PM Imran sees no hope for Kashmir during Modi govt

[Raj-Hindustani]

He should have no hope with any future govt in India on this now. In India, no matter which govt comes in power, there's no scope to open talks now on Kashmir. India's position is clear from Congress era now, Kashmir is Integral part of India and I don't think that will change now.

Before the indian election 2019, he was telling that if modi will come again then it wil good for india-pakistan relationship...

Don't know, what Pakistan had achieved during the congress govt from 2004 to 2014..

They should now accept and tell to Pakistani friends that no hope from any Indian govt.

Indians are very clear on Kashmir that its our internal matter and no one can take way from us... If want then come and take it...

CAA and NRC, only few people are protecting but if any Indian govt even think to compromise on Kashmir then within a month, they will through out from the country....

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Pakistan should just do the right thing and support the right cause of kashmir. All this nonsense of not possible with modi, possible with BJP, no no possible with strong indian leadership means Imran does not have conviction himself. But is at the charity and mercy of Indian politics.

The mantra of peace is now over, and neither BJP nor Congress are interested in going backwards from 370.

It is time to prepare for war, Pakistan should get ready. We should expand our opportunities and fortify with our allies. It will be a difficult struggle, but Kashmiris' lives are worth the sacrifices.

It is only when Pakistan is willing to put everything on the line, that India will get caught totally off guard and unable to fully commit to the sacrifices necessary.

 

[TNT]

Most Indians would agree with the idea of making LOC as the international border if it means an end to hostilities with Pakistan. This is true despite the current administration’s public stand. Indians as a whole think of Kashmir as just another state and are not emotionally vested in its integrity. In fact, without the militancy Indians would forget this province (like is the case with the north east).

Can Pakistan’s public accept Indian Kashmir as an Indian territory without dispute? I don’t see that happening.

Not at the moment. But as i said it would require extensive dialogue and trust building measures. If Pakistanis see kashmiri muslims happy and being treated nicely and feel they dnt want to join Pakistan then maybe after dialogues and trust building measures, Pakistanis might accept LOC as IB. But we need alot of effort to arrive at that decision and india is not even ready to start that effort.
I think india finds current situation much more feasible than a solved Kashmir issue. How else would they win elections if there is no issues left with Pakistan?? Modi won easy majority only coz of tension with Pakistan. Its for the indian deep state to think smartly and realize such hostility can win elections but can also trigger a war which will devastate indian economy.

 

[Chanakyaa]

Well, the problem is both sides believe that they can have the whole pie in future, thereby ruining the present.

Dont mind their words, India doesnt want AJK/Azad Kashmir.
There was a reason why India didnt cross LOC in 99.

With 370.gone, Kashmir is a closed.chapter fr.us. its resolved.

All the rants you hear from.Modi or BJP is a part of "Offensive Defence".

 

[BATMAN]

Only a year ago, Iran Khan had tons of confidence in talks over Kashmir issue?

 

[Chanakyaa]

Only a year ago, Iran Khan had tons of confidence in talks over Kashmir issue?

Modi and Imran are doing exactly the SAME.

Keep the border hot, talk about India/Pak and you are free from.local issues of economy and jobs.

 

[Wood]

Not at the moment. But as i said it would require extensive dialogue and trust building measures. If Pakistanis see kashmiri muslims happy and being treated nicely and feel they dnt want to join Pakistan then maybe after dialogues and trust building measures, Pakistanis might accept LOC as IB. But we need alot of effort to arrive at that decision and india is not even ready to start that effort.
I think india finds current situation much more feasible than a solved Kashmir issue. How else would they win elections if there is no issues left with Pakistan?? Modi won easy majority only coz of tension with Pakistan. Its for the indian deep state to think smartly and realize such hostility can win elections but can also trigger a war which will devastate indian economy.

Indian side expects Pakistan to stop the moral, monetary and military support to Kashmir insurgency to build trust. I suppose Pakistan expects India to demilitarize Kashmir. Who will make the first move? The last couple of times both parties made a public attempt to discuss about this, Kargil and Mumbai happened. Now India has receded into its shell because of the previous outcomes. Most Indians view the past as a betrayal from Pakistan and expect Pakistan to take the first step now. You may disagree with this demand, but that is just how things are perceived on the Indian side.

Secondly, many Pakistanis seem to think that Modi was elected because of BJP’s anti Pakistan rhetoric. This is only partially true at the very best. The true strength of the religious conservative movement in Indian politics is the fear among the majority Hindu population ( from Hindi belt ) that they are being demographically replaced by Muslims and Christians. This is similar to the white supremacy movement in the states that got trump elected. Pakistan is just one of the Lightning rods that can exploited by the politicians on the right from to time. Even without the Pakistani boogeymen, be assured that there are a number of other ammunition for the right to milk its vote bank.

 

[TNT]

Indian side expects Pakistan to stop the moral, monetary and military support to Kashmir insurgency to build trust. I suppose Pakistan expects India to demilitarize Kashmir. Who will make the first move? The last couple of times both parties made a public attempt to discuss about this, Kargil and Mumbai happened. Now India has receded into its shell because of the previous outcomes. Most Indians view the past as a betrayal from Pakistan and expect Pakistan to take the first step now. You may disagree with this demand, but that is just how things are perceived on the Indian side.

Secondly, many Pakistanis seem to think that Modi was elected because of BJP’s anti Pakistan rhetoric. This is only partially true at the very best. The true strength of the religious conservative movement in Indian politics is the fear among the majority Hindu population ( from Hindi belt ) that they are being demographically replaced by Muslims and Christians. This is similar to the white supremacy movement in the states that got trump elected. Pakistan is just one of the Lightning rods that can exploited by the politicians on the right from to time. Even without the Pakistani boogeymen, be assured that there are a number of other ammunition for the right to milk its vote bank.

The thing is, its hard to start negotiations with pre conditions and no mechanism to check those conditions if even agreed. What u said is what india perceives it but indians should be smart enough to know there are forces in both countries opposing any settlement and would use derailing tactics. Pakistan have offered talks many times, there were never pre conditions in past and even if india feels betrayed by kargil, it should at least start a dialogue. Having a new government in Pakistan that have come to power first time was good opportunity for india to normalize relations, they could argue its a new govt and should at least sit n talk and see whats what but instead india acted like a teenager.
I do agree conservatives have their bunch of stuff to attract votes but one thing is true and that is Pakistan boogyman does work and last election it was vehemently used. In contrast in Pakistan, india bashing cannot get u any votes and ud have to address issues. Also indian media is much more hostile to Pakistan than Pakistan media to india. This gives a perception that indian state wants to increase hatred and closing doors of future rapprochement. India considers itself a big power so shouldn't it also act like one?

 

[Wood]

The thing is, its hard to start negotiations with pre conditions and no mechanism to check those conditions if even agreed. What u said is what india perceives it but indians should be smart enough to know there are forces in both countries opposing any settlement and would use derailing tactics. Pakistan have offered talks many times, there were never pre conditions in past and even if india feels betrayed by kargil, it should at least start a dialogue. Having a new government in Pakistan that have come to power first time was good opportunity for india to normalize relations, they could argue its a new govt and should at least sit n talk and see whats what but instead india acted like a teenager.
I do agree conservatives have their bunch of stuff to attract votes but one thing is true and that is Pakistan boogyman does work and last election it was vehemently used. In contrast in Pakistan, india bashing cannot get u any votes and ud have to address issues. Also indian media is much more hostile to Pakistan than Pakistan media to india. This gives a perception that indian state wants to increase hatred and closing doors of future rapprochement. India considers itself a big power so shouldn't it also act like one?

Most urban Indians are convinced that India is a great power. The sheer population size and its projected consumer market from the western media has unintentionally convinced the people so. But in reality, India is only relevant to small South Asian countries. If India was truly a great power, then Pakistan would itself be mellow in its foreign policy with respect to India. So do not expect India to act like a big power, because it is not there yet. If the Indian economy ever actually becomes as big as what the projections say, then things can be expected to change naturally.

 

[TNT]

Most urban Indians are convinced that India is a great power. The sheer population size and its projected consumer market from the western media has unintentionally convinced the people so. But in reality, India is only relevant to small South Asian countries. If India was truly a great power, then Pakistan would itself be mellow in its foreign policy with respect to India. So do not expect India to act like a big power, because it is not there yet. If the Indian economy ever actually becomes as big as what the projections say, then things can be expected to change naturally.

Yes but it still is a major power. Bigger economy, land mass and population than Pakistan. The indian govt and ppl also see itself bigger and powerful than Pakistan atleast but fail to act big. Anyways my point is, preconditions to negotiations never work and india knows this well too, its just an excuse to avoid negotiations.
I feel india wants to avoid negotiations with Pakistan and use other pressure tactics combined with military tactics to punish Pakistan. It did work to some extent and Pakistan kept offering negotiations but i feel modi went too much and as a result that pressure is no more. From FATF to situation in Afghanistan, Pakistan seems in control, the military option also didn't work. Now india even if interested cannot come to negotiations as it will weaken its position. This is the reason i hate hawks and conservative populist right winger govts. They dont forsee things and take rash decisions for timely gains and later the repercussions are severe. Only time will tell what damage CAA and NRC have done to india.

 

[El Sidd]

I believe the Prime Minister should resign as he does not want to be PM of a country in midst of War.

Let someone else take over Pakistan for war since aman ki faakhta PM cannot hurt a fly

 

[StormBreaker]

I believe the Prime Minister should resign as he does not want to be PM of a country in midst of War.

Let someone else take over Pakistan for war since aman ki faakhta PM cannot hurt a fly

How about we conduct an election on PDF.

Cast your vote from the listed candidates

A :

B : (BTW, Ye ungli se kuch batana chahraha hai)

C :

D :

 

[El Sidd]

How about we conduct an election on PDF.

Cast your vote from the listed candidates

A :

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B : (BTW, Ye ungli se kuch batana chahraha hai)

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C & D all the time and every time

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Why would India want to talk with the military installed dummy?

India annexed Kashmir, Pakistan refused to invade Kashmir so PM Khan says he's complaining all over the world.

 

[StormBreaker]

Why would India want to talk with the military installed dummy?

India annexed Kashmir, Pakistan refused to invade Kashmir so PM Khan says he's complaining all over the world.

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