PM Imran Khan: Spiritualism to be made Super Science

[R Wing]

Studying spirituality as a science is tricky because the spiritual and the supernatural, by definition, are much easier to experience (through meditation, prayer, etc.) than to measure. And to me, that's their beauty. They require faith.

The scientific world is dominated (for better or for worse) by an obsessive assumption of a 'materialistic' universe. "Materialistic," in this case, refers to measurable phenomenon that can be recreated in lab settings to verify their existence. Religion, obviously, doesn't really fit well into that. As a believing Muslim, I recognize this.

More than "research," the essence of spirituality needs to be taught to kids in school (part of the syllabus), so they don't live superficial and shallow lives dictated by neo-liberal capitalism, greed and selfishness (or, dare I say, Wahabbi influences.)

 

[El Sidd]

I have a feeling this will end up in one of those crazy Harun Yahya cults.

They be like we must calculate the resonance frequency of the heart during the dam and durood and when shamans go into trance like state.

Gheez i will be banned here again

 

[Verve]

Stupid people with stupid comments

Look around you - current science fraternity is producing atheists in masses - muslims turning atheists. That obviously is of no concern to you lot making stupid comments.

I have a feeling this will end up in one of those crazy Harun Yahya cults.

They be like we must calculate the resonance frequency of the heart during the dam and durood and when shamans go into trance like state.

Gheez i will be banned here again

Maybe your prefer the current science that completely disregards the existence of Allah?

 

[El Sidd]

Maybe your prefer the current science that completely disregards the existence of Allah?

I am not insecure about existence of my Lord.

Why don't you go and burn all the books in Baghdad?

 

[Verve]

I am not insecure about existence of my Lord.

Why don't you go and burn all the books in Baghdad?

Our education system should be developed in light of the guidance in the Quran, and that includes sciences.

You may not be insecure but you are surely ignorant of the mass production of agnostics and atheists from the current education system.

 

[Khafee]

Stupid people with stupid comments

Look around you - current science fraternity is producing atheists in masses - muslims turning atheists. That obviously is of no concern to you lot making stupid comments.



Maybe your prefer the current science that completely disregards the existence of Allah?

Bhai calm down, he is the king of sarcasm. His heart is in the right place, and sometimes his comments can be quite awakening.

 

[Devil Soul]

PM Imran, Bushra Bibi behind idea of Al-Qadir University: Firdous


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ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Imran Khan and the First Lady Bushra Bibi gave the idea of establishing Al-Qadir University, Dr Firdous Ashiq Awan said Monday.

In a statement published on Radio Pakistan, the SAPM said the prime minister and his wife have played an important role in materializing this idea.


Spiritualism to be made super science: PM


She said the Al-Qadir University will play a historical role in teaching modern scientific knowledge and will aware the younger generation about the life of the holy Prophet (PBUH).

PM Imran Khan Sunday broke ground for the Al-Qadir University, which he said would create future leaders to counter Islamophobia and protect ideology of Pakistan.

Addressing the ground-breaking ceremony, the prime minister said the university would teach the students the principles of State of Madina and Pakistan’s ideology as envisioned by Allama Muhammad Iqbal and Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah.

The prime minister said besides teaching contemporary sciences like artificial intelligence and technology, the main focus of the university would be on research on Sufism and its connection with Islam.

“We have to groom our youth as leaders…We will create scholars, who will respond to the anti-Islam tirade started after 9/11,” the prime minister remarked.

He said the university had been named after Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jilani, the great Sufi, who had also established link between Islam and spirituality.
https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/4...bi-behind-idea-of-al-qadir-university-firdous

 

[SIPRA]

Maybe your prefer the current science that completely disregards the existence of Allah?

I beg to disagree with you. "Science" neither regards, nor disregards, the existence of Allah, or in general, an Ultimate Reality. It simply doesn't enter into this realm, since it is fundamentally far beyond its scope and limits.

 

[El Sidd]

Our education system should be developed in light of the guidance in the Quran, and that includes sciences.

You may not be insecure but you are surely ignorant of the mass production of agnostics and atheists from the current education system.

What do you make of governments recent ploy to stoke sectarian tensions for their political agenda? What part of Quran teaches that?

I can understand that ploys like these are good at garnering support like pre election tour of the Saints but educational reforms as promised by the government are not acceptable specially when the government sees it as a money making scheme.

 

[Devil Soul]

The idea of research on Sufism and its connection with Islam is great, but why establish a Uni to mainly focus on that, this should have been done by having a complete dept within a university.........I guess we soon be producing Sufi's & Peers thru this Uni

 

[Verve]

Bhai calm down, he is the king of sarcasm. His heart is in the right place, and sometimes his comments can be quite awakening.

Good with bad - but he loves derailing and this type of criticism negatively influences others who are exploring and searching. His heart may be in the right place but he should use his abilities to positively influence others instead of the approach adopted.

I beg to disagree with you. "Science" neither regards, nor disregards, the existence of Allah, or in general, an Ultimate Reality. It simply doesn't enter into this realm, since it is fundamentally far beyond its scope and limits.

Scope/limit for seeking all knowledge is set in The Holy Quran.

What do you make of governments recent ploy to stoke sectarian tensions for their political agenda? What part of Quran teaches that?

I can understand that ploys like these are good at garnering support like pre election tour of the Saints but educational reforms as promised by the government are not acceptable specially when the government sees it as a money making scheme.

This institute is privately funded, nothing to do with the government.

As for education reforms, undo the 18th Amendment please for the government first please which the government doesn't have enough numbers to undo.

 

[SIPRA]

Scope for seeking all knowledge is set in The Holy Quran.

Kindly, read my comment, again, which is not about the scope of the Holy Quran, rightly pointed about by you; but about the scope of the "Science", which excludes the search into realm of an Ultimate Reality.

 

[Verve]

Kindly, read my comment, again, which is not about the scope of the Holy Quran, rightly pointed about by you; but about the scope of the "Science", which excludes the search into realm of an Ultimate Reality.

Is science not knowledge? Why should exclusion apply to science specifically?

May I ask what is your understanding of the scope/limit set on seeking knowledge in the Quran?

Seeking knowledge without Ultimate Reality being the central authority ...

 

[El Sidd]

This institute is privately funded, nothing to do with the government.

As for education reforms, undo the 18th Amendment please for the government first please which the government doesn't have enough numbers to undo.

I thought the government wanted uniform measures of education and not make it a private business as it already is but i guess only critics of IK can be wrong

 

[Verve]

I thought the government wanted uniform measures of education and not make it a private business as it already is but i guess only critics of IK can be wrong

Again you are intentionally derailing.

Uniform Measure of Education applies to first 18 years of education (school + college). With 18th Amendment in place, it is not possible. Maybe you also missed the bit of religious madrassahs being reformed too?

Also, please get the loot returned so that government can nationalise all private education institutions.