PML-N Political Desk

[Dr. Strangelove]

I have one question for Nawaz Sharif...
If Nawaz Sharif says that His first, second and third priority is Energy Crisis, Energy Crisisi and Energy Crisis . And if Nawaz Sharif is in favour of Iran Pakistan Gas Pipeline, Then Why His Government has not allocated any money in the budget, for Iran Pak gas pipeline ??? All other steps like preventing Electricity theft, Improving Efficiency, Solar Energy , Wind Energy, Bagasse etc will add only 1500 MW to 2500 MW. But the shortfall is 5000 MW.
Also the Electricity demand is increasing by 1000 MW every year.

he cant angry his masters in the house of saud

 

[Zarvan]

And How will they do this miracle that too only in 3 years ?

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

And How will they do this miracle that too only in 3 years ?

loadshedding key azab se satai hui awam ko dilasa dey rahein hain agley 5 saal tak yahi karein gay

 

[SBD-3]

And How will they do this miracle that too only in 3 years ?

Apparently yes..........

 

[Jango]

From 12000 to 26000 MW...I'll believe it when I see it.

How exactly does PML plan on accomplishing that? Dams aren't gonna be built that early...the conversion of oil to coal isn't gonna give you a boost of 14000 MW either in 3 years...

In the last 5 years, N league very cleverly created a monopoly on milk business and ruined Halla...

This time, they are after the poultry market! Kaam abhi say shuru ho gaya hai, as far as Battgram and Basham.

Kuch to sharam karo Sharif khandan...thori si hi.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

 

[Zarvan]

Apparently yes..........

I am saying please tell how would they do it

 

[SBD-3]

I am saying please tell how would they do it

I dont have the exact details but let me make a guess.
1-Total installed capacity at the end of 2010 was 20,728MV. The current production is hovering around 12000-12500 whcih means that around 8000MV of generation capacity is idle.
2- Out of this around 1500MV is underproduction of IPPs due to circular debt.
3-The rest by GENCOs is either because they are extremely inefficient or they are fuel based plants.
Now if the government converts these power plants into gas/coal combined cycle tech, GENCOs potential can be tapped within 3-4 years. So even if 80% of the potential is tapped, the electricity generation can go upto 19000MVs.
2- Add 1000MV of Chichu ke maliyan and Nandipur expected in one year. the figure goes upto 20000MV
3-900 MV from suger mils production ==> 20900MV
4-Around 1000MV from Nelam Jehlam==> 21900MV
5-Around 400MV from Chasnup III==> 22500MV
Add private sector's around 1000MV it takes the figures upto 23500MV
Now rest is around 3200 MV. This means one big dam's (my speculation Diamere Basha) completion would also have been eyed by PML-N.
So let me try to guess year by year capacity
by Dec 2013 12500+1500 (IPP's full potential)=14000MV
2014 14000+1000 (Nandipur& Chichu ke maliyan)+1000 (some restored Genco+Sugar Mills)=~15500-16000
2015 16000+500 (Nuke)+1000 (N-J)+~3000-3500 (Gencos)=~22000-22500MV
So effectively as early as 2014 to june 2015, the issue of loadsheeding is expected to be solved.

 

[SBD-3]

 

[Bratva]

I dont have the exact details but let me make a guess.
1-Total installed capacity at the end of 2010 was 20,728MV. The current production is hovering around 12000-12500 whcih means that around 8000MV of generation capacity is idle.
2- Out of this around 1500MV is underproduction of IPPs due to circular debt.
3-The rest by GENCOs is either because they are extremely inefficient or they are fuel based plants.
Now if the government converts these power plants into gas/coal combined cycle tech, GENCOs potential can be tapped within 3-4 years. So even if 80% of the potential is tapped, the electricity generation can go upto 19000MVs.
2- Add 1000MV of Chichu ke maliyan and Nandipur expected in one year. the figure goes upto 20000MV
3-900 MV from suger mils production ==> 20900MV
4-Around 1000MV from Nelam Jehlam==> 21900MV
5-Around 400MV from Chasnup III==> 22500MV
Add private sector's around 1000MV it takes the figures upto 23500MV
Now rest is around 3200 MV. This means one big dam's (my speculation Diamere Basha) completion would also have been eyed by PML-N.
So let me try to guess year by year capacity
by Dec 2013 12500+1500 (IPP's full potential)=14000MV
2014 14000+1000 (Nandipur& Chichu ke maliyan)+1000 (some restored Genco+Sugar Mills)=~15500-16000
2015 16000+500 (Nuke)+1000 (N-J)+~3000-3500 (Gencos)=~22000-22500MV
So effectively as early as 2014 to june 2015, the issue of loadsheeding is expected to be solved.

But how IPP will run on full capacity if "Khazana is khali" and you to have give 100' of billions of ruppee to them yearly? and there is no sign of economic recovery in 2-3 years. Either PML-N gonna print a crap load of money or the claim was another "Josh e Khitabt"

 

[SBD-3]

But how IPP will run on full capacity if "Khazana is khali" and you to have give 100' of billions of ruppee to them yearly? and there is no sign of economic recovery in 2-3 years. Either PML-N gonna print a crap load of money or the claim was another "Josh e Khitabt"

ECC meeting: Govt to seek paying off part of debt to IPPs – The Express Tribune
http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-13-23454-Rs300-billion-circular-debt-balloons-budget-deficit

 

[Jzaib]

see thori bohat tabdili tu ay gyi ha ...

 

[Bratva]

ECC meeting: Govt to seek paying off part of debt to IPPs – The Express Tribune
Rs300 billion circular debt balloons budget deficit - thenews.com.pk

I'm talking about your calculations particularly IPP to run on full capacity, please point out after repayment of debt, will IPP run on full capacity for how long?

 

[SBD-3]

I'm talking about your calculations particularly IPP to run on full capacity, please point out after repayment of debt, will IPP run on full capacity for how long?

Fairly simple I guess. As long as the circular debt doesn't accumulate. Why would an entrepreneur produce something for which he is not expected to get anything back? Ensure the payments to IPPs, they will keep producing on their maximum capacity

 

[Bratva]

Fairly simple I guess. As long as the circular debt doesn't accumulate. Why would an entrepreneur produce something for which he is not expected to get anything back? Ensure the payments to IPPs, they will keep producing on their maximum capacity

And where that payment gonna come? To run IPP at full capacity you need 200-300 Billion annually