PM Narendra Modi to launch India's biggest labour overhaul in decades

[Guynextdoor2]

I want Unions to remain in factories, but I want limitations.

Guynextdoor, please think things through - 30% membership means that there will always be 3 unions in every factory - generally that means that the small time unions (the violent kind) and the kind that starts most 'bandhs' will get wiped out.
The only 3 unions that will remain will be the major ones aligned to Congress, BJP and the Left which are relatively more responsible.

Guynextdoor, here comes the difference between your thought process and mine.

I don't believe that every decision that GoI takes is for self benefit. Because any decision whatsoever regardless of how small it is will have some angle in which you can say BJP/a/b/c party will benefit. I will give them the benefit of doubt till proven that they acted with malafide intent.

I want limits on Unionization and no competitive unionization politics.

I am firmly in favour of these changes. I can only say I hope you would leave political views aside and look at cases on their own merit.


I agree, but I disagree that GoI needs to do this particular reform itself. GoI should focus on reforms that cannot be left to the states - like GST & DTC.

GoI should come out with a model draft and leave it entirely to the States to do it and abrogate the central labour laws.
Let each state decide on its own what it wants.
You can bet that within 10 years each state would have changed it to nearly the same as the model draft.

There will be no 3 unions in a factory. That's because any other union that's trying to form inside will always be de-recognized because they're too small. It's very much like saying a won't allow a party to participate in elections because they're 'too small'. The big unions will not represent people's interests once they know that they're comfy and their dominance will not be challenged. So workers will not get any representation on legitimate issues.
Plus, what's gonna happen is that like today only one union majorly represets a factory, so they'll become kings. The other 2 you claim will never rise because there is no other recognized union and so union activities cannot be carried out.

And let me also tell you-- union problems are irrational problematic only in Bengal and Kerala. Rest of the country there has been a generally workable atmosphere. All out strikes in places like the Maruti plant were legitimate. The management really did f**k things up there.

 

[Nicky G]

I agree, but I disagree that GoI needs to do this particular reform itself. GoI should focus on reforms that cannot be left to the states - like GST & DTC.

GoI should come out with a model draft and leave it entirely to the States to do it and abrogate the central labour laws.
Let each state decide on its own what it wants.
You can bet that within 10 years each state would have changed it to nearly the same as the model draft.

You cannot leave it entirely to the states. In US, minimum wage is mandated federally, individual states can mark that up as they wish to.

Similarly, you need to have a set of minimal central laws and each state can add on top it as required.

 

[tsinga]

There will be no 3 unions in a factory. That's because any other union that's trying to form inside will always be de-recognized because they're too small. It's very much like saying a won't allow a party to participate in elections because they're 'too small'. The big unions will not represent people's interests once they know that they're comfy and their dominance will not be challenged. So workers will not get any representation on legitimate issues.
Plus, what's gonna happen is that like today only one union majorly represets a factory, so they'll become kings. The other 2 you claim will never rise because there is no other recognized union and so union activities cannot be carried out.

And let me also tell you-- union problems are irrational problematic only in Bengal and Kerala. Rest of the country there has been a generally workable atmosphere. All out strikes in places like the Maruti plant were legitimate. The management really did f**k things up there.

Okay, I see the validity of your first paragraph.
Let us wait and see the final draft then before making more points.

I disagree entirely with your second paragraph. Go and meet businessmen and see how tough labour laws are across the country. In Bengal and Kerala things are particularly worse, but that does not mean things are good for the rest of the India.

Secondly, the maruti workers killed a manager in the factory! I don't know how you feel that is acceptable.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Okay, I see the validity of your first paragraph.
Let us wait and see the final draft then before making more points.

I disagree entirely with your second paragraph. Go and meet businessmen and see how tough labour laws are across the country. In Bengal and Kerala things are particularly worse, but that does not mean things are good for the rest of the India.

Secondly, the maruti workers killed a manager in the factory! I don't know how you feel that is acceptable.

That's after the strike action began. To declare all their demands as illiegitimate because of a few unruly elements is unfair. Why don't you work an 8 hour shift with two 7 minute breaks gven for 'tea toilet etc.' and see how diffcult it is.

 

[tsinga]

That's after the strike action began. To declare all their demands as illiegitimate because of a few unruly elements is unfair. Why don't you work an 8 hour shift with two 7 minute breaks gven for 'tea toilet etc.' and see how diffcult it is.

I am sorry but I don't believe in that.

If they found the working conditions unbearable they always have the option to quit - no one, I repeat, no one is forcing them to work at Maruti.

 

[East or West India Best]

Ban formation of unions. They are unproductive and promote indolence, disobedience, and corruption.

 

[MohitV]

we need effective labour laws ......the ones we see in countries like USA or EU