PM okays lifting of 32% flour subsidy

[doorstar]

India and China corrected course by opening their economies to the outside. I think Pakistan is already open for outside investment in most sectors. Correct me if this is not correct.

I once invested, got swindled suffered losses. went to England to find/beg/borrow more money leaving my house with a chowkidar. came back to Pakistan after having been away for 6 months to discover that I had sold my house before leaving for England.

 

[AgnosticIndian]

in 1948, the UK population was 49.4 million, 70 years later the population stands at an estimated 68.3 million

in 1947 West Pakistan population was 33 million including 7.92 million hindus and sikhs most of them left at Partition. some 70 years later the population stands at an estimated 220 million

so who is responsible for the shortages, the breeders over the past 7 decades or or the current government?

I don't like this stuff. population explosion is not the result of people's choices: it has everything to do with demographic transitions and industrialisation. England industalised early and therefore stabilised, Pakistan is going through the process. this isn't to say that the population can't be artificially controlled (India, China, Bangladesh have done a great job), but simply that it's a macro phenomenon and by itself cannot be held responsible for the poverty of the people.
it's a dangerous and wrong thing to say that the people themselves are responsible for not having access to food. this idea, Malthusianism, has lead to tremendous harm. see the top comment on this reddit thread:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/pqjz96

it explains the Irish famine, Malthusianism, and the prejudice of British against India/some Hindu groups.

 

[doorstar]

this isn't to say that the population can't be artificially controlled (India, China, Bangladesh have done a great job)

india turning 340 million in to 1.4 billion, most of whom are half starved is indeed a "great" achievement, don't get me started on Bangladesh "achievements" or I'll get banned going against the established PDF narrative.

please never include China in the same sentence, none of you are in their league

 

[Maula Jatt]

in 1948, the UK population was 49.4 million, 70 years later the population stands at an estimated 68.3 million

in 1947 West Pakistan population was 33 million including 7.92 million hindus and sikhs most of them left at Partition. some 70 years later the population stands at an estimated 220 million

so who is responsible for the shortages, the breeders over the past 7 decades or or the current government?

100-150 years ago Pakistan was semi-desert
British built canals (later Ayub's irrigation reforms, green revolution, canals) which resulted in population explosion, mass migration

So tbvh it was natural, we can still with 1-2$ billion dollars make canals in parts of Balochistan which can fertilize thier lands like they did with semi- desert parts of Punjab and by SC standards it's still not super crazy

So I don't think we lost our ability to feed people, we can easily take it to 300 to 400 million people (I don't want it to go that high and I 100% want to discourage it) without breaking a sweat IF agriculture sector is decently handled and invested in

Only nation that comes close to this extreme case like ours is Nigeria (I don't remember but I think they did something similar)

And issue with both countries is Thier infrastructure never caught up with the demand

It wasn't because they lacked the ability, it's just that population was growing very fast

Only major issue I see is
A- ofcourse it's hard to manage such rapid for any country, even if it theoretically has all the resources to handle it
B- quality of life really goes down, our previous generations grew up in quiet, suburban, green, with vast areas

Not the same can be said of this generation, so quality of life is decreasing
Partly economics but also overpopulation (due to our infrastructure not catching up)

 

[doorstar]

100-150 years ago Pakistan was semi-desert
British built canals which resulted in population explosion, mass migration

So tbvh it was natural, we can still with 1-2$ billion dollars make canals in parts of Balochistan which can fertilize thier lands like they did with semi- desert parts of Punjab and by SC standards it's still not super crazy

So I don't think we lost our ability to feed people, we can easily take it to 300 to 400 million people (I don't want it to go that high and I 100% want to discourage it) without breaking a sweat IF agriculture sector is decently handled and invested in

Only nation that comes close to this extreme case like ours is Nigeria (I don't remember but I think they did something similar)

And issue with both countries is Thier infrastructure never caught up with the demand

It wasn't because they lacked the ability, it's just that population was growing very fast

Only major issue I see is
A- ofcourse it's hard to manage such rapid for any country, even if it theoretically has all the resources to handle it
B- quality of life really goes down, our previous generations grew up in quiet, suburban, green, with vast areas

Not the same can be said of this generation, so quality of life is decreasing
Partly economics but also overpopulation (due to our infrastructure not catching up)

there is also this problem that breed breed and breed some more to increase the ummat, no need to do anything else because whomsoever is born brings his rizq with him/her. it's predestined preordained. one mullah once told me that anyone who fears hunger and does family planning is committing shirk and kufr, rozi dainay wala Allah hai.

 

[Pak Nationalist]

Why doesnt govt simply print notes
Why do poor have to suffer

Where is my belovd nawaz shatif. He can print notes and save us..

As much as I despise him, why do we have to pull him into this? Every discussion on the failings of the incumbents becomes a critique thread for others. When will people begin holding the current govt accountable for its failings? Why do our oppositions not do homework while they are out of power to prepare themselves vis a vis challenge to the economy so they could go about addressing these as soon as they come into government?

 

[Maula Jatt]

As much as I despise him, why do we have to pull him into this? Every discussion on the failings of the incumbents becomes a critique thread for others. When will people begin holding the current govt accountable for its failings? Why do our oppositions not do homework while they are out of power to prepare themselves vis a vis challenge to the economy so they could go about addressing these as soon as they come into government?

Cause they're working on it and it's having some impact
While others didn't and they should be criticized for it so people know what kind of pos were they

there is also this problem that breed breed and breed some more to increase the ummat, no need to do anything else because whomsoever is born brings his rizq with him/her. it's predestined preordained. one mullah once told me that anyone who fears hunger and does family planning is commuting shirk and kufr, rozi dainay wala Allah hai.

Ch type molvis need frequent software updates
We should demand thier software update through SM, build pressure
And everyone is welcome to initiate these updates, police, CTD, provincial gov, fed gov, high level crazies can be handled by Maarkhors

And as a society shame these rabbits, make movies like bol where they say "khilla nahi sakte toh peda Kyu large ho", free birth control pills available everywhere

We probably can feed them if want to but breeders ruin our quality of life, pressure on infrastructure

Just think about it 100 years ago our average height was around 5'9 now it's 5'8 (check data I am not sure but I read it somewhere so don't take my word for it) i normal countries it should have reached around 5'11 by now

But due to burden on current infrastructure it's impacting our natural heights

 

[doorstar]

As much as I despise him, why do we have to pull him into this? Every discussion on the failings of the incumbents becomes a critique thread for others. When will people begin holding the current govt accountable for its failings? Why do our oppositions not do homework while they are out of power to prepare themselves vis a vis challenge to the economy so they could go about addressing these as soon as they come into government?

40 years worth of looting can be fixed in 3 years? konsi geedhar singhi hai wo tumharay paas humko bi do

 

[AgnosticIndian]

please never include China in the same sentence, none of you are in their league

I'm not saying that all have some equally good, simply that these countries did something. from 550 million to 1.4 billion for China, from 380 million to 1.3 billion people for India, divergence only increasing, so obviously China with OCP is leagues ahead.
but Bangladesh and Pakistan had roughly equal population during 1947-191 (Bangladesh was slightly ahead). now Pakistan has 50 million+, so Bangladesh has done work too, at least in comparison to Pakistan.

India: 376 to 1400 = 3.72×
Bangladesh: 41 to 166 =4.04×
Pakistan: 40 to 226 =5.65×
China: 546 to 1400 = 2.56×

 

[doorstar]

India: 376 to 1400 = 3.72×
Bangladesh: 41 to 166 =4.04×
Pakistan: 40 to 226 =5.65×
China: 546 to 1400 = 2.56×

I tried to explain about Pakistan @ https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pm-okays-lifting-of-32-flour-subsidy.723343/post-13342422

BTW I blame india for that too. if you can't beat them, join them then corrupt them destroy from within.

 

[Maula Jatt]

I tried to explain about Pakistan @ https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pm-okays-lifting-of-32-flour-subsidy.723343/post-13342422

Also unfair to compare Pakistan with rest of the SC as it was an underpopulated region and from that it went to where we are
So growth was naturally going to be high- but this is the time to start breaking (or 2000s was the time but still its not to bad) (I feel gov still does not want to break- my conspiracy theory...)

I tried to explain about Pakistan @ https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pm-okays-lifting-of-32-flour-subsidy.723343/post-13342422

BTW I blame india for that too. if you can't beat them, join them then corrupt them destroy from within.

lol what do you mean?

 

[doorstar]

Also unfair to compare Pakistan with rest of the SC as it was an underpopulated region and from that it went to where we are
So growth was naturally going to be high- but this is the time to start breaking (or 2000s was the time but still its not to bad) (I feel gov still does not want to break- my conspiracy theory...)

lol what do you mean?

ask a friendly Mod or thinktank to open a PM between us two and I shall tell you. here I'll get an instant ban for insulting some 3 mazhahib originating from bharat

 

[Maula Jatt]

ask a friendly Mod or thinktank to open a PM between us two and I shall tell you. here I'll get an instant ban for insulting some 3 mazhahib originating from bharat

nah now I got what you mean... lol
I don't know friendly, I am getting my posts deleted and getting negative ratings...
all of em seem pissed atm haha, I'll try to post soft ball stuff from now on

 

[ziaulislam]

As much as I despise him, why do we have to pull him into this? Every discussion on the failings of the incumbents becomes a critique thread for others. When will people begin holding the current govt accountable for its failings? Why do our oppositions not do homework while they are out of power to prepare themselves vis a vis challenge to the economy so they could go about addressing these as soon as they come into government?

Because every critque bases nawaz sharif as sucess story
Instead of acknowledging that imran is taking a long time to clean shit..we are saying he created the shit
Which isnt true..he is cleaning someone else shit

 

[Crimson Blue]

May 6, 2022

https://twitter.com/x/status/1522542828575985664