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PM says Israel threat to region, implements state terrorism

ofcourse i thank your country for destroying those ASALA and Pkk camps, saving those 42 sailors also for the search and rescue team when earthquake hitted our country. Also most Turks dont know that in '74 Israeli military cargo planes dropped thousends of parachutes those were needed for the operation. i'm grateful for this because when we facing hard times everybody turned their backs It was Israel who assisted and stood by us.
 
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published Israel accepted it and he rejected.

Alas the union with Syria and Iran did not work. Erdogan betrayed Israel for nothing. :

Actually he did it for the political mileage, what I don’t understand is how things deteriorated so far so fast. For two countries that have a long history of friendship to throw that all away over one orchestrated conflict and the anger of two old men seems sad.
 
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CASTLEAD and Lowchair insult. During CASTLEAD millions of people protested demanding the goverment to stop the bloodshed Erdogan cannot ignore the whole country! After this DAVOS and then the LOWCHAIR... Mavimarmara.. etc etc!

I think current Israeli goverment made mistake!
 
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CASTLEAD and Lowchair insult. During CASTLEAD millions of people protested demanding the goverment to stop the bloodshed Erdogan cannot ignore the whole country! -
Is there something preventing Erdo - or yourself - from educating it?
 
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No one will take Erdogan seriously if he keeps parroting the same lines again and again.

The secret of capturing peoples attention is to be brief,precise and not repeating the same thing over and over.
 
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Israel has nuclear weapons since decades and never used it, even though many countries in the region have vowed to destroy Israel.
Shows that Israel considers the nukes as tools of self-preservation and defensive purpose only
 
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dear isreali friens;

you say many think. i'm analyzed that. and also i'm analayzed many inputs from israeli media. and i have one conclusion: you're thinking way is wrong. (probably sick)

we are one and compatible spicies in this planet. my title is "turk" but if i mary some israeli, arab, german, chinese, aborgin, nigerian, russian or brasilian women, i can easily have healthy babies. ultimately all humans are the same. (remember adam and eve origin) but of course every nation has a spesific advantages and disadvantages. like germen engineering, italian panic, french taste, japanese harmony and hardworking capability... and you have a mind. but you don't remember mind is a double edged sword. mind is a major human advantage but mind is not turn you a better spicies. maybe arrogant one.

you dealing arabs with your mind until now. but you're facing a new opponent now. you must be thinking about this.

i have many friends from every nation. one of my german friends say this to me: "you must not memmer of the europen community. because you're turkish people so much proud and national honor with your history. what can i proud of? german nation nearly 200 years old. in this history my nation give two world war the world. my nation commiting genoside. i can not capable proud of my nations history. and many european nations nearly same thing. for this fact we can easly live togather, asimilation in our selfs. but you're writing history nearly 2000 years. you're developing new civilization in this world. you can not asimilate in europe. because europe has many indipendent culture. not one of our countrys succesfully developed civilization. you must not member of the eu. but we must invent a new way to being togather."

i'm say all of this because all humans live the moment. and nearly all of humans think the moment like eternity. but every day comes different. i say we're are the first contry reconnize you. you say oyu are not first you're second one. i say only turkish people see you equal citizen. you say no no you give us second class citizeship. don't lough me, look at the history again. in ottoman empire you have jewish judges, and jewish laws rules all of your internal conflicts. if some jewish personal conflict some muslims or other. our court record full of the jewish law victories. if jewish one is right, right. nothing more. only you geve taxes more %5 percent. (named: öşür) like any other non-muslim peoples. (greeks, serbians, bulgarians, etc.) is this %5 more taxes reduce you a second class? i say sometihg about spain genoside. you say this is't genoside, this is expelled. look history again. before the expelled what are you facing with? every town every willage in spain you killed by spanish peoples, like muslims. only few of you reached the cost. and none of other counry accept you. ottoman fleet feeding the survivor jews long time in that coasts. many of our firigates lost for this humanitarian mission. because every food giving attempt is a fight. we fight spanish armada for you. after the nearly 6 months later spanish allowed expelled. nearly 500 full frigate teke this jewish survivors from spanish coasts. yes this is not genoside, this is expelled. becouse global media is not invented at this time...

pls you can not produce excuse. jewish people facing many many humillities, bad behaviors, killings in world history. (maybe our jewish sympathy because of that. because even in the week side we're always a right side. we choose the dead with victoms against the live with unfair culprits.) but as the victim himself, you must be better understanding. but you're not. yesterdeys victoms todays brutal killers, mass murderers. you have not right to do that.

when the beginnig israel, israel - arab conflicts continiue. turkey has not take side in this conflict. but your behavior turn us a side. not our administrators, or anything else. only "your behavior" we're not arabs. and you're cut tree yo're on. we can easily forgive everyting, except betrayal. look the past again, think the future again.

i say again: you will (not must will) pay. write that down and remember in time.
 
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i say again: you will (not must will) pay. write that down and remember in time.
As I said Israel accepted Palmer report conflusions, Erdogan rejected. This Turkish acticle is explaining better than me Israel's reasoning:

At the end of the day Israel decided not to apologize not because of Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman’s stubbornness or Benjamin Netanyahu’s difficult domestic situation and sliding popularity. To be sure, factors related to domestic politics and the need to save face played a certain role. Yet, the real reason behind Israeli behavior is very simple. Tel Aviv decided that the apology would not solve problems with Turkey. According to the strategic assessment in Israel, it seemed that the relationship with Turkey was broken beyond repair. An apology would have allowed Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan to declare victory without really changing the structural flaws that have emerged in the bilateral partnership since 2006. The fact that Turkey was not only demanding an apology and compensation but also an end to the embargo over Gaza is very telling for the Israelis. This showed that normalization with Turkey was almost impossible as long as the Turkish government indexed its relations with Tel Aviv not just to bilateral factors but also to the Palestinian question. In that sense, from the Israeli perspective, Turkey set the bar too high. As a result, the Netanyahu government came to the conclusion that, even in the aftermath of an apology that would have been quite costly in terms of Israeli domestic politics, there was no return to the golden age of Turkish-Israeli strategic relations in the 1990s.
Deciphering Israel

You should understand simple thing: geopolitics are beyond silly pride games. It was the strategic decission of Erdogan to ditch Israel in favor of union with Arabs (first Syria then Egypt). Everything else is just pretexts. Turkey stopped joint expercises with Israel in 2009 and in same year conducted for the frst time joint drill with Syria. All that happened a year before flotilla.
 
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Is there something preventing Erdo - or yourself - from educating it?

Compared to your people, i believe every other people is more educated and smarter.
Diploma's doesnt make one human you know!! 1 example that my people is better educated: If there's 1 bread my people cut it in 2 pieces and share it with you! On the other hand if there's 60 breads American wants them all for himself not share with others!! I ask you which one is more educated?
 
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You should understand simple thing: geopolitics are beyond silly pride games. It was the strategic decission of Erdogan to ditch Israel in favor of union with Arabs (first Syria then Egypt). Everything else is just pretexts. Turkey stopped joint expercises with Israel in 2009 and in same year conducted for the frst time joint drill with Syria. All that happened a year before flotilla

The military exercises only stopped AFTER Israel withdraw from the Syrian peace process, and then started the bombing of GAZA.

its not about pride! it is about justice! They insulted our ambassador, despised our country, killed our people. Dont accuse us of playing silly proud and honour games when we react! Perhaps your goverment should stop playing the bully, the spoiled child! And start acting like real state!

And i don't even like Erdogan they are all too much talk! When your soldier and ships were surrounding and preparing to board the MARMARA. We expected him to order the Konya airbase and send the F-16s in they would be in the scene in less than a half an hour! That would be a more suitable response! But he only talked and embarrased our countries military reputation!
 
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Zulkarneyn;2168899]Long live Israel-Turkey friendship!:tongue:

One thing i don't understand is why Erdogan keeps defending Arabs.

To say all ARABS is not smart of you, ofcourse we should have good ties and trade with Arabs, however i really dont like the idea of defending the PALESTINIANS! Really you have UAE, SAUDI KUWAIT these are all extremly rich arabs, Why esspecially defend the PALESTINIANS? I hate those Mahmoud Abbas and the other they are communists no muslim anyway! Their flaq is the flaq of Sharrif Hussian represented the Arab revolt against Ottomans.. No different than Abdullah Ocalan and PKK flaq of the Kurds today! And our idiots defending those people.. I think it is a serious stupidity to do this.. Turks dont know their own history, who's our friend or foe! They automatically choose for the Palestinians because they are suffering! Ofcourse we should stand up for GAZA nobody can kill whole families like that, but Erdogan is acting like an activist he should quite playing Palestinian activist and act as a PM!
 
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I sincerely hope Iran and Turkey develop their nuclear arsenals as soon as possible.

They will not be safe until they have them.
 
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I sincerely hope Iran and Turkey develop their nuclear arsenals as soon as possible.

They will not be safe until they have them.

so would be the syrians, armenians, greeks, azeris etc etc!

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scerew what Edgoran says, hes been saying it past couple of weeks...life moves on, long live Israel. :cheers:
 
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