instructing him and others ...You know where things are going..It is good finally Army has decided to close Nawaz chapter...even from central or north punjab

PML N has a trump card which army doesn't
If pml n thinks army is messing it can boycott the election and makeit contraversial this is last thing army wants...army will prefer pmln govt and economical collapse

The fact is by polls PML N is losing ground rapidly..pti is much smarter with candidates and seat ajustment with other parties

I am favoring PTI to be the majority party and suspect a coalition between PML and PPPP unless PTi pulls off an upset in karaci propelling it to 100seats rather than 80ish now

 

[Guvera]

PML N has a trump card which army doesn't
If pml n thinks army is messing it can boycott the election and makeit contraversial this is last thing army wants...army will prefer pmln govt and economical collapse

The fact is by polls PML N is losing ground rapidly..pti is much smarter with candidates and seat ajustment with other parties

I am favoring PTI to be the majority party and suspect a coalition between PML and PPPP unless PTi pulls off an upset in karaci propelling it to 100seats rather than 80ish now

PTI is getting 100 plus seats as things stand now, quite a few NOONI candidates will jump in the JEEP and as far as karachi is concerned, we will be having a real election after a long time....PSP is quite strong in urban karachi and hyderabad, MQM is in tatters and might end up with a bycott.

 

[H!TchHiker]

PML N has a trump card which army doesn't
If pml n thinks army is messing it can boycott the election and makeit contraversial this is last thing army wants...army will prefer pmln govt and economical collapse

The fact is by polls PML N is losing ground rapidly..pti is much smarter with candidates and seat ajustment with other parties

I am favoring PTI to be the majority party and suspect a coalition between PML and PPPP unless PTi pulls off an upset in karaci propelling it to 100seats rather than 80ish now

I don't think so Army has already break a good chunk of there candidate with latest move in "Jeep" so i think party is over for PML-N , it is on army now and it seems the favorite is PTI this time..PTI should gain majority as there is no tough competition for them now in Punjab , KP is easy for them

 

[ziaulislam]

I don't think so Army has already break a good chunk of there candidate with latest move in "Jeep" so i think party is over for PML-N , it is on army now and it seems the favorite is PTI this time..PTI should gain majority as there is no tough competition for them now in Punjab , KP is easy for them

The theory that south Punjab was ignored is much more plausible than army theory... either the army is bunch of fools or you are talking bull shit

Because south Punjab isn't the battle ground it's north Punjab...if common folk like me know it why doesn't the army know it?...the day north Punjab candidates go to "Jeep" than your theory will make some sense..so don't talk bullshit

 

[Imran Khan]

bhai isa lena gai to lo warna or bhi 1190 partiyaan hain is mulk main

 

[ziaulislam]

You need geographical lesson south Punjab has always been a swing area between pppp and PML N and it seems PTI might take it now

PML N know that if they just win north Punjab they will eaisly form govt...north Punjab alone gave PML N 98 seats last time ..enough for pml n to form govt ALONE with independents and it's key alley JUI

 

[H!TchHiker]

The theory that south Punjab was ignored is much more plausible than army theory... either the army is bunch of fools or you are talking bull shit

Because south Punjab isn't the battle ground it's north Punjab...if common folk like me know it why doesn't the army know it?...the day north Punjab candidates go to "Jeep" than your theory will make some sense..so don't talk bullshit

I am out of discussion ...Since i can't use the type of language you are used to...this ignorance theory don't apply to Karachi or hazara division...They are electable and goes wherever they see the "wind"...this ignorance when gillani was PM , lagahri was president so leave it...South pujab is/was swing vote...

 

[ziaulislam]

I am out of discussion ...Since i can't use the type of language you are used to...this ignorance theory don't apply to Karachi or hazara division...They are electable and goes wherever they see the "wind"...this ignorance when gillani was PM , lagahri was president so leave it...South pujab is/was swing vote...

Just explain why is army rigging the wrong place..they need to rig north Punjab not south ..are they such a bunch of fools

 

[defence_analyst]

The theory that south Punjab was ignored is much more plausible than army theory... either the army is bunch of fools or you are talking bull shit

Because south Punjab isn't the battle ground it's north Punjab...if common folk like me know it why doesn't the army know it?...the day north Punjab candidates go to "Jeep" than your theory will make some sense..so don't talk bullshit

Gilani PM was from south punjab yet PPP was rooted out. If you believe army doesn't have influence on electable in rural areas then what one can say. You probably also believe BAP had nothing to do with army.

Just explain why is army rigging the wrong place..they need to rig north Punjab not south ..are they such a bunch of fools

Army isn't ringing elections, they are just telling their men to join certain party. They will win election fair and square. Its just that south punjab is dominated by electable while in north parties have huge vote bank of their own so hard to guess which candidate will win.

 

[H!TchHiker]

Just explain why is army rigging the wrong place..they need to rig north Punjab not south ..are they such a bunch of fools

For a same reason they install Sajrani on Senaate or within a night the conscious awakening happen to balochistan assembly and they form a new government...South is easy to manipulate and a swing vote and based on electables..Sardar or electable are easy to manipulate ..and with them the vote swicthes...I think you have never been to South Punjab..These khosa , gorchani were running a campaign on lion symbol and same afternoon when they were visiting court it suddenly changed..
For north it is party based and no benefit to cut there candidates PML-N won't won all from north ..Army Major from Qasoor and Sahiwal issue notices to RO there is a clear pattern..this will happen on election day too...as happen in 2002 when mushraf was ruler..
FYI i am from not from north neither center and don't vote for PML-N but whatever is happening is quite obvious...Army is removing the men they brought up...Like altaf and others

 

[ziaulislam]

For a same reason they install Sajrani on Senaate or within a night the conscious awakening happen to balochistan assembly and they form a new government...South is easy to manipulate and a swing vote and based on electables..Sardar or electable are easy to manipulate ..and with them the vote swicthes...I think you have never been to South Punjab..These khosa , gorchani were running a campaign on lion symbol and same afternoon when they were visiting court it suddenly changed..
For north it is party based and no benefit to cut there candidates PML-N won't won all from north ..Army Major from Qasoor and Sahiwal issue notices to RO there is a clear pattern..this will happen on election day too...as happen in 2002 when mushraf was ruler..
FYI i am from not from north neither center and don't vote for PML-N but whatever is happening is quite obvious...Army is removing the men they brought up...Like altaf and others

So you don't even now the definition of rigging...if jsut by persuading electables to switch isn't rigging it's politics, at best you can say army is getting involved in politi C's..but army doesn't need to PTI /PPPP can do that

Musharraf clearly rigged election in North Punjab...

So you are now comapring Nawaz with altaf...are you saying Nawaz was taking votes at gun point????

You still didn't answer my question..why is the army rigging the election in wrong place..as per your claim?

To me things are obvious... Nawaz did corruption and is no longer"protected" and electables and the whole western media knows it...after all he was the superstar of Panama save heavens leak...

Gilani PM was from south punjab yet PPP was rooted out. If you believe army doesn't have influence on electable in rural areas then what one can say. You probably also believe BAP had nothing to do with army.



Army isn't ringing elections, they are just telling their men to join certain party. They will win election fair and square. Its just that south punjab is dominated by electable while in north parties have huge vote bank of their own so hard to guess which candidate will win.

Is it more plausible that south electibles sense an injured lion or is it more plausible that army nudged them...army doesn't need to do it..that job was done by idoit corrupt leader..if you want to do corruption be smart about it ..things don't help if electibles sense stiff competition in Punjab due to economic failure, load shedding, inflation and pro Indian comments..there is also an impending clean sweep in KPK..PTI is going to do even better in KPK ...that alone meant a big blow for PML N..enough to nudge the south to switch sides especially if they are promised a separate province..

can PMLN offer that of course not...

point is army DOESNT NEED TO DO ANYTHING Every every is falling by itself

In Karachi mqm took votes by gun...army simply cleaned Karachi..is that rigging????

Army would rig if it needs to..but it doesn't need to do it...with this performance that's been as worse as PPPP what did you expect...as PPPP was finished so will PMLN get hit...
GDP growth the only positive of this govt on back of massive construction and low oil prices is goignto fall to below 4.7 the same rate as PPPP

Taking too much laons is another propoganda piece..so is no dams..both an Imp issue in northern Punjab

 

[defence_analyst]

So you don't even now the definition of rigging...if jsut by persuading electables to switch isn't rigging it's politics, at best you can say army is getting involved in politi C's..but army doesn't need to PTI /PPPP can do that

Musharraf clearly rigged election in North Punjab...

So you are now comapring Nawaz with altaf...are you saying Nawaz was taking votes at gun point????

You still didn't answer my question..why is the army rigging the election in wrong place..as per your claim?

To me things are obvious... Nawaz did corruption and is no longer"protected" and electables and the whole western media knows it...after all he was the superstar of Panama save heavens leak...


Is it more plausible that south electibles sense an injured lion or is it more plausible that army nudged them...army doesn't need to do it..that job was done by idoit corrupt leader..if you want to do corruption be smart about it ..things don't help if electibles sense stiff competition in Punjab due to economic failure, load shedding, inflation and pro Indian comments..there is also an impending clean sweep in KPK..PTI is going to do even better in KPK ...that alone meant a big blow for PML N..enough to nudge the south to switch sides especially if they are promised a separate province..

can PMLN offer that of course not...

point is army DOESNT NEED TO DO ANYTHING Every every is falling by itself

In Karachi mqm took votes by gun...army simply cleaned Karachi..is that rigging????

Army would rig if it needs to..but it doesn't need to do it...with this performance that's been as worse as PPPP what did you expect...as PPPP was finished so will PMLN get hit...
GDP growth the only positive of this govt on back of massive construction and low oil prices is goignto fall to below 4.7 the same rate as PPPP

Taking too much laons is another propoganda piece..so is no dams..both an Imp issue in northern Punjab

You are very naive or pretend to be stupid. Electable are definition of corruption. South punjab is dominated by them. If you want to see how they treat their voters then just watch recently released video from DG Khan. These electable were installed by British raj to govern districts. Army which is continuation of British raj have their firm hold on these electable.

That's why while rural punjab was with Q-league but N still won majority of seats in Lahore 2002 election. It shows rigging was not done just that rural electable changed their sides.

They don't have ideology, they care about being in power to get as much corruption funds as possible in the name of development.

 

[ziaulislam]

You are very naive or pretend to be stupid. Electable are definition of corruption. South punjab is dominated by them. If you want to see how they treat their voters then just watch recently released video from DG Khan. These electable were installed by British raj to govern districts. Army which is continuation of British raj have their firm hold on these electable.

That's why while rural punjab was with Q-league but N still won majority of seats in Lahore 2002 election. It shows rigging was not done just that rural electable changed their sides.

They don't have ideology, they care about being in power to get as much corruption funds as possible in the name of development.

So you are saying PML N was also corrupt? Because they just had electibles too last year...

Our discussion to clarify is this..you are saying electibles are switching From PML N because army is saying so, I think they are switching because of better incentives (new province) and impending defeat of PML N due to poor performance the army doesn't need to do anything..I mean it did it before in 1990s when it needed(by support of pmln against PPPP) but even if the army support PTI(Which seems to be true) why dirty your hands when nothing is needed ...

Last why are you bringing up 2003 elections? which every one agrees was rigged no wonder why PML even formed govt in sindh

So let's not change the above topic...whole discussion is army rigging per PML N