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PMLN and PPP leaders in private meetings said they brought down Imran Khan so that General Faiz Hameed would not become next army chief: Aizaz Syed

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Norwegian said:
Here you go Bughaz Imrani
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Trump, With Imran Khan By His Side, Offers J&K Mediation For Third Time

US President Donald Trump renewed his offer of arbitration between India and Pakistan on Monday ahead of a meeting with Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan.
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You mean to say Imran Khan was NOT waiting for Biden's call and that he was not desperate for the call to the point where the NSA complained to the media that Biden is not calling Imran? Well, here you go Imrandoo

Pakistan’s security adviser complains Joe Biden has not called Imran Khan​


And you also mean that all the rhetoric and lies about US conspiracy to topple his Government is actually to serve our relations with the US? The nonsense and stupid comments on EU letter by Imran Khan, a letter which was also sent to India by the EU and on which we heard nothing from Modi as it was handled diplomatically, was also meant to better our relations with the EU?

And you mean that case after case on CPEC projects involving Chinese officials and halt to all CPEC projects was to better our relations with China?

Imrandoo logic with a flavour of Youthia trumps all indeed.
 
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Mav3rick said:
You mean to say Imran Khan was NOT waiting for Biden's call and that he was not desperate for the call to the point where the NSA complained to the media that Biden is not calling Imran? Well, here you go Imrandoo

Pakistan’s security adviser complains Joe Biden has not called Imran Khan​


And you also mean that all the rhetoric and lies about US conspiracy to topple his Government is actually to serve our relations with the US? The nonsense and stupid comments on EU letter by Imran Khan, a letter which was also sent to India by the EU and on which we heard nothing from Modi as it was handled diplomatically, was also meant to better our relations with the EU?

And you mean that case after case on CPEC projects involving Chinese officials and halt to all CPEC projects was to better our relations with China?

Imrandoo logic with a flavour of Youthia trumps all indeed.
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Problem was with that senile moron president Biden, not Imran Khan. If Imran Khan was the problem how come Pakistan had excellent relationship with US under President Trump? Remember Biden administration has been actively working against PM Imran Khan since the very start, even retweeting tweets from his Patwari Haramkhor opponents (they had to apologize but Bughaz Imran cat was out of the bag by then).
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US embassy in Islamabad apologises for sharing 'unauthorised' tweet against PM Imran

"The US embassy does not endorse the posting or retweeting of political messages," it says.
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Norwegian said:
Problem was with that senile moron president Biden, not Imran Khan. If Imran Khan was the problem how come Pakistan had excellent relationship with US under President Trump? Remember Biden administration has been actively working against PM Imran Khan since the very start, even retweeting tweets from his Patwari Haramkhor opponents (they had to apologize but Bughaz Imran cat was out of the bag by then).View attachment 864487
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US embassy in Islamabad apologises for sharing 'unauthorised' tweet against PM Imran

"The US embassy does not endorse the posting or retweeting of political messages," it says.
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Regardless of what Biden did, was it not in our favour to win over US by working on their reservations to build confidence in our relations for the betterment of the country? I mean how wise is it to take such matters on ego especially against a country which is able to make and break Pakistan financially and one which not only is our largest export market but also one which controls most of our remaining export markets such as UK, EU etc.??
 
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Mav3rick said:
Regardless of what Biden did, was it not in our favour to win over US by working on their reservations to build confidence in our relations for the betterment of the country?
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No. Pakistan is an independent sovereign nation, not a subservient colony to serve US interests in the region

Mav3rick said:
I mean how wise is it to take such matters on ego especially against a country which is able to make and break Pakistan financially and one which not only is our largest export market but also one which controls most of our remaining export markets such as UK, EU etc.??
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Pakistan's export to US and Europe has only increased during Imran Khan's tenure so not sure how he destroyed Pakistan's trade relations with the West? Bughaz Imrani
News from March 8 2022:

US, EU countries top importers of Pakistani goods in February

KARACHI: United States of America, United Kingdom, Spain, Germany, Netherlands, and Italy remained top importers of Pakistani goods in the month of February, the Ministry of Commerce data showed on...
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ایک جگنو کا اعتراف (جرمن شاعر ہائنرش ہائنے کی ایک مختصر نظم)

سمجھتا ہے خود کو جس طرح بہت رعب دار یہ سورج
دن میں کچھ دیر کی چکا چوند کے بل پر
مرے ظاہر و باطن میں نہیں ایسا کوئی تکبر
رات کے گھپ اندھیرے میں مگر
اک بڑی روشنی کا منبع تو میں بھی ہوں​
 
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Norwegian said:
No. Pakistan is an independent sovereign nation, not a subservient colony to serve US interests in the region
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You are so damn ignorant and stupid that you cannot differentiate between self interest and independence especially when the 2 are corelated.

Norwegian said:
Pakistan's export to US and Europe has only increased during Imran Khan's tenure so not sure how he destroyed Pakistan's trade relations with the West? Bughaz Imrani
News from March 8 2022:

US, EU countries top importers of Pakistani goods in February

KARACHI: United States of America, United Kingdom, Spain, Germany, Netherlands, and Italy remained top importers of Pakistani goods in the month of February, the Ministry of Commerce data showed on...
www.thenews.com.pk
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Good that it increased and continuous increase in this trade is in our favour. But would it continue to increase with Imran's madness and lies against the US? Are you seriously that naïve that you cannot accept the fact that Imran's lies and ego is going to harm our relations with the US, if they are not already in decline?
 
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Mav3rick said:
But would it continue to increase with Imran's madness and lies against the US?
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What lies against the US? Are you talking about ciphergate? When was it investigated and its "lies" proven by any official investigation body?
 
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Norwegian said:
What lies against the US? Are you talking about ciphergate? When was it investigated and its "lies" proven by any official investigation body?
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The agencies and the establishment made it abundantly clear that there was no conspiracy, after their investigation. So Imran's continuous rhetoric about US conspiracy is not only false but also a big challenge to our relations with the West.

After September 11, 1999, I wanted the Talibaan to hand over OBL to the US; infact I wanted OBL to voluntarily surrender to the US authorities to safe Afghanistan and many hundreds of thousands of lives. In the same spirit, if I was in Imran's place, I would not beat that drum even if there was a conspiracy and would rather have handled it internally with backdoor diplomacy with the US to eradicate any mistrust because the stake of the country and my countrymen are supreme. On the other hand, this man wants to take down the entire country just to satisfy his own ego and for that he will tell any lie and repeat it as many times as he wants. Where is the difference between him and other 'traitors'?
 
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Mav3rick said:
The agencies and the establishment made it abundantly clear that there was no conspiracy, after their investigation.
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There was no official investigation of ciphergate. It was only their opinion that they found no conspiracy despite PTI govt's official demand for investigation
 
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Norwegian said:
There was no official investigation of ciphergate. It was only their opinion that they found no conspiracy despite PTI govt's official demand for investigation
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You have no faith in your establishment, which I can partly understand. But then let the sense prevail. What was so super about Imran Khan that the US was against him and not against the establishment which has been duping the US for years? Why would the US work against Imran Khan and for PDM?

And, at the end of the day, do we have more to gain with US as our ally or as a foe?
 
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Norwegian said:
Check US embassy's retweet against ex PM Imran Khan from his opposition leader. US embassy has been actively working against him since that senile president Biden got in office View attachment 865083
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US embassy in Islamabad apologises for sharing 'unauthorised' tweet against PM Imran

"The US embassy does not endorse the posting or retweeting of political messages," it says.
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No point in further arguments especially when I had explained that even if the US was displeased with Imran and Pakistan for some reason (swift Talibaan takeover in Afghanistan and the picture of the ISI chief enjoying tea in Kabul), we should rather have worked to mend bridges as even the US cannot completely abandon us instead of hyping up a simple comment by a mid-tier US representative.

Anyway, let Imran Khan win the elections, become PM and then sever ties with the US and then see where we end up and how much China, Russia and other countries end up helping us.
 
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Mav3rick said:
Anyway, let Imran Khan win the elections, become PM and then sever ties with the US and then see where we end up and how much China, Russia and other countries end up helping us.
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Imran Khan never wanted to sever ties with US! Where is all this lies coming from? He had for instance excellent relations with US president Donald Trump, Bughaz Imrani. Problems started when that senile Joe Biden became president and immediately started working against ex PM Imran Khan by colluding with establishment and PDM.
 
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